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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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The reality of being in the bottom half of the table?
Pretty sure we can all grasp that.
I think something that had become apparent just at the moment as well is that they quality of player isn't really there to recruit. The top clubs are struggling to find talent to replace their previously generations. That goes for City, United even Real Madrid.
Feels like football in general is lacking in superstars at the moment. Especially in the striker department.
I think it's time for levy to move on as I've said before. The whole club needs a refresh/rebrand, we need to be viewed differently from outside. The Spursey tag seems to be louder than ever and Levy has played his part in all that.
Don't think Ange is the man either for his stubbornness alone. Pushing 9 men up to HW line against chelsea stunk of arrogance and nothing he has done since had reassured me he wants success for spurs, more about enhancing his own image and reputation.
isnt success the way you enhance your own image & reputation and that goes for both Ange and Levy
Both will hate being made to look stupid so to suggest both arent interested in achieving success is a bit wild.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 27 minutes ago
isnt success the way you enhance your own image & reputationand that goes for both Ange and Levy
Both will hate being made to look stupid so to suggest both arent interested in achieving success is a bit wild.
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Well Levy hasn’t been bothered for a quarter of a century now, what’s changed for him? I think he has just got used to it.
Ange to be fair I think genuinely believes he will bring success, but he might be wrong and current evidence suggests he is
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
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Won’t happen, it’s not happened for a quarter of a century - it’s not going to start now. We spent £85m on Odobert, Gray, and Bergvall in the summer - why? Because we might unearth the next Bale and be able to sell them on for mega profit. I don’t have a problem with that to be fair, but we’re not splashing £80m on a young CB or £100m on a young up and coming striker - we just don’t do that and won’t do that
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comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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I agree either this completely. Levy couldn’t convince naaglesman or slot to come.
If Ange goes it will be a long list of people turning spurs down before they get someone. I wouldn’t mind betting that’s half the reason Ange is still in a job.
Im not sure why people think slot turned us down
Wasn’t it because we refused the release fee feyenord wanted ? Could be wrong though
Still a huge mistake by levy though
I thought Slot used us to get a better contract? He had no intention of leaving that season as I remember. We probably weren't big enough to attract him anyway.
25 May 2023
Arne Slot says he wants to stay as Feyenoord manager - ruling himself out of contention for the Tottenham job.
The 44-year-old Dutchman had been heavily linked with a move to Spurs after Antonio Conte's sacking in March.
Slot, who led Feyenoord to the 2022-23 Eredivisie title, held talks with the Rotterdam-based club on Wednesday about a potential extension to his contract.
"I have been hearing a lot of rumours going around about other interest in me," said Slot.
"Although I am thankful, my wish is to stay at Feyenoord and continue working on what we created last year.
"There is not - and there has not been - transfer conversation and yesterday's meeting was exclusively for an extension. All talks with the club have always been only in that sense. Looking forward to next season with Feyenoord."
From the BBC. So any narrative about Levy failing to land him is slightly off.
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Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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I am not so deluded to think we will smash £350m in one window alone, please don't twist it like that.
But I I do want to see us actually pay that extra £5-£10m on a player to get a grade A player instead of a grade B which is what ENIC do and have done down the years.
Do you remember Nelson & Saha when we could have smashed it with better players?
Nkoudu/Njie/Stambouli...
WTF?!
A Leopard doesn't change it's spots and it's clear that Daniel Levy will not change his MO.
I have every right to want to see my club succeed and win things. Since 1994 I have seen ONE league cup!
If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine but please don't talk down to people and expect us to be happy with what is happening.
If you want to manage our expectations don't build the best stadium and training ground in the world and then buy average players and charge the highest prices around and mug us all off.
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comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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We will always be able to attract managers to the club because of the size, the stadium, the money they'll receive, and I expect some managers will see it as a good challenge to be able to win something with us, where others have failed. If you think about it, there's less and less pressure on the manager at Spurs because so many have tried and failed already, even ones with a history of winning. It's like a nothing to lose position and a nice pay packet to gain.
The fact is we were able to attract one of the best managers in the world at the time, and this was all after managers had complained about Levy and the situation here.
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
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Won’t happen, it’s not happened for a quarter of a century - it’s not going to start now. We spent £85m on Odobert, Gray, and Bergvall in the summer - why? Because we might unearth the next Bale and be able to sell them on for mega profit. I don’t have a problem with that to be fair, but we’re not splashing £80m on a young CB or £100m on a young up and coming striker - we just don’t do that and won’t do that
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You could be right but we've spent up to £60m on several players now in just the last few years. Whether they've been worth spending that much for is another matter though we were still prepared to do it. Surely only a matter of time before there's an £80m signing?
Surely only a matter of time before there's an £80m signing?
.........In three windows time.
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Yeah I think Romero is done and will be gone by next summer.
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Done at Spurs, because we have no ambition.
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Done at Spurs because Davies has been more reliable !
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How many matches has Davies played this season....
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"Romero backed Postecoglou after Sunday's loss, saying: 'He's a great coach. We saw it in the first season. In this second one we've suffered a lot of injuries.".....
"We are very happy with this staff, me and my colleagues. We love how they work and the football they try to play. We'll try to move on quickly.'
I dont understand some of the comments above about Romero not interested and not putting out the effort.
The guy says he loves playing here, Ange, the staff etc.
He says its up to Levy to invest in the squad.
Who argues with that?
If THAT is what Romero thinks, then....I'm in favor of letting Aussieglue go on and make what he can of the rest of the season.
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I am not so deluded to think we will smash £350m in one window alone, please don't twist it like that.
But I I do want to see us actually pay that extra £5-£10m on a player to get a grade A player instead of a grade B which is what ENIC do and have done down the years.
Do you remember Nelson & Saha when we could have smashed it with better players?
Nkoudu/Njie/Stambouli...
WTF?!
A Leopard doesn't change it's spots and it's clear that Daniel Levy will not change his MO.
I have every right to want to see my club succeed and win things. Since 1994 I have seen ONE league cup!
If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine but please don't talk down to people and expect us to be happy with what is happening.
If you want to manage our expectations don't build the best stadium and training ground in the world and then buy average players and charge the highest prices around and mug us all off.
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Feckin hell. Harping back to Saha and Stambouli. Jeez, what's that? 15 years ago.
5m isn't the difference between average or kids and Grade A. You want Rice or Caicedo and it's 100m plus old man Casemiro 70m, bang average strikers like Nunez and Richarlison, 60-80m.
Eze would be 40-50m more than we paid for Odobert.
The squad had and has holes in it. Not every one can be filled with a 24 - 27 year old costing north of 50m.
Its only really Davies Romero and Son who have been at the club for more than 3 years. We need another round of signings before we can feel like we have options across the whole squad.
And im not trying to make excuses, I just think that is reality. Yes we should 100% be doing better than we are. The injury situation isn't helping but the issues go way beyond that.
We must address the squad in the coming 2 windows and this must be a greater focus on first team ready players who will improve us now or at least be pushing regular starters for a place.
What annoys me is how our current form, and our form under Ange for the best part of a season is being linked to a lack of ambition argument, or buyer players to make a profit argument it is such a simplistic narrative and simply doesn't stand up.
What most have biiitched about is stuff like we shpjld have got Eze(65m) instead of Odobert (25m), we should have bought another keeper (10m) and another CB (25m) and instead of Gray we should have bought a top quality CM (60m) and instead of Bergvall a ready to go AM (50m). The narrative is that we should have spent another 150m plus in the summer. People just say this stuff in all seriousness. Another 150m spending takes us to £0.5bn under Ange in 2 summer windows. Is that what fans think and expect to happen, that quickly? Feckin dreamers!
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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The reality of being in the bottom half of the table?
Pretty sure we can all grasp that.
posted 2 weeks ago
I think something that had become apparent just at the moment as well is that they quality of player isn't really there to recruit. The top clubs are struggling to find talent to replace their previously generations. That goes for City, United even Real Madrid.
Feels like football in general is lacking in superstars at the moment. Especially in the striker department.
I think it's time for levy to move on as I've said before. The whole club needs a refresh/rebrand, we need to be viewed differently from outside. The Spursey tag seems to be louder than ever and Levy has played his part in all that.
Don't think Ange is the man either for his stubbornness alone. Pushing 9 men up to HW line against chelsea stunk of arrogance and nothing he has done since had reassured me he wants success for spurs, more about enhancing his own image and reputation.
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isnt success the way you enhance your own image & reputation and that goes for both Ange and Levy
Both will hate being made to look stupid so to suggest both arent interested in achieving success is a bit wild.
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
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isnt success the way you enhance your own image & reputationand that goes for both Ange and Levy
Both will hate being made to look stupid so to suggest both arent interested in achieving success is a bit wild.
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Well Levy hasn’t been bothered for a quarter of a century now, what’s changed for him? I think he has just got used to it.
Ange to be fair I think genuinely believes he will bring success, but he might be wrong and current evidence suggests he is
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
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Won’t happen, it’s not happened for a quarter of a century - it’s not going to start now. We spent £85m on Odobert, Gray, and Bergvall in the summer - why? Because we might unearth the next Bale and be able to sell them on for mega profit. I don’t have a problem with that to be fair, but we’re not splashing £80m on a young CB or £100m on a young up and coming striker - we just don’t do that and won’t do that
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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I agree either this completely. Levy couldn’t convince naaglesman or slot to come.
If Ange goes it will be a long list of people turning spurs down before they get someone. I wouldn’t mind betting that’s half the reason Ange is still in a job.
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Im not sure why people think slot turned us down
Wasn’t it because we refused the release fee feyenord wanted ? Could be wrong though
Still a huge mistake by levy though
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I thought Slot used us to get a better contract? He had no intention of leaving that season as I remember. We probably weren't big enough to attract him anyway.
posted 2 weeks ago
25 May 2023
Arne Slot says he wants to stay as Feyenoord manager - ruling himself out of contention for the Tottenham job.
The 44-year-old Dutchman had been heavily linked with a move to Spurs after Antonio Conte's sacking in March.
Slot, who led Feyenoord to the 2022-23 Eredivisie title, held talks with the Rotterdam-based club on Wednesday about a potential extension to his contract.
"I have been hearing a lot of rumours going around about other interest in me," said Slot.
"Although I am thankful, my wish is to stay at Feyenoord and continue working on what we created last year.
"There is not - and there has not been - transfer conversation and yesterday's meeting was exclusively for an extension. All talks with the club have always been only in that sense. Looking forward to next season with Feyenoord."
From the BBC. So any narrative about Levy failing to land him is slightly off.
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Its funny that he point at Liverpool, A team that bought no one this summer bar a sick note from Italy, and a club who we routinely outspend.
None of Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Endo, Szoboszlai have been particularly stand out signings. Very decent but nothing to rave about. Their squad is still held together by a lot of the old guard and it will be interesting to see how they transition to a rebuild when the likes of TAA, Salah, VVD move on/retire because these are the WC experienced and successful leaders that hold them together are remain the core of the squad and club.
We dont have that to build from and while i agree with Romero that we need to reinforce further, he also needs to look at himself. Davies has been more reliable at CB this season than Romero.
If Romero doesnt drop off and lose Vardy, doesnt get lost tracking Gabriel, doesnt step up when the whole defence is dropping vs NUFC, doesnt stand and watch instead of marking his man vs BHA, then we're at least 5 points better off, we have not lost half our games, we are not giving opposition hope that any minute now we'll feck up and gift you something.
Sort your ownshiiit out first Romero before pointing the finger!
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So what about when Liverpool actually backed their manager and spent £75m+ on VVD and near enough £40m for Allison two world class/first team players that would benefit and strengthen the team.
Not youth or B grade average players??!!
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Klopp came in Oct 2015.
They signed VVD in Jan 2018 and Allison in summer 2018 having sold Coutinho in summer 2017.
So if you take the Klopp timeline, he brought in those 2 key players 27 months and 33 months into his reign at Liverpool. Allison was in is third summer window
Next summer Ange will have had 24 months but it will be his 3rd window.
As i said above, i think we can expect 2 or 3 bigger names next season to truly add depth to the squad and impact on the first XI. We like liverpool have not been in a position to make the big signings all in one go. Everything that underpinned their successful time came in over Klopps first 3 years, they did not all come in within a couple windows.
If you look at what they have bought since 2020, then its been really hit and miss but the quality of the core has carried them through, along with the absolute quality of the manager.
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They finished 4th in both his 2nd and 3rd year though - there was clear progression. It’s easier to back the manager in that situation. The same has been true of Arteta up until now.
With Ange though - progression would be either finishing 4th or finishing lower but winning a cup.
If he does neither then why is it this manager we should persist with and spend big money on rather than Conte who got CL season 1 or Jose who got us to the cup final before being sacked.
Why Ange? Why does he get a pass and more time?
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This is a discussion about Levy and backing the manager.
Whoever came in in Summer 2023, in normal spending patterns it has taken the likes of Klopp and Arteta 2 to 3 years to build a squad which has the player they want, and the ones they dont want, gone.
Ange isnt getting any extra time. Klopp had the squad that went on to win things by summer 2018 when they brought in Alliosn & Fabinho.
The difference in all of this is Klopp.
We spenf £150m on decent players next summer and we will have a strong squad. If Ange is good enough to make that a winning squad then who knows, but it will have been assembled at huge expense and will contain a lot of quality that the likes of Klopp would be able to win stuff with.
I am not defending Ange. I am making the case that we are going through a massive rebuild and this, like Arsenal and Liverpool, takes time and our squad is still very much a work in progress, but that is understandable at this stage, and was also the case for Klopp & Arteta 18 months / 2 windows in to their rebuilds.
We will see come the summer whether Ange stays but the fact is any decent manager can work with the players we have. We have some great quality. Many managers achieve more or the same with less.
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OMG rebuild!
REBUILD, REBUILD, REBUILD!
That's all we keep hearing - for how many years will we keep rebuilding?
What are we building exactly the new ISS?
Please can anyone tell me when it will be finally BUILT?
I can't stomach another "rebuild" and I don't think anyone else can either.
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We havent rebuilt since Poch arrived. Its been a drip feeding or players out and players in, with the core staying put.
Since Ange and the other back room staff have come in we've seen the likes of Dier, GLC, NDombele, Emerson, Sanchez, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Lamela, Moura , Winks, Skipp, Kane, who have all been a fair big part of the squad for 5 or more years, all be moved on.
That's a rebuild and if you've had enough of it then fine, but your solution is to stamp you feet and moan that we didnt spend £350m in the summer and build a complete squad of proven talent.
I am not saying the players the coach or the ownership is beyond criticism. They absolutely are. But this pathetic blame game some fans play with no grasp on reality is just childish, unintelligent rubbish
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I am not so deluded to think we will smash £350m in one window alone, please don't twist it like that.
But I I do want to see us actually pay that extra £5-£10m on a player to get a grade A player instead of a grade B which is what ENIC do and have done down the years.
Do you remember Nelson & Saha when we could have smashed it with better players?
Nkoudu/Njie/Stambouli...
WTF?!
A Leopard doesn't change it's spots and it's clear that Daniel Levy will not change his MO.
I have every right to want to see my club succeed and win things. Since 1994 I have seen ONE league cup!
If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine but please don't talk down to people and expect us to be happy with what is happening.
If you want to manage our expectations don't build the best stadium and training ground in the world and then buy average players and charge the highest prices around and mug us all off.
posted 2 weeks ago
Levy out.
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So it doesn't matter who Levy gets in then. Don't think any top class manager wants us unless they are desperate.
Some people want Potter but does he even want us? He turned us down in 2023 and he ain't top class.
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I would have trouble believing an out of work Potter, whose last appointment ended in failure, wouldn't want us. If he didn't then we really have fallen on hard times.
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Why would he bother. Is he not still getting paid by Chelsea?
Who wants to come to Spurs and ask the chairman for a Ferrari only for him to give you 2 Fiat Punto’s
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Because he wants to get back into work and we will be the biggest club offering to take him since Chelsea.
Whatever the transfer side of things will be like I'm sure it will be less chaotic than it was at Chelsea. He might want that.
Given that Levy is showing a little leeway to a struggling manager right now, he'd at least get more time here than he would at Chelsea.
I can see more upsides for him than downsides.
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I don’t know, maybe he thinks the Newcastle job is going to open up soon and he fancies that.
Levy’s reputation goes before him - so many managers have failed under Levy, if you are even slightly unsure you can work with a guy like that then you don’t take the job.
We’ve seen this before as well - it’s why we ended up with Nuno a few years back as the only others interested were Conciecao and Gattusso.
No current manager of standing wants to work under Levy, probably why Ange will get more time
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We will always be able to attract managers to the club because of the size, the stadium, the money they'll receive, and I expect some managers will see it as a good challenge to be able to win something with us, where others have failed. If you think about it, there's less and less pressure on the manager at Spurs because so many have tried and failed already, even ones with a history of winning. It's like a nothing to lose position and a nice pay packet to gain.
The fact is we were able to attract one of the best managers in the world at the time, and this was all after managers had complained about Levy and the situation here.
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How about selling Romero and going after Branthwaite?
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He’s a lefty so do we want him and VDV starting?
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Ideally not, although if he was filling in for VDV as well he'd likely get a few starts as it is.
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Given he is English, there will be a massive fee involved anyway - sort of player Chelsea or City will drop £100m on.
We’re better off looking around the Prem - Murillo at Forest looks decent
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True but it's the sort of ambition we need to start showing these days, if not on him then an equivalent.
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Won’t happen, it’s not happened for a quarter of a century - it’s not going to start now. We spent £85m on Odobert, Gray, and Bergvall in the summer - why? Because we might unearth the next Bale and be able to sell them on for mega profit. I don’t have a problem with that to be fair, but we’re not splashing £80m on a young CB or £100m on a young up and coming striker - we just don’t do that and won’t do that
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You could be right but we've spent up to £60m on several players now in just the last few years. Whether they've been worth spending that much for is another matter though we were still prepared to do it. Surely only a matter of time before there's an £80m signing?
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Surely only a matter of time before there's an £80m signing?
.........In three windows time.
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Yeah I think Romero is done and will be gone by next summer.
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Done at Spurs, because we have no ambition.
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Done at Spurs because Davies has been more reliable !
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How many matches has Davies played this season....
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
"Romero backed Postecoglou after Sunday's loss, saying: 'He's a great coach. We saw it in the first season. In this second one we've suffered a lot of injuries.".....
"We are very happy with this staff, me and my colleagues. We love how they work and the football they try to play. We'll try to move on quickly.'
I dont understand some of the comments above about Romero not interested and not putting out the effort.
The guy says he loves playing here, Ange, the staff etc.
He says its up to Levy to invest in the squad.
Who argues with that?
If THAT is what Romero thinks, then....I'm in favor of letting Aussieglue go on and make what he can of the rest of the season.
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I am not so deluded to think we will smash £350m in one window alone, please don't twist it like that.
But I I do want to see us actually pay that extra £5-£10m on a player to get a grade A player instead of a grade B which is what ENIC do and have done down the years.
Do you remember Nelson & Saha when we could have smashed it with better players?
Nkoudu/Njie/Stambouli...
WTF?!
A Leopard doesn't change it's spots and it's clear that Daniel Levy will not change his MO.
I have every right to want to see my club succeed and win things. Since 1994 I have seen ONE league cup!
If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine but please don't talk down to people and expect us to be happy with what is happening.
If you want to manage our expectations don't build the best stadium and training ground in the world and then buy average players and charge the highest prices around and mug us all off.
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Feckin hell. Harping back to Saha and Stambouli. Jeez, what's that? 15 years ago.
5m isn't the difference between average or kids and Grade A. You want Rice or Caicedo and it's 100m plus old man Casemiro 70m, bang average strikers like Nunez and Richarlison, 60-80m.
Eze would be 40-50m more than we paid for Odobert.
The squad had and has holes in it. Not every one can be filled with a 24 - 27 year old costing north of 50m.
Its only really Davies Romero and Son who have been at the club for more than 3 years. We need another round of signings before we can feel like we have options across the whole squad.
And im not trying to make excuses, I just think that is reality. Yes we should 100% be doing better than we are. The injury situation isn't helping but the issues go way beyond that.
We must address the squad in the coming 2 windows and this must be a greater focus on first team ready players who will improve us now or at least be pushing regular starters for a place.
What annoys me is how our current form, and our form under Ange for the best part of a season is being linked to a lack of ambition argument, or buyer players to make a profit argument it is such a simplistic narrative and simply doesn't stand up.
What most have biiitched about is stuff like we shpjld have got Eze(65m) instead of Odobert (25m), we should have bought another keeper (10m) and another CB (25m) and instead of Gray we should have bought a top quality CM (60m) and instead of Bergvall a ready to go AM (50m). The narrative is that we should have spent another 150m plus in the summer. People just say this stuff in all seriousness. Another 150m spending takes us to £0.5bn under Ange in 2 summer windows. Is that what fans think and expect to happen, that quickly? Feckin dreamers!
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