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VC
As for my comment about 'opinion being subject to what the PROGRAM CONTROLLER wants you to see', then that is common sense is it not?
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Only to someone who has a very small brain, can't think for themselves and is easilly led.
I do not fit this bill, but you, by your own admission obviously do.
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Eh? So you watch whatever angle you want, from whatever part of the pitch you want, and focus on whatever player you want?
Have a word with yourself mate!
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see...what part of that do you seem to be having difficulty with?
Eh? So you watch whatever angle you want, from whatever part of the pitch you want, and focus on whatever player you want?
Have a word with yourself mate!
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Billy,
You are rambling.
Take some advice, next time you want to jump in and go against a comment I make, think your post through first.
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see
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Billy,
Not everyone is as gullible as you. The vast majority of us are not simple, and easilly led.
We can determine what we see ourselves.
"We can determine what we see ourselves."
No you cannot, this is the point!
You can interpret what you see, but that interpretation is based on another person's idea of what is important!
You do not choose what angle you watch the game from, somebody else does that for you...if this is being easily led then fair enough, but we are all in the same boat here!
I am pointing out that you and I both see the same pictures, they are determined by somebody else, what is difficult to understand?
You are going one step further with what we interpret from those pictures, I get what you are saying, but you are missing the point of my comments. I never said that we cannot interpret the pictures to form an opinion, in fact, It was a point that I stressed in my first comment, the one that you got horribly wrong, snd ever since have been trying to twist my words into something that they are not...fair enough!
You mess up, I am then ridiculed for being stupid...nice one mate
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see
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Billy,
Not everyone is as gullible as you. The vast majority of us are not simple, and easilly led.
We can determine what we see ourselves.
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Unfortunately Billy can't do that. Billy billy billy, you've basically told us you can't think for yourself, I trust you will forgive me for dismissing your future comments as well.
Toodles
Billy stop digging your hole deeper.
You are now just waffling for the sake of it. Here is another example of you not thinking your comment through before hitting the send button.
'You do not choose what angle you watch the game from, somebody else does that for you'.
1. How is this different from watching it at the ground?
2. It is an incorrect statement. TV football is captured from more than one angle, I thought everyone knew that.
Billy, Billy, Billy, you used to be so much better than this. Your bitterness has clouded your judgement.
BiillyBob, think you are being slightly paranoid.
The TV 'controllers' simply instruct the programme makers to follow the 'action'. It's not a conspiracy by the TV companies to show you something else, that they want to corrupt you with, rather than what is actually happening during the match on the football pitch.
comment by RedBlackandWhiteside (U2335)
posted 7 minutes ago
BiillyBob, think you are being slightly paranoid.
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I think you are being too kind.
I now have this vision of Billy running round his garden with a tin foil hat on, carrying a copy of 1984 in each hand.
I was expecting his counter to be a bit better than us all being under mind control.
BillyBob
If you really believe that as an armchair fan your opinion on a game is largely controlled by Big Brother in MediaCityUK in what he has allowed you to see, does that mean that the opinion of a match going fan (me for example) is more valid than yours.
If so there is no point in you continuing in posting on this or any other football forum board.
I rule!
two people sat togeather in their front room or sat togeather at any football ground will see a completley different game than the other one, thats why we love football.
BBT the threadjacker...
For what it's worth, I feel like I get a better overall picture of what's going on at the game as you can watch (for example) movement on the other side of the pitch you wouldn't see on TV. However, the number of times I've watched the game back on MOTD and realised I didn't see it how it actually happened....
As far as having your opinion shaped by TV, when the moaning faced B ***** rds around you are giving you running commentary on a particular players' game is that not an influence?
I love the term 'programme controllers' though..... they're pulling our strings and we don't even know it
"If so there is no point in you continuing in posting on this or any other football forum board."
I like the direction this is taking RBW....
I love the term 'programme controllers' though..... they're pulling our strings and we don't even know it
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We do now, Billy has saved us.
Agree with you on watching the game live and then seeing it in a different perspective later on.
Oh dear! It seems that a simple innocuous statement from me has got my fanclub in a right state of excitement!
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VC
You have decided to stick with this even though you made the initial mistake of jumping in without reading my post correctly. Fair enough if you really want to discuss my opinion on assessing a match and the merits/drawbacks of watching that match live or on TV! I have explained myself clearly enough yet you seem intent on insisting that I have no valid opinion due to my comments, as I have repreatedly said (and you have repeatedly ignored), if this applies to me then surely it applies to you?
My point is that you and I as TV viewers do not get to choose from what angle we see the game, we do not get to choose which part of the pitch we focus on, we do not choose where we linger our attention, we do not choose when to look at the bench, we do not choose anything really except to watch the game on TV and thus be subject to the whims of the controller. Do you understand and agree to this basic point?
If you do understand and agree to this then I don't understand why you have laboured this point, unless of course you wanted to twist my words in an attempt to deflect from the fact that you initially jumped in without thinking and felt the need to save face, I understand that...I expect it from people like yourself!
You also seem to feel the need to 'score points' from me! Why is this? My initial comment was not aimed at someone specifically, it was just a general observation on the difference between live sport and TV viewing, nothing major...yet you read my comments wrongly and then decided to poke fun, why? You also continually ignore the blatant fact that we are both subject to the same TV pictures, yet I have no opinion and am easily led whilst you apparently are not!!! Can you explain that please? Preferably without trying to 'score points', just a simple explanation mate!
The programme controller is instructing me to shut down and go to the pub.... must resist.... can't do it....
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
The programme controller is instructing me to shut down and go to the pub.... must resist.... can't do it....
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Quality.
I can't believe Billy has actually said this. Billy of all people.
'You also seem to feel the need to 'score points' from me! Why is this?'
You just couldn't make it up.
ManUnited Daredevil
Do you disagree that the game you watch on TV is controlled by somebody else?
If you watched a game live and Hernandez scored from what appeared to be an offside position you would think that United may have got lucky there. However, on TV the decision is seen to be correct because a defender was playing him onside. These are two opposing opinions which have been affected by a) what you see for yourself and b) what the TV pictures show you.
So at times you need the TV pictures to allow you to have an informed opinion on the matter, does this mean that you cannot think for yourself? Or that you are easily led?
If you do then that to me is ridiculous, if you don't then you actually agree with me...which is a good thing, seeing as I'm right!
comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 18 seconds ago
ManUnited Daredevil
Do you disagree that the game you watch on TV is controlled by somebody else?
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Oh Billy, stop sidestepping what you originally said. Let me remind you.
'comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 15 hours, 6 minutes ago
Watching live means that you form your own opinion...watching it on tv means your opinion is formed for you by the program controller, you then form an 'opinion' based on what he/she wants you to see...sort of like a second hand opinion!'
Sopt wriggling like a worm on a hook. You screwed up, move on.
VC
I see that you again failed to respond to my direct questions, a trait of your's that I should really be used to by now I suppose!
Anyway, I asked you why YOU feel the need to 'score points'...I know why I do it, but this was aimed specifically at you...care to answer this simple question?
And of course you can 'make it up', I just did!
Anyway, I asked you why YOU feel the need to 'score points'
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Billy,
Let me explain to you why I highlighted the hypocrassy of your question.
You BillyBobTaunton are not a United fan yet continually appear on United threads, no other club what so ever, and slate anything United.
And you ask me about scoring points.
Billy, as if anyone did, nobody will take your opinions seriously now, because your opinions are not formed by you, they are, how did you phrase it ' sort of like a second hand opinion.'
VC
I think you have misinterpreterd my comments to mean something that they don't!
I believe that when you watch what somebody else wants you to see then the basis for your opinion on the event is not your own.
You may think that Carrick had a stinker because he gave the ball away a few times and lost a few tackles etc...you saw this on TV. Yet in reality Carrick closed down the opposition, he denied them space and kept so and so quiet by denying him any freedom...you saw this live (TV did not show the full picture).
So, your opinion based on what you actually saw live was that Carrick had a decent game...yet your opinion on what the 'controller' allowed you to see was that he had a 'mare. Two opposing viewpoints, one formed from what you saw live and one formed from what Joe controller allowed you to see! Do you see the difference?
Anyway, will you ever answer a direct question? I do hope so, it would make your comments seem more genuine if you appeared genuine yourself!
comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 5 minutes ago
VC
I think you have misinterpreterd my comments to mean something that they don't!
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I think you are trying to wriggle out of saying something stupid.
Not sure what other interpretaion anyone could get from this to be honest?
Certainly not any of the rather pitiful waffle you have come up with.
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posted on 29/11/11
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posted on 29/11/11
VC
As for my comment about 'opinion being subject to what the PROGRAM CONTROLLER wants you to see', then that is common sense is it not?
................
Only to someone who has a very small brain, can't think for themselves and is easilly led.
I do not fit this bill, but you, by your own admission obviously do.
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Eh? So you watch whatever angle you want, from whatever part of the pitch you want, and focus on whatever player you want?
Have a word with yourself mate!
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see...what part of that do you seem to be having difficulty with?
posted on 29/11/11
Eh? So you watch whatever angle you want, from whatever part of the pitch you want, and focus on whatever player you want?
Have a word with yourself mate!
.............
Billy,
You are rambling.
Take some advice, next time you want to jump in and go against a comment I make, think your post through first.
posted on 29/11/11
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see
..............
Billy,
Not everyone is as gullible as you. The vast majority of us are not simple, and easilly led.
We can determine what we see ourselves.
posted on 29/11/11
"We can determine what we see ourselves."
No you cannot, this is the point!
You can interpret what you see, but that interpretation is based on another person's idea of what is important!
You do not choose what angle you watch the game from, somebody else does that for you...if this is being easily led then fair enough, but we are all in the same boat here!
I am pointing out that you and I both see the same pictures, they are determined by somebody else, what is difficult to understand?
You are going one step further with what we interpret from those pictures, I get what you are saying, but you are missing the point of my comments. I never said that we cannot interpret the pictures to form an opinion, in fact, It was a point that I stressed in my first comment, the one that you got horribly wrong, snd ever since have been trying to twist my words into something that they are not...fair enough!
You mess up, I am then ridiculed for being stupid...nice one mate
posted on 29/11/11
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
Your comments are ignoring the fact, i.e. you are subject to what the program controller wants you to see
..............
Billy,
Not everyone is as gullible as you. The vast majority of us are not simple, and easilly led.
We can determine what we see ourselves.
=========================
Unfortunately Billy can't do that. Billy billy billy, you've basically told us you can't think for yourself, I trust you will forgive me for dismissing your future comments as well.
Toodles
posted on 29/11/11
Billy stop digging your hole deeper.
You are now just waffling for the sake of it. Here is another example of you not thinking your comment through before hitting the send button.
'You do not choose what angle you watch the game from, somebody else does that for you'.
1. How is this different from watching it at the ground?
2. It is an incorrect statement. TV football is captured from more than one angle, I thought everyone knew that.
Billy, Billy, Billy, you used to be so much better than this. Your bitterness has clouded your judgement.
posted on 29/11/11
BiillyBob, think you are being slightly paranoid.
The TV 'controllers' simply instruct the programme makers to follow the 'action'. It's not a conspiracy by the TV companies to show you something else, that they want to corrupt you with, rather than what is actually happening during the match on the football pitch.
posted on 29/11/11
comment by RedBlackandWhiteside (U2335)
posted 7 minutes ago
BiillyBob, think you are being slightly paranoid.
.....................
I think you are being too kind.
I now have this vision of Billy running round his garden with a tin foil hat on, carrying a copy of 1984 in each hand.
I was expecting his counter to be a bit better than us all being under mind control.
posted on 29/11/11
BillyBob
If you really believe that as an armchair fan your opinion on a game is largely controlled by Big Brother in MediaCityUK in what he has allowed you to see, does that mean that the opinion of a match going fan (me for example) is more valid than yours.
If so there is no point in you continuing in posting on this or any other football forum board.
I rule!
posted on 29/11/11
two people sat togeather in their front room or sat togeather at any football ground will see a completley different game than the other one, thats why we love football.
posted on 29/11/11
BBT the threadjacker...
For what it's worth, I feel like I get a better overall picture of what's going on at the game as you can watch (for example) movement on the other side of the pitch you wouldn't see on TV. However, the number of times I've watched the game back on MOTD and realised I didn't see it how it actually happened....
As far as having your opinion shaped by TV, when the moaning faced B ***** rds around you are giving you running commentary on a particular players' game is that not an influence?
I love the term 'programme controllers' though..... they're pulling our strings and we don't even know it
posted on 29/11/11
"If so there is no point in you continuing in posting on this or any other football forum board."
I like the direction this is taking RBW....
posted on 29/11/11
I love the term 'programme controllers' though..... they're pulling our strings and we don't even know it
.............
We do now, Billy has saved us.
Agree with you on watching the game live and then seeing it in a different perspective later on.
posted on 29/11/11
Oh dear! It seems that a simple innocuous statement from me has got my fanclub in a right state of excitement!
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VC
You have decided to stick with this even though you made the initial mistake of jumping in without reading my post correctly. Fair enough if you really want to discuss my opinion on assessing a match and the merits/drawbacks of watching that match live or on TV! I have explained myself clearly enough yet you seem intent on insisting that I have no valid opinion due to my comments, as I have repreatedly said (and you have repeatedly ignored), if this applies to me then surely it applies to you?
My point is that you and I as TV viewers do not get to choose from what angle we see the game, we do not get to choose which part of the pitch we focus on, we do not choose where we linger our attention, we do not choose when to look at the bench, we do not choose anything really except to watch the game on TV and thus be subject to the whims of the controller. Do you understand and agree to this basic point?
If you do understand and agree to this then I don't understand why you have laboured this point, unless of course you wanted to twist my words in an attempt to deflect from the fact that you initially jumped in without thinking and felt the need to save face, I understand that...I expect it from people like yourself!
You also seem to feel the need to 'score points' from me! Why is this? My initial comment was not aimed at someone specifically, it was just a general observation on the difference between live sport and TV viewing, nothing major...yet you read my comments wrongly and then decided to poke fun, why? You also continually ignore the blatant fact that we are both subject to the same TV pictures, yet I have no opinion and am easily led whilst you apparently are not!!! Can you explain that please? Preferably without trying to 'score points', just a simple explanation mate!
posted on 29/11/11
The programme controller is instructing me to shut down and go to the pub.... must resist.... can't do it....
posted on 29/11/11
posted on 29/11/11
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
The programme controller is instructing me to shut down and go to the pub.... must resist.... can't do it....
..............
Quality.
posted on 29/11/11
I can't believe Billy has actually said this. Billy of all people.
'You also seem to feel the need to 'score points' from me! Why is this?'
You just couldn't make it up.
posted on 29/11/11
ManUnited Daredevil
Do you disagree that the game you watch on TV is controlled by somebody else?
If you watched a game live and Hernandez scored from what appeared to be an offside position you would think that United may have got lucky there. However, on TV the decision is seen to be correct because a defender was playing him onside. These are two opposing opinions which have been affected by a) what you see for yourself and b) what the TV pictures show you.
So at times you need the TV pictures to allow you to have an informed opinion on the matter, does this mean that you cannot think for yourself? Or that you are easily led?
If you do then that to me is ridiculous, if you don't then you actually agree with me...which is a good thing, seeing as I'm right!
posted on 29/11/11
comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 18 seconds ago
ManUnited Daredevil
Do you disagree that the game you watch on TV is controlled by somebody else?
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Oh Billy, stop sidestepping what you originally said. Let me remind you.
'comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 15 hours, 6 minutes ago
Watching live means that you form your own opinion...watching it on tv means your opinion is formed for you by the program controller, you then form an 'opinion' based on what he/she wants you to see...sort of like a second hand opinion!'
Sopt wriggling like a worm on a hook. You screwed up, move on.
posted on 29/11/11
VC
I see that you again failed to respond to my direct questions, a trait of your's that I should really be used to by now I suppose!
Anyway, I asked you why YOU feel the need to 'score points'...I know why I do it, but this was aimed specifically at you...care to answer this simple question?
And of course you can 'make it up', I just did!
posted on 29/11/11
Anyway, I asked you why YOU feel the need to 'score points'
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Billy,
Let me explain to you why I highlighted the hypocrassy of your question.
You BillyBobTaunton are not a United fan yet continually appear on United threads, no other club what so ever, and slate anything United.
And you ask me about scoring points.
Billy, as if anyone did, nobody will take your opinions seriously now, because your opinions are not formed by you, they are, how did you phrase it ' sort of like a second hand opinion.'
posted on 29/11/11
VC
I think you have misinterpreterd my comments to mean something that they don't!
I believe that when you watch what somebody else wants you to see then the basis for your opinion on the event is not your own.
You may think that Carrick had a stinker because he gave the ball away a few times and lost a few tackles etc...you saw this on TV. Yet in reality Carrick closed down the opposition, he denied them space and kept so and so quiet by denying him any freedom...you saw this live (TV did not show the full picture).
So, your opinion based on what you actually saw live was that Carrick had a decent game...yet your opinion on what the 'controller' allowed you to see was that he had a 'mare. Two opposing viewpoints, one formed from what you saw live and one formed from what Joe controller allowed you to see! Do you see the difference?
Anyway, will you ever answer a direct question? I do hope so, it would make your comments seem more genuine if you appeared genuine yourself!
posted on 29/11/11
comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 5 minutes ago
VC
I think you have misinterpreterd my comments to mean something that they don't!
..................
I think you are trying to wriggle out of saying something stupid.
Not sure what other interpretaion anyone could get from this to be honest?
Certainly not any of the rather pitiful waffle you have come up with.
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