He is Utd quality.
Don't think he's top 4 quality though.
He's exceptional on the ball, no doubt. One of the best ball-playing CBs on the planet. And he's a good defender too, but he really lacks the physical attributes. And I'm not even that bothered about his height, but he just doesn't cover ground or defend large spaces very well at all.
It's all about whether Amorim sees that trade-off as worth it. Personally I don't think it is. Really like him as a player and would love it if we could find a spot for him but I don't see it.
He's been making the odd fck up but he is a good player.
The Amad assist against City was stupendous.
That injury at the end of the 22/23 season ruined him, he was the best defender up till that point.
I like him... Let's see what Amorin gets out of him before any talk of selling him off.
Had his worst game in a United shirt last night, and is bang out of form; but he’s a very, very good centreback.
He’s certainly up to standard, and will be an important part of what Amorim builds.
We do need another LCB though.
Don't think he's a must sell personally but once again i think he was massively overrated by our fanbase.
Keep him as one of the CB rotation options for sure. Lindelof and Evans need to leave this summer before Licha.
I just want to go on record to say I rated him highly until this season.
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
I’ve always just seen him as Marcos Rojo mk2
Perhaps I’m wrong but I’m not entirely sure he’ll survive Amorim
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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A bit like most of yours tbf. You have one outstanding one and a few decent ones. And VVD isn't getting any younger either.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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A bit like most of yours tbf. You have one outstanding one and a few decent ones. And VVD isn't getting any younger either.
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Okay.
Solanke tortured him last night.
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
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Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
I'd hold fire before writing him off. Once we become a better team all round then I'm certain the qualities he has will trump his weaknesses.
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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I think he excels at passing and carrying the ball. But his other weaknesses mean he will never be a top level CB. Not in the PL anyway.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
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He was very weak for the Son goal. Got to be getting your hand to that.
I think in terms of opinions on him, Martinez 'benefitted' from missing a lot of last season, so people thought when he came back it would improve the team considerably, but in reality the real issues where with the team as a whole, not just missing one player.
It's not scientific, but he just doesn't look right this season, seems to get into a lot of uncomfortable positions and the lack of pace is a great issue. I thought he might be a great leader / organiser, but i don't get that from him either.
Hopefully he will improve as time goes on, but in the back of mind I thought there would be a few players who we would be surprised to see not fit into Amorim's thinking, and perhaps Martinez is one of them (whereas de Ligt has been decent and people thought he might struggle)
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
I'd hold fire before writing him off. Once we become a better team all round then I'm certain the qualities he has will trump his weaknesses.
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Possibly, but when we're at our lowest and players step up, it truly shows their battling qualities. While Licha's ball playing ability is impressive, his defensive side remains unconvincing. Poor form may be playing a part and the mental block of avoiding injuries another factor that's inhibiting his all action style. I think RA might be keen to upgrade, but with the summer budget uncertain and other areas needing attention, defence might be an area we are well stocked on for now.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
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He was very weak for the Son goal. Got to be getting your hand to that.
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Yeah, it was a very poor moment, and ultimately proved decisive, as only one team was in the ascendency at that stage. Spurs really got out of jail.
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
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Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
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“I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.”
Pep reckons he’s one the world’s top five. That’ll do for me.
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
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Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
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“I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.”
Pep reckons he’s one the world’s top five. That’ll do for me.
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Pep said he would learn from Southampton after a narrow win..........he certainly seems to have done that
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posted 4 weeks ago
He is Utd quality.
Don't think he's top 4 quality though.
posted 4 weeks ago
He's exceptional on the ball, no doubt. One of the best ball-playing CBs on the planet. And he's a good defender too, but he really lacks the physical attributes. And I'm not even that bothered about his height, but he just doesn't cover ground or defend large spaces very well at all.
It's all about whether Amorim sees that trade-off as worth it. Personally I don't think it is. Really like him as a player and would love it if we could find a spot for him but I don't see it.
posted 4 weeks ago
He's been making the odd fck up but he is a good player.
The Amad assist against City was stupendous.
posted 4 weeks ago
That injury at the end of the 22/23 season ruined him, he was the best defender up till that point.
posted 4 weeks ago
I like him... Let's see what Amorin gets out of him before any talk of selling him off.
posted 4 weeks ago
Had his worst game in a United shirt last night, and is bang out of form; but he’s a very, very good centreback.
He’s certainly up to standard, and will be an important part of what Amorim builds.
We do need another LCB though.
posted 4 weeks ago
Don't think he's a must sell personally but once again i think he was massively overrated by our fanbase.
Keep him as one of the CB rotation options for sure. Lindelof and Evans need to leave this summer before Licha.
posted 4 weeks ago
I just want to go on record to say I rated him highly until this season.
posted 4 weeks ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
posted 4 weeks ago
I’ve always just seen him as Marcos Rojo mk2
Perhaps I’m wrong but I’m not entirely sure he’ll survive Amorim
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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A bit like most of yours tbf. You have one outstanding one and a few decent ones. And VVD isn't getting any younger either.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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A bit like most of yours tbf. You have one outstanding one and a few decent ones. And VVD isn't getting any younger either.
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Okay.
posted 4 weeks ago
Solanke tortured him last night.
posted 4 weeks ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
posted 4 weeks ago
I'd hold fire before writing him off. Once we become a better team all round then I'm certain the qualities he has will trump his weaknesses.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
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I think he excels at passing and carrying the ball. But his other weaknesses mean he will never be a top level CB. Not in the PL anyway.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
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He was very weak for the Son goal. Got to be getting your hand to that.
posted 4 weeks ago
I think in terms of opinions on him, Martinez 'benefitted' from missing a lot of last season, so people thought when he came back it would improve the team considerably, but in reality the real issues where with the team as a whole, not just missing one player.
It's not scientific, but he just doesn't look right this season, seems to get into a lot of uncomfortable positions and the lack of pace is a great issue. I thought he might be a great leader / organiser, but i don't get that from him either.
Hopefully he will improve as time goes on, but in the back of mind I thought there would be a few players who we would be surprised to see not fit into Amorim's thinking, and perhaps Martinez is one of them (whereas de Ligt has been decent and people thought he might struggle)
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
I'd hold fire before writing him off. Once we become a better team all round then I'm certain the qualities he has will trump his weaknesses.
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Possibly, but when we're at our lowest and players step up, it truly shows their battling qualities. While Licha's ball playing ability is impressive, his defensive side remains unconvincing. Poor form may be playing a part and the mental block of avoiding injuries another factor that's inhibiting his all action style. I think RA might be keen to upgrade, but with the summer budget uncertain and other areas needing attention, defence might be an area we are well stocked on for now.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
As bad as Lis was I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where both keepers were so bad 😂
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The Turk had a calamitous performance. Check out YouTube for even bigger blunders, though the direct corner kick goal by Son might just top his list of worst moments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He was very weak for the Son goal. Got to be getting your hand to that.
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Yeah, it was a very poor moment, and ultimately proved decisive, as only one team was in the ascendency at that stage. Spurs really got out of jail.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
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Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
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“I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.”
Pep reckons he’s one the world’s top five. That’ll do for me.
posted 4 weeks ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
He’s an average PL defender and that’s about it.
Quite good at a lot of things, excels at nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very good ball carrier (if not exceptional), and a very good tackler and aggressive interceptor of the ball.
But his passing is up there with the best CBs in Europe. 85th percentile plus in passes, pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final third, passes into the box and through balls (97th percentile). That's where his value lies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Decent assist for Kulu last night tbf.
He’s okay on the ball, and should be for a CB given his height, but I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.
I don’t see much in him myself and I doubt many top clubs will be knocking on Utds door to get him.
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“I’m not too sure many would agree with you that he’s one of the best ball playing centre backs in Europe.”
Pep reckons he’s one the world’s top five. That’ll do for me.
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Pep said he would learn from Southampton after a narrow win..........he certainly seems to have done that
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