comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bruno and yes, Dalot were our best players yesterday.
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I'd add Ugarte to that list, despite his culpability in the first goal we conceded. His pass unlocking the move that led to Maguire's chance was another example of his use of the ball being considerably better than we expected.

By the way, I assume that not many others have talk about Dalot's performance yesterday comes down to a reluctance to credit a player they hate.

Ugarte was very, very good first half.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
Reckless rather than violent
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I still prefer 'thuggish'. Reckless implies not taking enough care to avoid the foul, whereas the footage shows his face positively lighting up with glee as he barges into De Ligt, with no thought of the ball. 'Violent' implies a good chance of injury, and I don't think this fits either.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
Reckless rather than violent
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I still prefer 'thuggish'. Reckless implies not taking enough care to avoid the foul, whereas the footage shows his face positively lighting up with glee as he barges into De Ligt, with no thought of the ball. 'Violent' implies a good chance of injury, and I don't think this fits either.
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Yeah, spot on tbh. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Thought the ‘challenge’ on Gordon vs Spurs was far worse fwiw

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bruno and yes, Dalot were our best players yesterday.
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I'd add Ugarte to that list, despite his culpability in the first goal we conceded. His pass unlocking the move that led to Maguire's chance was another example of his use of the ball being considerably better than we expected.

By the way, I assume that not many others have talk about Dalot's performance yesterday comes down to a reluctance to credit a player they hate.
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He's another who is playing in an unfamiliar position and a lot is being asked of him. I feel he is more of a useful utility squad player rather than out and out first choice, but given he is fit and more reliable than others, he is doing the best he can.

But I agree that it seems to suit some not to praise a player when he does well for us, if he isn't flavour of the month.

Ugarte, Bruno and Dalot were the 3 standout for me yesterday, but an overall great team performance, even those that didn't play well, they are still part of the team

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bruno and yes, Dalot were our best players yesterday.
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I'd add Ugarte to that list, despite his culpability in the first goal we conceded. His pass unlocking the move that led to Maguire's chance was another example of his use of the ball being considerably better than we expected.

By the way, I assume that not many others have talk about Dalot's performance yesterday comes down to a reluctance to credit a player they hate.
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I think I praised him and have been a defender of him in the past! I think he could turn out to be a very valuable squad member under Amorim as he can cover LWB, RWB, LCB and RCB IMO.

It's quite funny sometimes too as the qualities some posters seem to think the team lacks (heart, fight, effort, availability) he has! I'm hoping with proper coaching he could kick on even more.

The handball rule can feck off. Complete joke these days.
A ball was deflected into his hand at pace. It wouldn't have hit his hand were it not for the deflection. PENALTY!

There should be some common sense applied in these scenarios but unfortunately there isn't.

Obviously, you're at the top of my list of haters, Diafol!

I do think Dalot's future at United is more uncertain under Amorim than it would have been under ETH. His profile isn't suited to being a natural wing back. That said, he played really well yesterday (albeit up against a weak link in Liverpool's defence), he might be a bit of a utility player as he can play both sides and at a stretch could cover at DM, and (as you said) isn't one of the players who lacks the personal and athletic qualities we are generally trying to instil in the squad. In addition, I think I'm right in saying Amorim seems to have him cutting inside in possession more often than what I understand to be his model for wing backs at Sporting, so we could be seeing some tactical adaptation to get more of what he's good at. All in all, I'd be surprised to see us prioritising his sale, though it could be that in our PSR straightjacket he's a player we can't afford not to cash in on to fund the squad building we need.

I think the current team we had yesterday is closest to the strongest we can play. You could bring in Yoro to swap in the back 3, but the rest of the team generally picks itself.
If Shaw was fit, he would probably challenge for LCB instead of Martinez.
In a fit squad, options from the bench would be Garnacho and Mount, altho Mount still needs to convince me.
But the likes of Eriksen and Cas are a drop down, but can be useful squad players. But it doesn't take too many injuries and the team is then fairly weak.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 minutes ago
Obviously, you're at the top of my list of haters, Diafol!

I do think Dalot's future at United is more uncertain under Amorim than it would have been under ETH. His profile isn't suited to being a natural wing back. That said, he played really well yesterday (albeit up against a weak link in Liverpool's defence), he might be a bit of a utility player as he can play both sides and at a stretch could cover at DM, and (as you said) isn't one of the players who lacks the personal and athletic qualities we are generally trying to instil in the squad. In addition, I think I'm right in saying Amorim seems to have him cutting inside in possession more often than what I understand to be his model for wing backs at Sporting, so we could be seeing some tactical adaptation to get more of what he's good at. All in all, I'd be surprised to see us prioritising his sale, though it could be that in our PSR straightjacket he's a player we can't afford not to cash in on to fund the squad building we need.
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Perhaps Real will go for him rather than TAA!

I do think he's a player Amorim will appreciate though. I liked his directness yesterday and his intent to take on his opposite full back. I think he could do that on the right too.

His profile isn't suited to playing football
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Spot on, RR.

He’s also only just back from injury and left Anfield with ice strapped to his leg.

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That was just to prevent the ice from being stolen

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
His profile isn't suited to playing football
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Spot on, RR.
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The main reason I want him to stay is to рiss you off, Dazza

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s also only just back from injury and left Anfield with ice strapped to his leg.

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That was just to prevent the ice from being stolen


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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
His profile isn't suited to playing football
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Spot on, RR.
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The main reason I want him to stay is to рiss you off, Dazza
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Don’t worry, even if he does go, Manchester United will find plenty of other ways to piiiiss me off.

De Ligt has been decent for us. I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. And that's in the context of coming into a new league, playing under three different managers in that time with different systems and at a period in which we're struggling for confidence, form and quality.

He certainly did overcommit out of desperation against Gakpo - I think he has that in his game which I'd like to see ironed out over time. The handball was a bit unlucky... it happens.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Surprised he’s done so poorly tbh, thought he was a good signing.

Sent to the shops by Gakpo and the handball was amateur. Deservedly hooked.
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He really hasn’t done poorly, at all. Anyone who has watched all of our games will tell you that he’s been the best of our starting CBs so far this season (Mazraoui aside, if people want to count him).

Steady, consistent, decent in the air, pushes out well and very consistent in his passing. Doesn’t have very good acceleration, but he’ll settle as our CCB eventually I think.
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He’s been average imo and I’ve watched maybe 8 Utd games this season. Forest have better cbs going on this seasons performances.

I felt he was deservedly hooked. Utterly sold himself by over committing Gakpo, particularly when you consider everyone knows that is exactly was Gakpo is going to do.

James Justin, who is a terrible defender, did the exact same thing last week… over committed himself and went to ground.

The handball was just daft.

I don’t know if you are watching other teams??? I do remember thinking Lucas was steady in midfield for us once upon a time.
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I thought the handball was unlucky. He was trying to change his momentum in the other direction after Martinez flicked it on with his header. His hand came out as a result and then it was headed onto his hand from close range.

With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet, but Ugarte was more to blame rushing out and leaving all that space in behind. De Ligt went to try and make the block and also had 2 other defenders in and around him who might have also got a block in.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bruno and yes, Dalot were our best players yesterday.
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I'd add Ugarte to that list, despite his culpability in the first goal we conceded. His pass unlocking the move that led to Maguire's chance was another example of his use of the ball being considerably better than we expected.

By the way, I assume that not many others have talk about Dalot's performance yesterday comes down to a reluctance to credit a player they hate.
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Well of course it is. Imagine being like that. Also Im pretty sure that many fans dont actually know what they are watching also.

"With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet"

Not sure I agree with this, in full speed De Ligt is trying to make up ground and he can't just stop and turn on a 6 pence, he's a big lad.

"but Ugarte was more to blame rushing out and leaving all that space in behind."

Yeah, this happens though, he was trying to get back into position, good play by liverpool there imo.

Funny how De Ligt is now the villain after a bad game though, for the past 3 weeks it's been Martinez.

Long term, we know we want Yoro to fill that spot anyway.

De Ligt isn't terrible but he's also not been good enough for Juventus or Bayern to want to hold on to him.

Those warning signs were there. As United aim to progress he's a squad player.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet"

Not sure I agree with this, in full speed De Ligt is trying to make up ground and he can't just stop and turn on a 6 pence, he's a big lad.

"but Ugarte was more to blame rushing out and leaving all that space in behind."

Yeah, this happens though, he was trying to get back into position, good play by liverpool there imo.
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I thought that he had got himself into a position where he could have stuck his leg out without sliding. Gakpo didn't have much to aim at from the angle he was at, so there was a good chance he was going to look to cut back inside. As a defender there I am always going to try and keep the player on the outside and trust in my keeper to cover the goal.

As for Ugarte, he left a man completely free to run into and area that was already quite congested. It was a a nice ball through, but Ugarte created the space for Liverpool.

"With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet"

Not sure I agree with this, in full speed De Ligt is trying to make up ground and he can't just stop and turn on a 6 pence, he's a big lad.
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Yeah. It's one of those - if Gakpo decides to take it with his left foot and De Ligt doesn't go full stretch to block it, he'd also get criticised.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 5 minutes ago
"With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet"

Not sure I agree with this, in full speed De Ligt is trying to make up ground and he can't just stop and turn on a 6 pence, he's a big lad.
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Yeah. It's one of those - if Gakpo decides to take it with his left foot and De Ligt doesn't go full stretch to block it, he'd also get criticised.
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I think as a defender there, you keep them on the outside on the tight angle. It has to be some finish to beat the keeper from that kind of angle. Once he cuts back inside be opens up the whole of the goal for himself.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 5 minutes ago
"With Gakpo's goal he could have stayed on his feet"

Not sure I agree with this, in full speed De Ligt is trying to make up ground and he can't just stop and turn on a 6 pence, he's a big lad.
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Yeah. It's one of those - if Gakpo decides to take it with his left foot and De Ligt doesn't go full stretch to block it, he'd also get criticised.
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I think as a defender there, you keep them on the outside on the tight angle. It has to be some finish to beat the keeper from that kind of angle. Once he cuts back inside be opens up the whole of the goal for himself.
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Would have to look again but I think the danger from Gakpo's left foot would've been the ball across goal rather than a shot. In which case, from that position, I think you've got to do what you have to do to get across and stop it, and the risk of the attacker chopping back inside.

Would just put it down to really good play from Gakpo tbh - even afterwards it's an excellent finish.