2005/6 BillyBobTaunton Barcelona beat Arsenal in the final hardly liverpool being best is it. They won it the year before.
Billybob given all the flaws I have pointed out in your system surely it is better to suggest that last few (or lots of) years United have been the power in Manchester but they are not currently the form team in Manchester ?
Ohh and it is commonly agreed that cups are based alot more on luck and one off games than league football... generally you can say the best team wins the league but cup competitions are a little different...
Seimpre I think regardless of their wealth the new FFP regulations will slow their spending right down. Right now they have a good young capable side but as players move on they will struggle to get in replacements of equal quality as money will be a lot tighter...
It will also mean when they make a bad signing they will have to stick with it and make it work rather than take a huge loss and bring in another superstar. Of course they will stick around near the top but it will be very difficult for them to maintain this current sqauds ability..
hafijur (U6578)
Thank you for backing up my point!
BillyBobTaunton
hafijur
Thank you for backing up my point!
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And you thought I was like a dog with a bone, you cant get rid of him today!!!
maybe he is thinking of switching from Liverpool to City ?
7best
I think we are debating a term rather than the merits of each club.
I have a problem with the term, 'the best'...my understanding is that that term refers to who is currently the better team...as far as I am concerned that is City, you may argue that their lack of major trophies negates this....as i said, we are debating terminology.
United are the best team with regards to past trophies, City are the best team with regards to present standing!
U ok with that?
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BillyBobTaunton
well done Billy, thats what I call a good compromise can we all go to bed now
red666
hafjur is like a really thick dog that follows you on the street, you keep telling it to go away, yet it still follows you barking the same nonsensical woof!
He gives United fans a bad name, I know a few of you lot have told/asked him to shut up...but he just keeps going on and on and on, its painful to read!
I like debating? with almost all of you guys, but you can see how/why I find it difficult at times to not criticise, when you have chumps like him hanging around!
BillyBobTaunton
I know fella, is he really a United fan I aint sure.
Did We get to the bottom of the Evra and Suarez issue only joking mate
red666
I didn't see you comment before I posted my last, yeah it was a compromise, go to bed mate...no doubt I will 'debate' with you tomorrow!
Billy TBH I am wondering about Hafijur... he makes United look so bad surely he cannot be a United fan... I suppose he could but he is pretty twisted...
Well I suppose its the term is the debate then, I already said in an earlier post City are the form team so if we use that as a basis then its them... if we use recent glory then its quite easily United... if we use a mix its probably United again
7best
I guess hafjur is a 'new' United fan, he certainly does not fit the description of what I deem as a 'proper' United fan.
That is, people who know their club and understand that football is/has been good and bad, people who recognise good times but can also appreciate bad times and recognize that United are not infallible, people who can criticise their club knowing that their criticism is, or is believed to be constructive etc etc
He is just an idiot imo who lacks the necessary attributes to be a United fan...
To get back to your last point about City/United, I can honestly not see anything other than City winning the PL this year, they are too strong imo, the derby result was a one-off with regards to the scoreline but I did fancy City to win that game, a six-pointer imo!
Anyway, you guys have been spoilt with success, it's time it was shared around, unfortunately, or fortunately for you lot the arabs plumped for City, imagine if they had gone for Liverpool...
Jesus lads! a power shift would mean City finishing above United CONSISTENTLY over a number of years, for the power to have shifted, not beating United in 9th game of a 38 game season.
TBH like I said in an article I wrote the defeats make the victorys all the sweeter...
United fans really have been spoilt over the years, City fans are starting to notice themselves that its slowly happening to them (that is if they are not beating 'lowly' teams the fans can get anxious and unhappy whereas before they would have just been more supportive of the team)
I do still think United can win the title, I am certainly not as confident as I was of it before I probably wouldn't write I think United will win the title (and believe it) but then I wouldn't write the same about City...
It may be more hope than belief but atm I am unsure... City do look pretty unstoppable at the moment though...
bruceandpally
I actually think the 'power shift' has already happened!
City can now outbid, outpay and can go after targets that United can not afford.
The fact that United have more replica trophies in their cabinet than City clearly does not hinder City's ability to attract the very best players, United used to have the most money and could spend more than their rivals, e.g Rio, Rooney...now City have the advantage, swings and roundabouts!
You are changing the conditions once again Billybob, now you are using cash as the decider on the best club in Manchester ?
In that case it has been City for the last few years but slowly it is coming back around to United, as the FFP rules draw closer City will have to rely on their own money (like City do) but the difference is United earn more (even with Uniteds debts and Citys big sponsorship deal) and spend less... so over the next few years we will have alot more spare cash floating around to spend on extra wages or transfer fees...
Whether we will go out and use that extra money is another matter though... we do mostly go for young talent than big name stars (usually seen as stars in the making but more Aguero of a good few years ago purchase than this summer)
Err my first brackets should be (like United do) not (like City do)
Billybob
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I just think the shift should relate to what happens on the pitch, once City get the upper hand (consistently) and compete with United, and beat United over a prolonged period of time then a power shift would have occured, in my opinion anyway.
I agree with the "swings and roundabouts" comment at the end though, i commented on an article a few hours after the game saying that a result like this could actually be good for some of our fans and supporters, no team can have it there own way all the time ,sometimes you get mauled at home,but you get behind the team even more and move on. It's already been said, but us United supporters have been spoilt over the past 20 years or so and if City do take over it will hopefully separate the 'true' reds from the johnny come lately fans and i will actually be able to get a ticket to an away match once in a 'blue moon'......pun intended btw.
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posted on 25/10/11
2005/6 BillyBobTaunton Barcelona beat Arsenal in the final hardly liverpool being best is it. They won it the year before.
posted on 25/10/11
Billybob given all the flaws I have pointed out in your system surely it is better to suggest that last few (or lots of) years United have been the power in Manchester but they are not currently the form team in Manchester ?
Ohh and it is commonly agreed that cups are based alot more on luck and one off games than league football... generally you can say the best team wins the league but cup competitions are a little different...
posted on 25/10/11
Seimpre I think regardless of their wealth the new FFP regulations will slow their spending right down. Right now they have a good young capable side but as players move on they will struggle to get in replacements of equal quality as money will be a lot tighter...
It will also mean when they make a bad signing they will have to stick with it and make it work rather than take a huge loss and bring in another superstar. Of course they will stick around near the top but it will be very difficult for them to maintain this current sqauds ability..
posted on 25/10/11
hafijur (U6578)
Thank you for backing up my point!
posted on 25/10/11
BillyBobTaunton
hafijur
Thank you for backing up my point!
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And you thought I was like a dog with a bone, you cant get rid of him today!!!
posted on 25/10/11
maybe he is thinking of switching from Liverpool to City ?
posted on 25/10/11
7best
I think we are debating a term rather than the merits of each club.
I have a problem with the term, 'the best'...my understanding is that that term refers to who is currently the better team...as far as I am concerned that is City, you may argue that their lack of major trophies negates this....as i said, we are debating terminology.
United are the best team with regards to past trophies, City are the best team with regards to present standing!
U ok with that?
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posted on 25/10/11
BillyBobTaunton
well done Billy, thats what I call a good compromise can we all go to bed now
posted on 25/10/11
red666
hafjur is like a really thick dog that follows you on the street, you keep telling it to go away, yet it still follows you barking the same nonsensical woof!
He gives United fans a bad name, I know a few of you lot have told/asked him to shut up...but he just keeps going on and on and on, its painful to read!
I like debating? with almost all of you guys, but you can see how/why I find it difficult at times to not criticise, when you have chumps like him hanging around!
posted on 25/10/11
BillyBobTaunton
I know fella, is he really a United fan I aint sure.
Did We get to the bottom of the Evra and Suarez issue only joking mate
posted on 25/10/11
red666
I didn't see you comment before I posted my last, yeah it was a compromise, go to bed mate...no doubt I will 'debate' with you tomorrow!
posted on 25/10/11
Billy TBH I am wondering about Hafijur... he makes United look so bad surely he cannot be a United fan... I suppose he could but he is pretty twisted...
Well I suppose its the term is the debate then, I already said in an earlier post City are the form team so if we use that as a basis then its them... if we use recent glory then its quite easily United... if we use a mix its probably United again
posted on 25/10/11
Goodnight
posted on 25/10/11
7best
I guess hafjur is a 'new' United fan, he certainly does not fit the description of what I deem as a 'proper' United fan.
That is, people who know their club and understand that football is/has been good and bad, people who recognise good times but can also appreciate bad times and recognize that United are not infallible, people who can criticise their club knowing that their criticism is, or is believed to be constructive etc etc
He is just an idiot imo who lacks the necessary attributes to be a United fan...
To get back to your last point about City/United, I can honestly not see anything other than City winning the PL this year, they are too strong imo, the derby result was a one-off with regards to the scoreline but I did fancy City to win that game, a six-pointer imo!
Anyway, you guys have been spoilt with success, it's time it was shared around, unfortunately, or fortunately for you lot the arabs plumped for City, imagine if they had gone for Liverpool...
posted on 25/10/11
Jesus lads! a power shift would mean City finishing above United CONSISTENTLY over a number of years, for the power to have shifted, not beating United in 9th game of a 38 game season.
posted on 25/10/11
TBH like I said in an article I wrote the defeats make the victorys all the sweeter...
United fans really have been spoilt over the years, City fans are starting to notice themselves that its slowly happening to them (that is if they are not beating 'lowly' teams the fans can get anxious and unhappy whereas before they would have just been more supportive of the team)
I do still think United can win the title, I am certainly not as confident as I was of it before I probably wouldn't write I think United will win the title (and believe it) but then I wouldn't write the same about City...
It may be more hope than belief but atm I am unsure... City do look pretty unstoppable at the moment though...
posted on 25/10/11
bruceandpally
I actually think the 'power shift' has already happened!
City can now outbid, outpay and can go after targets that United can not afford.
The fact that United have more replica trophies in their cabinet than City clearly does not hinder City's ability to attract the very best players, United used to have the most money and could spend more than their rivals, e.g Rio, Rooney...now City have the advantage, swings and roundabouts!
posted on 25/10/11
You are changing the conditions once again Billybob, now you are using cash as the decider on the best club in Manchester ?
In that case it has been City for the last few years but slowly it is coming back around to United, as the FFP rules draw closer City will have to rely on their own money (like City do) but the difference is United earn more (even with Uniteds debts and Citys big sponsorship deal) and spend less... so over the next few years we will have alot more spare cash floating around to spend on extra wages or transfer fees...
Whether we will go out and use that extra money is another matter though... we do mostly go for young talent than big name stars (usually seen as stars in the making but more Aguero of a good few years ago purchase than this summer)
posted on 25/10/11
Err my first brackets should be (like United do) not (like City do)
posted on 25/10/11
Billybob
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I just think the shift should relate to what happens on the pitch, once City get the upper hand (consistently) and compete with United, and beat United over a prolonged period of time then a power shift would have occured, in my opinion anyway.
I agree with the "swings and roundabouts" comment at the end though, i commented on an article a few hours after the game saying that a result like this could actually be good for some of our fans and supporters, no team can have it there own way all the time ,sometimes you get mauled at home,but you get behind the team even more and move on. It's already been said, but us United supporters have been spoilt over the past 20 years or so and if City do take over it will hopefully separate the 'true' reds from the johnny come lately fans and i will actually be able to get a ticket to an away match once in a 'blue moon'......pun intended btw.
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