comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
On Diafol's recommendation, I followed the link to the Arsenal match thread for some light entertainment. I also learned from D'Jeezus that the failure to punish Ugarte's brutal headbutt wasn't the only rank injustice meted out against Arsenal yesterday.

I *think* this related to the build-up to Bruno's goal:

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 hours, 39 minutes ago
HANDBALL!!!!

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 hours, 39 minutes ago
Clearly controlled that with his hand. Where is VAR???

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This was after Saliba went down after Hojlund wrestled free from what appeared to be an attempted sexual assault:

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 hours, 33 minutes ago
ELBOW!!!!

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 hours, 32 minutes ago
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comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again(U8398) (U8398)
posted less than a minute ago
nothing on saliba
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Yeah, that is why blood is piiiissing out of him.
Blatant foul, ref is having a mare. Missing everything.

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This is about the penalty award:

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 hours, 20 minutes ago

Clear foul ffs. Dangles a leg.
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The incident that really annoyed me was Saliba clutching his face claiming that Hojlund elbowed him - barely grazed him and went down like a sack of spu ds. It's incidents like this that need to be retrospectively punished against all teams - our players will have done in other games, but there's no point having a go at just one team

"Grazed" enough to draw blood causing the ref to order Saliba to go off at a corner to have it dressed...

comment by Maximus Decimus Meridius (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 38 seconds ago
Oh and to hear fans of the bigger clubs complain about VAR, hilarious. Wolves fans could write a book.
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and yet your club voted to keep it going
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Que? We were the only ones that voted to stop. the only 19 spineless cants didn't want any of it?!?!


Wolves have said they are "disappointed" but "acknowledge and accept the decision" made by Premier League clubs to keep video assistant referees [VAR] in England's top flight next season. Clubs voted 19-1 in favour of keeping VAR with Wolves, who triggered the vote, the only team wanting to scrap the system.Jun 6, 2024

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Maximus Decimus Meridius (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 38 seconds ago
Oh and to hear fans of the bigger clubs complain about VAR, hilarious. Wolves fans could write a book.
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and yet your club voted to keep it going
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Que? We were the only ones that voted to stop. the only 19 spineless cants didn't want any of it?!?!


Wolves have said they are "disappointed" but "acknowledge and accept the decision" made by Premier League clubs to keep video assistant referees [VAR] in England's top flight next season. Clubs voted 19-1 in favour of keeping VAR with Wolves, who triggered the vote, the only team wanting to scrap the system.Jun 6, 2024
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Oh my bad I think it was Forest then?

Of course we paid for that vote with more dodgy BS against us

https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1849732199823650896

By the way. Laughable

Oh and to hear fans of the bigger clubs complain about VAR, hilarious. Wolves fans could write a book.
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Arsenal have suffered more than most from wrong VAR calls (ie apology inducing errors acknowledged by PGMOL) but VAR isn't the issue and getting rid of it isn't the answer. It is the PGMOL that needs questioning, not the system they misuse.

I would rather all the controversies and talking points without VAR than the ones with.

Get it in the bin

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
"Grazed" enough to draw blood causing the ref to order Saliba to go off at a corner to have it dressed...
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You don't need to smack someone to draw blood. Even if you have a cut, you don't hold your face like a baby and like you have been hit by a boxer. All players do it, it's embarrassing. I think you are wumming a wee bit, because you are normally a sensible poster, but don't try to make excuses for players when there aren't any.

There has been many a game when Bruno reacts or whinges like he has been shot, i don't like that either.

But Havertz really did take it to the limit yesterday, and Saliba was no better

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and to hear fans of the bigger clubs complain about VAR, hilarious. Wolves fans could write a book.
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Arsenal have suffered more than most from wrong VAR calls (ie apology inducing errors acknowledged by PGMOL) but VAR isn't the issue and getting rid of it isn't the answer. It is the PGMOL that needs questioning, not the system they misuse.
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Table I just posted shows you on zero and us on minus 13 ffs

That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.
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Cinci in tears

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.
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My bad, wrong tsble, there is kne out there with wrong calls thrown in since inception and we are like minus 20 something, miles ahead of next nearest.

Just found this one for this season, wrong var decisions apparently

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.
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My bad, wrong tsble, there is kne out there with wrong calls thrown in since inception and we are like minus 20 something, miles ahead of next nearest.

Just found this one for this season, wrong var decisions apparently

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
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Looks pretty inconsequential tbh

So we’ve concluded refs are out there trying to favour wolves and we’ve had to bring technology in to stop it.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.
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My bad, wrong tsble, there is kne out there with wrong calls thrown in since inception and we are like minus 20 something, miles ahead of next nearest.

Just found this one for this season, wrong var decisions apparently

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
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Looks pretty inconsequential tbh
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Really?

One decision can be the difference between 1 point and 3, kind of important. And Top and bottom of that table have 8 decision difference ffs

comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 19 seconds ago
So we’ve concluded refs are out there trying to favour wolves and we’ve had to bring technology in to stop it.
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Ffs Mike

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 minutes ago
"Grazed" enough to draw blood causing the ref to order Saliba to go off at a corner to have it dressed...
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In that incident Saliba was hugging Hojlund tightly from behind and the only way he could free himself was by rotating his body. He chose to do that rather than give up on trying to play football and accept the foul. Yeah, Saliba was caught, but not with any intention to hurt him, and only as a direct consequence of illegal contact on his part. Saliba proceeded directly from fouling his opponent to attempting to get him sent off.

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That table doesn’t show wrong calls, it shows goals chalked off.
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My bad, wrong tsble, there is kne out there with wrong calls thrown in since inception and we are like minus 20 something, miles ahead of next nearest.

Just found this one for this season, wrong var decisions apparently

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
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Looks pretty inconsequential tbh
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Really?

One decision can be the difference between 1 point and 3, kind of important. And Top and bottom of that table have 8 decision difference ffs
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Yeah, like that time when Hwang should have been sent off for a second yellow but stayed on to score the winner against us.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 minutes ago
"Grazed" enough to draw blood causing the ref to order Saliba to go off at a corner to have it dressed...
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In that incident Saliba was hugging Hojlund tightly from behind and the only way he could free himself was by rotating his body. He chose to do that rather than give up on trying to play football and accept the foul. Yeah, Saliba was caught, but not with any intention to hurt him, and only as a direct consequence of illegal contact on his part. Saliba proceeded directly from fouling his opponent to attempting to get him sent off.
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The problem is that once someone believes there's a conspiracy against them, no amount of truth or reasoning will shake that belief. You're better off not engaging with them.

Completely agree OP

comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 minutes ago
"Grazed" enough to draw blood causing the ref to order Saliba to go off at a corner to have it dressed...
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In that incident Saliba was hugging Hojlund tightly from behind and the only way he could free himself was by rotating his body. He chose to do that rather than give up on trying to play football and accept the foul. Yeah, Saliba was caught, but not with any intention to hurt him, and only as a direct consequence of illegal contact on his part. Saliba proceeded directly from fouling his opponent to attempting to get him sent off.
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The problem is that once someone believes there's a conspiracy against them, no amount of truth or reasoning will shake that belief. You're better off not engaging with them.
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Even if I'm thoroughly enjoying it?

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 48 minutes ago
VAR would be fine if it did what they said it would do. Correct clear and obvious errors. It doesn't do that though and we spend three minutes seeing if somebody's kneecap was a cm ahead of another guys foot ffs.

Wouldn't even mind if they just used it for penalty decisions honestly but rewinding the play thirty seconds to pick up an innocuous foul on the half way line 20 seconds prior?! Seriously?!?
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Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offsides, nobody ever said it did.

Offsides are a factual call.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 48 minutes ago
VAR would be fine if it did what they said it would do. Correct clear and obvious errors. It doesn't do that though and we spend three minutes seeing if somebody's kneecap was a cm ahead of another guys foot ffs.

Wouldn't even mind if they just used it for penalty decisions honestly but rewinding the play thirty seconds to pick up an innocuous foul on the half way line 20 seconds prior?! Seriously?!?
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Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offsides, nobody ever said it did.

Offsides are a factual call.
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None of what he says is the fault of VAR. It's still the refs being incompetent while using VAR. Removing VAR so that those same incompetent refs can have their way entirely is daft.

comment by Mamba - A tiger does not proclaim his tigritud... (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 48 minutes ago
VAR would be fine if it did what they said it would do. Correct clear and obvious errors. It doesn't do that though and we spend three minutes seeing if somebody's kneecap was a cm ahead of another guys foot ffs.

Wouldn't even mind if they just used it for penalty decisions honestly but rewinding the play thirty seconds to pick up an innocuous foul on the half way line 20 seconds prior?! Seriously?!?
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Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offsides, nobody ever said it did.

Offsides are a factual call.
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None of what he says is the fault of VAR. It's still the refs being incompetent while using VAR. Removing VAR so that those same incompetent refs can have their way entirely is daft.
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I mean going back 20 seconds is extremely rare also but if the referee has made a clear and obvious error in the build up to a goal it should absolutely be chalked off.