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posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 26 minutes ago
That one season under ETH aside, Rashford simply hasn’t developed as a player since coming through. His heading, back to goal play, decision making, left foot and workrate out of possession remain poor (the work rate has deteriorated season after season).

As well as not looking right mentally, he also looks like he’s lost a bit of that explosiveness that was so key to his game. It might explain why he’s struggling to take players on as much as he used to, why he’s not getting that extra half a yard to get his shots off etc.
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I do wonder how much of that comes back to his back injury. He struggled for a long time after he got that injury and you could see he couldn't make as many runs on his return. He still had his best season after the injury, but has he had to take painkillers to mask the injury? Has that impacted him mentally? Has he now come off the painkillers and its causing him issues?
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It’s possible. Maybe a more simple explanation is that it’s a combination of the fact he’s played a hell of a lot of games (about 500 United/England games) from about 18 years old, plus he hasn’t added to his game to compensate for any physical decline.

posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 seconds ago
He's gone a bit Dele Alli. Think's he's some sort of G, lost all focus and drive.
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If you read my comment above.....I believe his cousin may have committed suicide in the last 2 years who he was apparently very close with. I think his off the field actions and decisions have been his way of dealing with this stuff sadly.

Sad to see really.
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may be. may be not.

He's always been on and off flaky, never really worked hard enough, very reliant on his considerable natural talent.

I wouldnt still be giving him a free pass, 2 years on, despite the tragic circumstances of his cousin.
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I want him gone.
I want Bruno gone.

In stating this, the above is a very daft comment. People after losing a family some recover and some sadly never do! Let’s forget about money here for one second.

posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago

We're gonna have to pay him to leave... ALOT of money!!!

posted 6 hours, 21 minutes ago

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 26 minutes ago
That one season under ETH aside, Rashford simply hasn’t developed as a player since coming through. His heading, back to goal play, decision making, left foot and workrate out of possession remain poor (the work rate has deteriorated season after season).

As well as not looking right mentally, he also looks like he’s lost a bit of that explosiveness that was so key to his game. It might explain why he’s struggling to take players on as much as he used to, why he’s not getting that extra half a yard to get his shots off etc.
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I do wonder how much of that comes back to his back injury. He struggled for a long time after he got that injury and you could see he couldn't make as many runs on his return. He still had his best season after the injury, but has he had to take painkillers to mask the injury? Has that impacted him mentally? Has he now come off the painkillers and its causing him issues?
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It’s possible. Maybe a more simple explanation is that it’s a combination of the fact he’s played a hell of a lot of games (about 500 United/England games) from about 18 years old, plus he hasn’t added to his game to compensate for any physical decline.
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I also think people don't often consider how our complete lack of sporting direction, consistency and leadership over the past decade has affected the development of individual players. It's where I do have sympathy for the likes of Rashford, Martial and Pogba. They each worked under 4 or 5 managers who wanted them in different roles, in teams with completely different styles and set ups. It doesn't excuse Rashford's lack of professionalism at times, but it isn't conducive to the development of young players at all.

Something we need to start getting right immediately for the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho and Amad.

posted 6 hours, 21 minutes ago

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Rashford was never close to the elite players unfortunately. Had a few very good seasons statistically but you could pretty always tell he wasn’t going to reach the standards of the top PL wingers.
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He got to big too soon. Something I'm worried about with Garnacho.

I still believe there's something left for with Rashford, this is the wrong time to sell him. That was last year when he had the usual drop after the "hot" ETH season. It was obvious his flaws would never work in the team ETH wanted but he sold all his opinions for the great moments from him.

Garnacho is scaring me. Amorim's comment about dropping them is worrisome. It speaks of criminally bad attitude. Rashford is maybe emotionally down but Garnacho has the worst one. I remember Ronaldo too having a similar thing and it took a long period of benches, Ole on the flank football, before him calming down and keeping it simple. Fergie always knew that mentality at that age is as important as ability. First thing everyone says about Amad is "he's humble". It's not for nothing.

Amorim's real test is seeing if he can get them back to his fold. I also wonder if Ruud might have been a better man manager? Anyways I actually hate being right about Rashford.

posted 5 hours, 49 minutes ago

Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.

posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 44 minutes ago
Not everyone responds positively to death threats, constant online abuse and being called into question for wanting to feed the poor.

Some might even fall out of love with the profession that puts you through such disproportionate levels of exposure and scrutiny.

Fancy that.


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True.

But you could also say.....he would not be the first to put in a stellar season to secure a new bumper deal, and then start to decline with his non-football activity appearing more of a priority.

If he cannot cope with the pressures of football then so be it, that's very difficult to deal with. But may be its the mark of the man that when subject to abuse and accusations about his effort, his response is not to up these elements of his game. To be the hardest trainer the hardest runner.

He shouldn't need his own fans to make excuses for him.

posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 30 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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This.

posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 42 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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Well said mate. Well said.

I have nothing against the guy as a man. Great man in my eyes.

As a footballer, it is time for us to part ways. I dare say it I reckon he will do well at Arsenal.

posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 33 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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Its a product of his burst of form and obvious overpay by management. It was poor management by everyone involved. No one says not to take a massive wage contract, but do not relax after that. ETH for a very long time encouraged all his bad tendencies which suddenly are exacerbated when Amorim who tbh is not demanding anymore than should have been asked for by every single manager before him.

I do not feel bad for him per se. I would like to have been paid his monthly wage for my whole working life. I feel it is a loss for the club because his potential is obvious but we have lost it ourselves. He can mop up his tears with oodles of cash and a super fit girl or bends his head down and improve one or two things (5 yeard passes at a regualr rate?)

posted 4 hours, 55 minutes ago

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 33 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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Its a product of his burst of form and obvious overpay by management. It was poor management by everyone involved. No one says not to take a massive wage contract, but do not relax after that. ETH for a very long time encouraged all his bad tendencies which suddenly are exacerbated when Amorim who tbh is not demanding anymore than should have been asked for by every single manager before him.

I do not feel bad for him per se. I would like to have been paid his monthly wage for my whole working life. I feel it is a loss for the club because his potential is obvious but we have lost it ourselves. He can mop up his tears with oodles of cash and a super fit girl or bends his head down and improve one or two things (5 yeard passes at a regualr rate?)
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I do not feel bad for him per se. I would like to have been paid his monthly wage for my whole working life.

We really ought to be careful with this line of thinking. Footballers are not the only sports athletes that are paid a stupendous amount of money. It is very weird this and a British thing, I do not understand why their money is always spoken about as an excuse not to feeling sorry.

There are people with 30/40k salaries who do have a much better mental health compared to some of these footballers.

posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 30 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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This.
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and it goes without saying.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 26 minutes ago
That one season under ETH aside, Rashford simply hasn’t developed as a player since coming through. His heading, back to goal play, decision making, left foot and workrate out of possession remain poor (the work rate has deteriorated season after season).

As well as not looking right mentally, he also looks like he’s lost a bit of that explosiveness that was so key to his game. It might explain why he’s struggling to take players on as much as he used to, why he’s not getting that extra half a yard to get his shots off etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I do wonder how much of that comes back to his back injury. He struggled for a long time after he got that injury and you could see he couldn't make as many runs on his return. He still had his best season after the injury, but has he had to take painkillers to mask the injury? Has that impacted him mentally? Has he now come off the painkillers and its causing him issues?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s possible. Maybe a more simple explanation is that it’s a combination of the fact he’s played a hell of a lot of games (about 500 United/England games) from about 18 years old, plus he hasn’t added to his game to compensate for any physical decline.
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Could be that aye.

posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago

Elite level sport is brutal.

The mentally weak fall away. Whether that's dealing with pressure or personal circumstances, if you are unable to compartmentalise these things and maintain the highest professional standards and output then you will never become that highest level player/athlete.

What makes an athlete or footballer a true great is ability first but mental strength is also a pre-requisite, and this is even more the case in the modern game when being the most skilful player on the park doesn't guarantee that you will be a success and hit the heights.

If a player doesn't have it then so be it. I don't think one should feel sorry for them but neither should they be abused. A club/coach should be able to recognise this and make the right decision and if that is selling them then do it. If its a spell on the side lines to get the hunger back, do that. Ultimately do what ever is best for the club.

posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 44 minutes ago
Not everyone responds positively to death threats, constant online abuse and being called into question for wanting to feed the poor.

Some might even fall out of love with the profession that puts you through such disproportionate levels of exposure and scrutiny.

Fancy that.


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True.

But you could also say.....he would not be the first to put in a stellar season to secure a new bumper deal, and then start to decline with his non-football activity appearing more of a priority.

If he cannot cope with the pressures of football then so be it, that's very difficult to deal with. But may be its the mark of the man that when subject to abuse and accusations about his effort, his response is not to up these elements of his game. To be the hardest trainer the hardest runner.

He shouldn't need his own fans to make excuses for him.
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Fwiw, I'm a fan of neither Rashford nor United, but I'm pretty sure I recall him facing abuse related to his ethnicity and social activism before and/or regardless of his performance levels.

Following your reasoning above, though, why give anyone the benefit of the doubt for anything when you can lay into them instead...

posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 33 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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Its a product of his burst of form and obvious overpay by management. It was poor management by everyone involved. No one says not to take a massive wage contract, but do not relax after that. ETH for a very long time encouraged all his bad tendencies which suddenly are exacerbated when Amorim who tbh is not demanding anymore than should have been asked for by every single manager before him.

I do not feel bad for him per se. I would like to have been paid his monthly wage for my whole working life. I feel it is a loss for the club because his potential is obvious but we have lost it ourselves. He can mop up his tears with oodles of cash and a super fit girl or bends his head down and improve one or two things (5 yeard passes at a regualr rate?)
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I do not feel bad for him per se. I would like to have been paid his monthly wage for my whole working life.

We really ought to be careful with this line of thinking. Footballers are not the only sports athletes that are paid a stupendous amount of money. It is very weird this and a British thing, I do not understand why their money is always spoken about as an excuse not to feeling sorry.

There are people with 30/40k salaries who do have a much better mental health compared to some of these footballers.
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I understand. Maybe its the Nigerian in me. We relate our pay with responsibilities to a lot of things, including ourselves. The clear line between wealth {especially at a young age) in the west always appear weird to me. I fight everyone (including the ones I love) for my mental health.

Overpaying is part of the problem. Its meant to be a good thing so because a lot of problems should theoretically be solved by it.

granted, that situation comes from us overpaying them, of which the club has a responsibility to manage.

posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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He doesn't get blamed for coming on for 20 mins while we are losing.
People point out the fact that he comes on for 20 minutes, strolls about and does fack all, then collects 300+k for the "effort".

posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago

Jim will have looked at rashford’s wages and thought ‘I could have a new yacht with that, and I’ll still make 4000 people redundant because it’s fun’

posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago

He should’ve been replaced a while ago now, he’s not good enough to be part of the attack that gets us back to where we need to be. The trouble is for all the money we’ve spent in the last 5 years we’ve not signed anyone better than him, that’s not his fault, we’ve also offered him massive wages, again not his fault, and we’ve had managers allow him to do the bare minimum or less and still get picked week in week out, again not his fault.

The club has been a shambles and he is a product of that.

Hope he does find a club and place he enjoys playing football again because he hasn’t looked like he has for a while here, despite what he writes on Instagram. His performances and attitude generally on the pitch says otherwise.

I’m glad Amorim seems to have clocked a lot of these things so quickly.

posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago

comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 4 minutes ago
He should’ve been replaced a while ago now, he’s not good enough to be part of the attack that gets us back to where we need to be. The trouble is for all the money we’ve spent in the last 5 years we’ve not signed anyone better than him, that’s not his fault, we’ve also offered him massive wages, again not his fault, and we’ve had managers allow him to do the bare minimum or less and still get picked week in week out, again not his fault.

The club has been a shambles and he is a product of that.

Hope he does find a club and place he enjoys playing football again because he hasn’t looked like he has for a while here, despite what he writes on Instagram. His performances and attitude generally on the pitch says otherwise.

I’m glad Amorim seems to have clocked a lot of these things so quickly.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Amorim was approached months ago and he's been watching us since.

posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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He doesn't get blamed for coming on for 20 mins while we are losing.
People point out the fact that he comes on for 20 minutes, strolls about and does fack all, then collects 300+k for the "effort".

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That's true of some people not all. There's such an unhealthy obsession with him by many. You only have to watch the interviews and read the comments.

Some people don't appreciate his lack of effort, true. Quite a lot of people didn't like a black footballer embarrassing a Tory government though. That's why we got comments like 'meals on wheels' even appearing on this very forum.

posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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He doesn't get blamed for coming on for 20 mins while we are losing.
People point out the fact that he comes on for 20 minutes, strolls about and does fack all, then collects 300+k for the "effort".

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That's true of some people not all. There's such an unhealthy obsession with him by many. You only have to watch the interviews and read the comments.

Some people don't appreciate his lack of effort, true. Quite a lot of people didn't like a black footballer embarrassing a Tory government though. That's why we got comments like 'meals on wheels' even appearing on this very forum.
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On the whole, I do think (and I don’t have a lot of good to say about this site) that people comment more on his football and not other stuff on ja606.

You are absolutely spot on though I don’t get comments about money, what he is wearing, whether he takes private jets etc. this ultimately gained traction after he took on the Tory government, dailymail today are having a field day with this story.

posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 30 minutes ago
Some of the abuse he gets is absolutely ridiculous though and goes way way way past the line. He gets blamed when he starts and we don't win and he gets blamed when he comes on for 20 mins when we are already 2/3 goals behind like last week.

Not rating somebody is perfectly fine but the responses he gets on his socials is nothing short of disgusting at times.

Sad end for him this if this is to be it. Guarantee you though that if he does leave and comes back to OT as a guest or opposing player he'd get a huge ovation from most match going fans.
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This.
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and it goes without saying.
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Agreed he gets loads of criticism on social media and from the press. But so do many other players.

Rashford does not get booed by the match going fans in the stadium

posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago

Like I mentioned here the other day, I’ve heard rumours he has a drink and sleeping pills problem (sleeping pills is a wider issue in the game) and combined with other off field issues such as splitting from his GF, possible family member dying, brothers that I’ve heard have ties to gangs, the sh-t he got for supporting meals for kids, other pressures of not living up to the hype. I’m sure all these factors will have an effect on his performances.

He needs a move but just not sure where. Don’t see Luis Enrique wanting him at PSG.

posted 44 minutes ago

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 5 minutes ago
People are completely right to be fed up and want a new start away from Rashford now but just need to be mindful about saying stuff about him personally.

As I pointed out to a few people last season......there was credible stories last season that he's lost a close friend and a cousin in the last 2 years, both who passed away far too early. It's probably hit him hard if that's the case and completely understandable how he looks lost to the world.

Sad how it's turned out for him and I hope he does get his mojo back even for another team. He's never been world class but he's much better than the player we are currently seeing that's for sure.

Once a red, always a red though and we don't abuse our own who come through the ranks. It goes against everything this club was built on.
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