I wouldn't put it past either Chelsea or Utd to do the same to be honest.
Your lad (with the red nose) has already spoken of it...
...kettle...pot....blackthere is a saying in there somewhere but i cant quite put my finger on it....??!!
Scouse heart, as i explained to another Liverpool fans this morning - (taken from BBC interview last month)
"At no point in the interview does he call for United to get a larger chunk of the overseas rights. In fact he goes on to say that "it's fair" to have an equal share.
With the club's owners, the Glazer family, increasingly looking abroad for revenues and planning a share flotation in Singapore, Sir Alex's employers may take issue with his views.
But the League's chief executive Richard Scudamore will be delighted to see Sir Alex's comments as it lends even greater weight to his equitable model, a stark contrast to the situation in Spain where La Liga's lack of collective solidarity has allowed Real Madrid and Barcelona to take the lion's share of TV revenues and thus turn the competition into an annual two horse race."
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What were you saying again
"Liverpool's motive is greed, pure and simple, and removing collective bargaining would have a damaging impact on the national game as we know it. Indeed, if it reduces the competitiveness of the league even further - and we are already in a situation where only a few clubs can win the thing - then long-term it may render the Premier League unattractive as a product."
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Call it greed if you like but it is in liverpools interest to increase revenue stream, now more than ever due to FFP.
Ian Ayre's job is to do this so if he didnt explore this route then he would not be doing his job properly.
And how would it damage the national team? The proposal is to have a similar set up to Spain and their national team seems to be doing pretty well.
Albert - it doesn't matter what Fergie says or thinks. If the Glazers were to get a sniff of individual TV contracts then they would be on board quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. We all know that when it comes to Principles, the Glazers think it's a ladies clothes shop!
Competition makes for a better product or market - this has always been the case and always will be.
Liverpool are on the slide and Ayre knows this - by suggesting bargaining seperately he is trying to hold back the tide of their relative decline and ensure the "Big 4" remain for ever more. This is financial doping pure and simple.
How dare that Ian Ayre do his job well if the opportunity arises!
It's people like him that have brought this Country to its knees.
Next thing we'll have to subscribe to watch certain matches on the television!
Perhaps a lot of posters on this issue should have a look how the money generated from UK television rights is distributed among the clubs. Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
I have got to say that I am quite sick of you. You come on the Utd board, banging on, talking sense and backing it up and stuff.
Have you not read the article title man!!!!!
Jesus wept.
@Robbing_Hoody (U6374) -
Silly me
Under current rules, 14 teams would need to vote in favour of any new arrangements.
is this such a bad thing? if all of the teams set up their own channels then you could watch your team everyweek, not have to rely on sky to pick whcih matches to show. it would also likely be cheaper than paying for sky sports, just paying to watch your team.
I don't currently have a subscription to sky sports because it is simply too much, but if united showed their matches live on mutv online or on their tv channel and it was cheaper, which i suspect it would be, i would subscribe in a heartbeat.
may i also point out that this already happens to an extent in the nhl in america and canada, where the toronto maple leafs have their own tv channel, where they show approx. 20 (out of 82) games per season. i see this as just the next logical step in tv football rights.
newWayne, Mr Ayre doesnt stand a chance then.
Good news!
Now he can go and build on Liverpools 'massive' global brand to make extra cash for the stadium... oh wait, I'm sorry thats the whole problem, Liverpool cant exploit there global brand as its been erroding for over 20 years.
No money for their stadium so they think its ok to steal off the poor.
Surprised? I'm not.
I think the simple solution will be that top 4 clubs should share the revenue of the matches they play amongst.
Foreign audience watch only those matches in numbers
To be fair, you can not blame Liverpool for this.
They have seen Chelsea and City overtake them due to their owners bottom less money pits.
Liverpool has to have CL football, or else they will be a relatively forgotten issue in ten years time.
It is now a scrap between Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool for that fourth spot, and you can not blame Liverpool for trying to get the upper hand by any means.
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 8 minutes ago
Perhaps a lot of posters on this issue should have a look how the money generated from UK television rights is distributed among the clubs. Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
_______________________________
Maybe so, but bring in individual bargaining, and this gap would increase far, far greater than it is now.
LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
Well, okay then, but, well, just stop spreading that filthy truth or you and me will have words lad!
Albert Morgan (U1655)
How do you feel about the fact Man Utd get more money from the English commercial rights than Swansea?
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
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what ewxactly do you mean by that?
@Albert Morgan (U1655) -
What's amusing is that if it was an idea from Utd then you would be 100% behind it. You would waffle on about how it was just about Utd flexing their power as the world's biggest and most powerful club.
I wouldn't say too much however. The Glaziers have probably e-mailed every broadcaster in the Far East this morning
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
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Yes but the gap between the top teams (I think Utd and Chelsea earn £60m from League TV rights) and the bottom teams are much smaller than in La Liga. Where Madrid and Barca I think earn over £150m, therefore giving them a MUCH bigger advantage financially over the smaller teams in their league. Which contributes to the lack of competitiveness in Spain.
Robbing - fine thanks. You?
The difference at present is minimal compared to what Utd could get if we sold our owns rights, both at home and abroad.
If that was the case we'd smash everyone out the water.
Which would be dreadful for the Premier League.
comment by Jezzer (U4205)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
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what ewxactly do you mean by that?
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This is not hard to work out, given the subject of this debate. And if you can not work it out, I am not going to waste time on you.
i'm a united fan, and i support what liverpool are trying to do, and i would like united to follow suit. i see club specific team rights to be the future of football broadcasting.
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posted on 12/10/11
I wouldn't put it past either Chelsea or Utd to do the same to be honest.
posted on 12/10/11
Your lad (with the red nose) has already spoken of it...
...kettle...pot....blackthere is a saying in there somewhere but i cant quite put my finger on it....??!!
posted on 12/10/11
Scouse heart, as i explained to another Liverpool fans this morning - (taken from BBC interview last month)
"At no point in the interview does he call for United to get a larger chunk of the overseas rights. In fact he goes on to say that "it's fair" to have an equal share.
With the club's owners, the Glazer family, increasingly looking abroad for revenues and planning a share flotation in Singapore, Sir Alex's employers may take issue with his views.
But the League's chief executive Richard Scudamore will be delighted to see Sir Alex's comments as it lends even greater weight to his equitable model, a stark contrast to the situation in Spain where La Liga's lack of collective solidarity has allowed Real Madrid and Barcelona to take the lion's share of TV revenues and thus turn the competition into an annual two horse race."
----------------------------------------
What were you saying again
posted on 12/10/11
"Liverpool's motive is greed, pure and simple, and removing collective bargaining would have a damaging impact on the national game as we know it. Indeed, if it reduces the competitiveness of the league even further - and we are already in a situation where only a few clubs can win the thing - then long-term it may render the Premier League unattractive as a product."
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Call it greed if you like but it is in liverpools interest to increase revenue stream, now more than ever due to FFP.
Ian Ayre's job is to do this so if he didnt explore this route then he would not be doing his job properly.
And how would it damage the national team? The proposal is to have a similar set up to Spain and their national team seems to be doing pretty well.
posted on 12/10/11
Albert - it doesn't matter what Fergie says or thinks. If the Glazers were to get a sniff of individual TV contracts then they would be on board quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. We all know that when it comes to Principles, the Glazers think it's a ladies clothes shop!
posted on 12/10/11
Competition makes for a better product or market - this has always been the case and always will be.
Liverpool are on the slide and Ayre knows this - by suggesting bargaining seperately he is trying to hold back the tide of their relative decline and ensure the "Big 4" remain for ever more. This is financial doping pure and simple.
posted on 12/10/11
How dare that Ian Ayre do his job well if the opportunity arises!
It's people like him that have brought this Country to its knees.
Next thing we'll have to subscribe to watch certain matches on the television!
posted on 12/10/11
Perhaps a lot of posters on this issue should have a look how the money generated from UK television rights is distributed among the clubs. Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
posted on 12/10/11
LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
I have got to say that I am quite sick of you. You come on the Utd board, banging on, talking sense and backing it up and stuff.
Have you not read the article title man!!!!!
Jesus wept.
posted on 12/10/11
@Robbing_Hoody (U6374) -
Silly me
posted on 12/10/11
^
posted on 12/10/11
Under current rules, 14 teams would need to vote in favour of any new arrangements.
posted on 12/10/11
is this such a bad thing? if all of the teams set up their own channels then you could watch your team everyweek, not have to rely on sky to pick whcih matches to show. it would also likely be cheaper than paying for sky sports, just paying to watch your team.
I don't currently have a subscription to sky sports because it is simply too much, but if united showed their matches live on mutv online or on their tv channel and it was cheaper, which i suspect it would be, i would subscribe in a heartbeat.
may i also point out that this already happens to an extent in the nhl in america and canada, where the toronto maple leafs have their own tv channel, where they show approx. 20 (out of 82) games per season. i see this as just the next logical step in tv football rights.
posted on 12/10/11
newWayne, Mr Ayre doesnt stand a chance then.
Good news!
Now he can go and build on Liverpools 'massive' global brand to make extra cash for the stadium... oh wait, I'm sorry thats the whole problem, Liverpool cant exploit there global brand as its been erroding for over 20 years.
No money for their stadium so they think its ok to steal off the poor.
Surprised? I'm not.
posted on 12/10/11
I think the simple solution will be that top 4 clubs should share the revenue of the matches they play amongst.
Foreign audience watch only those matches in numbers
posted on 12/10/11
To be fair, you can not blame Liverpool for this.
They have seen Chelsea and City overtake them due to their owners bottom less money pits.
Liverpool has to have CL football, or else they will be a relatively forgotten issue in ten years time.
It is now a scrap between Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool for that fourth spot, and you can not blame Liverpool for trying to get the upper hand by any means.
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
posted on 12/10/11
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 8 minutes ago
Perhaps a lot of posters on this issue should have a look how the money generated from UK television rights is distributed among the clubs. Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
_______________________________
Maybe so, but bring in individual bargaining, and this gap would increase far, far greater than it is now.
posted on 12/10/11
LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
Well, okay then, but, well, just stop spreading that filthy truth or you and me will have words lad!
Albert Morgan (U1655)
How do you feel about the fact Man Utd get more money from the English commercial rights than Swansea?
posted on 12/10/11
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
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what ewxactly do you mean by that?
posted on 12/10/11
@Albert Morgan (U1655) -
What's amusing is that if it was an idea from Utd then you would be 100% behind it. You would waffle on about how it was just about Utd flexing their power as the world's biggest and most powerful club.
I wouldn't say too much however. The Glaziers have probably e-mailed every broadcaster in the Far East this morning
posted on 12/10/11
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
Do you honestly think that clubs in the bottom half of the league are receiving as much revenue as the clubs in the top half?
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Yes but the gap between the top teams (I think Utd and Chelsea earn £60m from League TV rights) and the bottom teams are much smaller than in La Liga. Where Madrid and Barca I think earn over £150m, therefore giving them a MUCH bigger advantage financially over the smaller teams in their league. Which contributes to the lack of competitiveness in Spain.
posted on 12/10/11
Robbing - fine thanks. You?
The difference at present is minimal compared to what Utd could get if we sold our owns rights, both at home and abroad.
If that was the case we'd smash everyone out the water.
Which would be dreadful for the Premier League.
posted on 12/10/11
comment by Jezzer (U4205)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, none of us want to see the PL ending up like La Liga.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
what ewxactly do you mean by that?
.............................................
This is not hard to work out, given the subject of this debate. And if you can not work it out, I am not going to waste time on you.
posted on 12/10/11
i'm a united fan, and i support what liverpool are trying to do, and i would like united to follow suit. i see club specific team rights to be the future of football broadcasting.
posted on 12/10/11
Snoop's got it bang on!
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