A lot of people who know Amorim's football better than me have said it will be ideal for Hojlund, and his underwhelming first season was at least as much about the general dysfunction of the team / failure to play to his strengths as it was Hojlund's slow settling in. I think we could do with depth of options at number 9 but he's one of the players I'm least concerned about thriving under the new regime.
Rashford clearly has work to do if he wants to be a significant part of the team in the future. I did think he looked a bit more comfortable behind Hojlund than as the 9 himself.
I heartily second your comments on Mazraoui. He's such a good footballer: really intelligent reading of space, imaginative problem solving, and technically so accomplished. Quite comfortably our best player this season so far, whichever manager and formation he plays in, and whichever position he has been asked to play. If he stays injury free, he's going to be one of our best buys in a long time.
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
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doesnt that only count if you make a genuine effort to play the ball. The keeper was clearly playing Rasmus
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
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doesnt that only count if you make a genuine effort to play the ball. The keeper was clearly playing Rasmus
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Oh you could be right.
Amorim must've been impressed by his players' intricate passing game in the build-up to the Hojlund golazo.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
yeh...its going to take INEOS at least a couple of summer windows of ins and outs to recruit the correct personal to play the way he/they wants United to ideally.
Probably should be looking to replace shaw, can’t be relied on
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
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Your question was addressed two posts further up.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
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Yeh I think that the wide areas are going to be the priority. I expect that a LB and a no.10 will be his priority signings, but we will see.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
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I won't hold my breath on Antony, but certainly Malacia deserves a bit more time as it was his first game back. I do worry if Dalot has that football intelligence that Amorim craves in his players. But time will tell and very early to rule anything out.
The same goes for Hojlund, in terms of we will know by, or Amorim will at least, early into next year if Hojlund can be the complete article for him - that doesn't mean he will be by then, but Amorim will get a real feel one way or the other and whether he needs a different option brought in.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 17 minutes ago
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
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The post is more about Amorim and has system than last night's game.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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Which areas do you think that lacks in?
Garnacho and Rashford are going to struggle if we play two number 10's. It's just not their game.
In second half last night he tweaked it and allowed Garnacho to play on the wing a bit more and it definitely improved us even if he wastes the chances he got.
Don't think playing two narrow tens with the current options we have at wingback is going to work at all. That will obviously be fixed next summer though.
I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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I don't know how any of us could be equipped to draw this conclusion after one season joining a much tougher league as a very young and raw player, coming into a team in chaos that didn't know how it wanted to play and certainly wasn't playing to the specific strengths that made him stand out at Atalanta - and recorded one of the best shot conversion rates in the league.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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Which areas do you think that lacks in?
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Hold up play / back to goal isnt great at all. Needs a lot of work.
His passing and link up play hasn't impressed me either. He looks a bit clumsy on the ball at times.
His runs and timing is his runs needs to improve too. Although the service he gets into him is often poor, there are times where I think he could have made more of the opportunity and been in the right place.
Heading? We haven't seen a great deal of it tbf as he barely gets a cross so hard to know really.
His finishing isn't actually too bad. He can show moments of coolness in the box like last night. The chip he did a few weeks ago too (Brentford I think it was) was
classy goal as well.
I don't think he's a bad player but do I see him being good enough to be our front man if we do get ourselves back into the title picture in the next 3-4 years? Not sure I do personally. Think we can do better.
I'm still on the fence with Hojlund.
He's good at converting chances but him not getting many chances can't simply just be everyone else's fault.
20 goals all from play since joining us is still a respectable haul though.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 45 seconds ago
I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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I don't know how any of us could be equipped to draw this conclusion after one season joining a much tougher league as a very young and raw player, coming into a team in chaos that didn't know how it wanted to play and certainly wasn't playing to the specific strengths that made him stand out at Atalanta - and recorded one of the best shot conversion rates in the league.
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It's an opinion. We are all entitled to them. As you know a big opinion you had recently didn't turn out too well did it?
I think he's clearly our best option for now as I said. We shall find out I suppose about the long term prospects and as I said to Elvis......a lot will depend on Amorim's budget. If he gets a generous transfer kitty like Erik got twice then I wouldn't be shocked at all if we signed a top name striker.
Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
Garnacho and Rashford are going to struggle if we play two number 10's. It's just not their game.
In second half last night he tweaked it and allowed Garnacho to play on the wing a bit more and it definitely improved us even if he wastes the chances he got.
Don't think playing two narrow tens with the current options we have at wingback is going to work at all. That will obviously be fixed next summer though.
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I think Garnacho has the time to develop into that role. You seem to be overlooking how young both Hojlund and Garnacho are. Neither are going to be the finished article just yet.
Shaw would be a good wingback option if he could actually stay fit.
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posted 4 weeks ago
A lot of people who know Amorim's football better than me have said it will be ideal for Hojlund, and his underwhelming first season was at least as much about the general dysfunction of the team / failure to play to his strengths as it was Hojlund's slow settling in. I think we could do with depth of options at number 9 but he's one of the players I'm least concerned about thriving under the new regime.
Rashford clearly has work to do if he wants to be a significant part of the team in the future. I did think he looked a bit more comfortable behind Hojlund than as the 9 himself.
I heartily second your comments on Mazraoui. He's such a good footballer: really intelligent reading of space, imaginative problem solving, and technically so accomplished. Quite comfortably our best player this season so far, whichever manager and formation he plays in, and whichever position he has been asked to play. If he stays injury free, he's going to be one of our best buys in a long time.
posted 4 weeks ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
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doesnt that only count if you make a genuine effort to play the ball. The keeper was clearly playing Rasmus
posted 4 weeks ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a side point on last night. If Nacho hadnt netted the loose ball when Rasmus mugged the keeper in the first minute, forcing the keeper to rugby tackle Rasmus to the ground, the ref would have had no option but to award a pen... and Red Card the goalkeeper.
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I think it would have been a pen and a yellow card due to the double jeopardy rule?
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doesnt that only count if you make a genuine effort to play the ball. The keeper was clearly playing Rasmus
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Oh you could be right.
posted 4 weeks ago
Amorim must've been impressed by his players' intricate passing game in the build-up to the Hojlund golazo.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
posted 4 weeks ago
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
posted 4 weeks ago
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
posted 4 weeks ago
yeh...its going to take INEOS at least a couple of summer windows of ins and outs to recruit the correct personal to play the way he/they wants United to ideally.
posted 4 weeks ago
Probably should be looking to replace shaw, can’t be relied on
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
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Your question was addressed two posts further up.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
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Yeh I think that the wide areas are going to be the priority. I expect that a LB and a no.10 will be his priority signings, but we will see.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Hopefully he gets a start against Everton and can get on a bit of a run. He certainly receives off balls into the box, which didn’t do enough under ETH. He took his chances well. He leads the line far better than Rashford who I think will struggle in this system.
The options at wing back are going to be a big issue for us, int he first half we consistently got the ball out to Malecia and Antony but they’re toothless, Dalot was even worse.
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I won't hold my breath on Antony, but certainly Malacia deserves a bit more time as it was his first game back. I do worry if Dalot has that football intelligence that Amorim craves in his players. But time will tell and very early to rule anything out.
The same goes for Hojlund, in terms of we will know by, or Amorim will at least, early into next year if Hojlund can be the complete article for him - that doesn't mean he will be by then, but Amorim will get a real feel one way or the other and whether he needs a different option brought in.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 17 minutes ago
Can you make yourself vs the mighty ive already forgotten the name of whoever it was, bonos gimp sumin? Anyway, wouldn't mind him banging a few in vs Everton, need the points in ff draft too.
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The post is more about Amorim and has system than last night's game.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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Which areas do you think that lacks in?
posted 4 weeks ago
Garnacho and Rashford are going to struggle if we play two number 10's. It's just not their game.
In second half last night he tweaked it and allowed Garnacho to play on the wing a bit more and it definitely improved us even if he wastes the chances he got.
Don't think playing two narrow tens with the current options we have at wingback is going to work at all. That will obviously be fixed next summer though.
posted 4 weeks ago
I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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I don't know how any of us could be equipped to draw this conclusion after one season joining a much tougher league as a very young and raw player, coming into a team in chaos that didn't know how it wanted to play and certainly wasn't playing to the specific strengths that made him stand out at Atalanta - and recorded one of the best shot conversion rates in the league.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
He was good last night but 'the making of' after one good game in Europa League is probably going a bit overboard I have to say. Hes definitely our best number 9 option but he's got a lot to improve on in his all round game for me.
When he's banging goals in against Arsenal, City and Liverpool then let's talk about the making of him.
I see Amorim was talking about him taking too many touches whilst holding the ball up last night. I'm glad we've got a manager who can see it and actually acknowledge it. His hold up play needs to improve massively for me if he's going to make it and be our number 9 long term. Still think Amorim is going to be buy a top striker first chance he gets personally but we shall see.
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I wasn't implying that the game last night was the making of him. More that Amorim and his system will be the making of him.
He certainly has areas of his game that need improving. At you say, his hold up play needs attention as does his heading. But I feel that he has all the physical and mental attributes to improve those areas.
As for Amorim going out and buying a top class striker, I'm not so sure about that. Everything that I have read about him suggests that he enjoys working with talented youngsters and developing their game. I think that he will focus on getting the best out of Hojlund rather than bringing a player in that will be above him in the pecking order.
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For the meantime he will do because he's our best
option. I have never really liked Rashford through the middle myself so Hojlund is definitely.
Obviously a lot will depend on how much money he gets in the summer too but if he gets a decent budget I imagine he will go get Gyokeres or someone like that tbh. I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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Which areas do you think that lacks in?
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Hold up play / back to goal isnt great at all. Needs a lot of work.
His passing and link up play hasn't impressed me either. He looks a bit clumsy on the ball at times.
His runs and timing is his runs needs to improve too. Although the service he gets into him is often poor, there are times where I think he could have made more of the opportunity and been in the right place.
Heading? We haven't seen a great deal of it tbf as he barely gets a cross so hard to know really.
His finishing isn't actually too bad. He can show moments of coolness in the box like last night. The chip he did a few weeks ago too (Brentford I think it was) was
classy goal as well.
I don't think he's a bad player but do I see him being good enough to be our front man if we do get ourselves back into the title picture in the next 3-4 years? Not sure I do personally. Think we can do better.
posted 4 weeks ago
I'm still on the fence with Hojlund.
He's good at converting chances but him not getting many chances can't simply just be everyone else's fault.
20 goals all from play since joining us is still a respectable haul though.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 45 seconds ago
I'm not convinced Hojlund is going to be our number 9 for the next 5-6 years. Just don't think he's good enough myself.
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I don't know how any of us could be equipped to draw this conclusion after one season joining a much tougher league as a very young and raw player, coming into a team in chaos that didn't know how it wanted to play and certainly wasn't playing to the specific strengths that made him stand out at Atalanta - and recorded one of the best shot conversion rates in the league.
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It's an opinion. We are all entitled to them. As you know a big opinion you had recently didn't turn out too well did it?
I think he's clearly our best option for now as I said. We shall find out I suppose about the long term prospects and as I said to Elvis......a lot will depend on Amorim's budget. If he gets a generous transfer kitty like Erik got twice then I wouldn't be shocked at all if we signed a top name striker.
posted 4 weeks ago
Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
Garnacho and Rashford are going to struggle if we play two number 10's. It's just not their game.
In second half last night he tweaked it and allowed Garnacho to play on the wing a bit more and it definitely improved us even if he wastes the chances he got.
Don't think playing two narrow tens with the current options we have at wingback is going to work at all. That will obviously be fixed next summer though.
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I think Garnacho has the time to develop into that role. You seem to be overlooking how young both Hojlund and Garnacho are. Neither are going to be the finished article just yet.
Shaw would be a good wingback option if he could actually stay fit.
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