In other words:
You've been used to seeing United win all your life
Pathetic attempt at a wum
I'm not WUMing, it's just an observation.
If you are 24, you cannot have seen United not winning.
I am fortunate that I have never seen Chelsea relegated, I accept I am lucky.
No WUM
600 words to trawl through, and then when I get to the end i find out that it was just a dig at City and the fact they have more money!
regardless, your comment is irrelevant.
BillyBob - I suppose I should be appreciative of your comment, you are known to make a lot worse! This article isn't a dig at city in the slightest, just that I prefer the Arsenal route to the City route if you like, but I prefer the United way to the Arsenal way!! Because we don't just stick with kids we mix it up
BillyBob
Enlighten him please
Chelsea fans thinking they are mad with their 5 year history, Snobs,
Poor little ManU and their winning everything without spending a single penny....
5 years? I thought it was 7?
Anderson The Samba Star_Millitant Bebe (U1295)
Ignore the parasites above. I am 23 so I too have been lucky to support Man Utd during a hugely successful period, but I support them because my father does as did his father before him. It wasn't a choice in my household.
This doesn't change how I feel about the club other than probably having unusually high standards. But the one thing I really can't imagine, is a Man Utd side without Sir Alex as manager, that will be a strange day.
I do agree though, there is nothing quite like seeing players brought through the club from a young age succeeding.
Unfortunately football is a changed game from 20 years ago. Young lads dont get as much chance to prove themselves over a number of games because the costs associated with risking untried players are huge. That has been the downfall of English football really, the fact we have the most lucrative league on the planet has meant the younger players have got to be red hot as soon as they put on that first team strip. Its a shame really, you can blame the likes of City or Chelsea all you want but the truth is the money was always getting ridiculous before the multi-billionaire owners got involved, the only reason the billionaire owners got involved in the first place was because the money was so big, if it wasnt then what would be the point? I would be all for going back to the days when teams were built on the products of their youth academy's but that is just not the case anymore, and bright talent from a lesser team gets poached by a greater team i.e Rooney, Ferdinand, Sturridge to Chelsea. People rave about Arsenals youth academy but even that is non existent, Wenger just has a good scouting network so he spots talent before their values go sky high. If you want to compete year on year you are going to have to break the bank on a £30million plus player every now and again, granted City have spent a lot in the last few years, but thats because they have had to cram in 10 years worth of Transfer spending in the space of 3 seasons so they can meet FFP. Morrison looked okay when he came on the other night, but its almost a guarantee that Fergie will buy a play making midfielder in January or at the end of the season which means Morrison will be behing the new arrival and behind Tom Cleverly, so how many first team shots do you really think he will get over the next few years? Judging from his off field antics he is more likely to be in Jail before getting a regular starting place at United.
This doesn't change how I feel about the club other than probably having unusually high standards. But the one thing I really can't imagine, is a Man Utd side without Sir Alex as manager, that will be a strange day.
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I can't imagine it either, I'm 23 and he's been there longer than I've been alive, mad.
I dread the day he leaves, but I also look forward to a new era with a new manager, whoever it may be.
Man City Shaun (U4496)
I don't think it's fair to have a go at fans of Chelsea or City due to the money coming into the club, at the end of the day it's put both clubs in a position they would have never ever dreamed of being in prior to investment, but that isn't your fault. Plus for example look at the money the scousers have spent, hasn't got that much has it.
I just hope the FFP rules are adhered to and taken seriously by UEFA, however looking at the sponsorship you guys recently received without even an investigation, is a bad start. Again not any fans fault, but is pretty clearly a bending of the rules.
P.S, a paragraph or two wouldn't hurt.
Ruiney you baby you
23, awww
Bubbles™ - Sold to RRP for a Fiver. Going to see us win at WHL before Chronic sees a Spurs win at the Bridge (U7929)
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Ruiney you baby you
23, awww
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How old are you?
BusbysBabes (U9083)
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I will try to paragraph in future, I just got a little carried away and didn't realise how much I had wrote until I posted it.
Your right you cant blame the fans, but also I think FFP is a flawed concept in itself, it means that teams like United City Chelsea will probably be top of the table for the foreseeable future as they will generate the most money so can spend the most.
I am not just saying this cuz United have debt, but surely a concept should be introduced that is similar to FFP but had a condition where clubs have to pay off a certain amount of their debt each year, thus meaning eventually all clubs will have zero debt meaning no clubs going into administration.
Thats not a knock at United but more for the benefit of smaller clubs who have had to see their clubs go into administration and watch them fall through the leagues, it can only be for the good of the game if this sort of concept was introduced.
Also some sort of protection for the starlets of smaller clubs, I am not sure how they would do this but for teams that have some good prospects but will struggle to keep hold of them due to big clubs interest, hence thwarting their ambitions of climbing up the table/leagues, for example how long do you think Rodwell will be at Everton for?
Also some sort of protection for the starlets of smaller clubs
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This is a big issue, especially consider that league clubs recently had to sign a new law which will allow big clubs to snoop around and buy their youngsters for pennys or they would have sponsorship taken away from them.
I think the idea of clubs running on their own profit is fantastic, but when for example Barca and Madrid sell their own TV rights and earn what other clubs in their league do 10 fold, this will never be fair.
The current FFP rules will benefit in particular Man Utd who are the most profitable club in the world, but unfortunately the Yanks bleed a lot of that money to pay those loans off.
The current FFP rules will benefit in particular Man Utd who are the most profitable club in the world, but unfortunately the Yanks bleed a lot of that money to pay those loans off.
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Thats true, but to be honest if they succeed in paying them off then it could be a very daunting prospect matching United in the transfer window.
As far as the young kids go, I didn't realise they had signed that agreement, who's ridiculous idea was that, at least with the system at the moment, a club that needs money can sell their star young player to get good money that might help keep their club afloat, or use the money to buy 3 or 4 players for a promotion push a bit like Southampton did with that Chamberlain.
If that agreement has been signed then that will just make football an even bigger monopoly in terms of what teams remain at the top.
The thing is, footballers and agents are not going to take wage cuts. So if so many clubs need to cut spending, yet increase both spending on wages and transfers, where is this money coming from?
It's a big big worry and UEFA should have thought a little more clearly, put wage caps on players salaries with the possibility of inflation rises but then the lawyers would argue this in court.
The you have clubs selling assets, stadium names, extra sponsors on kits (our DHL deal) rules bent (Cities airline deal).
I'm afraid the FFP rules are just not going to work.
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I'm afraid the FFP rules are just not going to work.
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I agree. Its potentially an okay idea that needs refining I think, but I also dont believe that FIFA will have the balls to eliminate someone like Barcelona/Real Madrid if they fail to meet the regulations.
If I could predict what is going to happen, I think an example will be made of a smaller club in the CL, e.g Dinamo Zagreb, or someone of similar stature, that way FIFA will create an illusion that they are doing something about the money in the game but in reality its a cloud cover and the money flow will carry on as normal.
I feel blessed to have grown up a generation before the O.P.
We had legendary players back then, but Utd were considered bad, a sleeping giant, a cup team at best.
But having grown up in the era of the arrogant pool fans and arsenal fans, it makes it even sweeter today, that they bow down to Utd as they witnessed us become the Most Successful team in England.
Long may it continue.....
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posted on 5/12/11
In other words:
You've been used to seeing United win all your life
posted on 5/12/11
Pathetic attempt at a wum
posted on 5/12/11
I'm not WUMing, it's just an observation.
If you are 24, you cannot have seen United not winning.
I am fortunate that I have never seen Chelsea relegated, I accept I am lucky.
No WUM
posted on 5/12/11
600 words to trawl through, and then when I get to the end i find out that it was just a dig at City and the fact they have more money!
posted on 5/12/11
regardless, your comment is irrelevant.
BillyBob - I suppose I should be appreciative of your comment, you are known to make a lot worse! This article isn't a dig at city in the slightest, just that I prefer the Arsenal route to the City route if you like, but I prefer the United way to the Arsenal way!! Because we don't just stick with kids we mix it up
posted on 5/12/11
BillyBob
Enlighten him please
posted on 5/12/11
Chelsea fans thinking they are mad with their 5 year history, Snobs,
posted on 5/12/11
Poor little ManU and their winning everything without spending a single penny....
posted on 5/12/11
5 years? I thought it was 7?
posted on 5/12/11
Anderson The Samba Star_Millitant Bebe (U1295)
Ignore the parasites above. I am 23 so I too have been lucky to support Man Utd during a hugely successful period, but I support them because my father does as did his father before him. It wasn't a choice in my household.
This doesn't change how I feel about the club other than probably having unusually high standards. But the one thing I really can't imagine, is a Man Utd side without Sir Alex as manager, that will be a strange day.
I do agree though, there is nothing quite like seeing players brought through the club from a young age succeeding.
posted on 5/12/11
Unfortunately football is a changed game from 20 years ago. Young lads dont get as much chance to prove themselves over a number of games because the costs associated with risking untried players are huge. That has been the downfall of English football really, the fact we have the most lucrative league on the planet has meant the younger players have got to be red hot as soon as they put on that first team strip. Its a shame really, you can blame the likes of City or Chelsea all you want but the truth is the money was always getting ridiculous before the multi-billionaire owners got involved, the only reason the billionaire owners got involved in the first place was because the money was so big, if it wasnt then what would be the point? I would be all for going back to the days when teams were built on the products of their youth academy's but that is just not the case anymore, and bright talent from a lesser team gets poached by a greater team i.e Rooney, Ferdinand, Sturridge to Chelsea. People rave about Arsenals youth academy but even that is non existent, Wenger just has a good scouting network so he spots talent before their values go sky high. If you want to compete year on year you are going to have to break the bank on a £30million plus player every now and again, granted City have spent a lot in the last few years, but thats because they have had to cram in 10 years worth of Transfer spending in the space of 3 seasons so they can meet FFP. Morrison looked okay when he came on the other night, but its almost a guarantee that Fergie will buy a play making midfielder in January or at the end of the season which means Morrison will be behing the new arrival and behind Tom Cleverly, so how many first team shots do you really think he will get over the next few years? Judging from his off field antics he is more likely to be in Jail before getting a regular starting place at United.
posted on 5/12/11
Man City Shaun
Spot on
posted on 5/12/11
This doesn't change how I feel about the club other than probably having unusually high standards. But the one thing I really can't imagine, is a Man Utd side without Sir Alex as manager, that will be a strange day.
.............
I can't imagine it either, I'm 23 and he's been there longer than I've been alive, mad.
I dread the day he leaves, but I also look forward to a new era with a new manager, whoever it may be.
posted on 5/12/11
Man City Shaun (U4496)
I don't think it's fair to have a go at fans of Chelsea or City due to the money coming into the club, at the end of the day it's put both clubs in a position they would have never ever dreamed of being in prior to investment, but that isn't your fault. Plus for example look at the money the scousers have spent, hasn't got that much has it.
I just hope the FFP rules are adhered to and taken seriously by UEFA, however looking at the sponsorship you guys recently received without even an investigation, is a bad start. Again not any fans fault, but is pretty clearly a bending of the rules.
P.S, a paragraph or two wouldn't hurt.
posted on 5/12/11
Ruiney you baby you
23, awww
posted on 5/12/11
Bubbles™ - Sold to RRP for a Fiver. Going to see us win at WHL before Chronic sees a Spurs win at the Bridge (U7929)
posted 42 seconds ago
Ruiney you baby you
23, awww
_________________________________________
How old are you?
posted on 5/12/11
posted on 5/12/11
BusbysBabes (U9083)
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I will try to paragraph in future, I just got a little carried away and didn't realise how much I had wrote until I posted it.
Your right you cant blame the fans, but also I think FFP is a flawed concept in itself, it means that teams like United City Chelsea will probably be top of the table for the foreseeable future as they will generate the most money so can spend the most.
I am not just saying this cuz United have debt, but surely a concept should be introduced that is similar to FFP but had a condition where clubs have to pay off a certain amount of their debt each year, thus meaning eventually all clubs will have zero debt meaning no clubs going into administration.
Thats not a knock at United but more for the benefit of smaller clubs who have had to see their clubs go into administration and watch them fall through the leagues, it can only be for the good of the game if this sort of concept was introduced.
Also some sort of protection for the starlets of smaller clubs, I am not sure how they would do this but for teams that have some good prospects but will struggle to keep hold of them due to big clubs interest, hence thwarting their ambitions of climbing up the table/leagues, for example how long do you think Rodwell will be at Everton for?
posted on 5/12/11
Also some sort of protection for the starlets of smaller clubs
________________________________________
This is a big issue, especially consider that league clubs recently had to sign a new law which will allow big clubs to snoop around and buy their youngsters for pennys or they would have sponsorship taken away from them.
I think the idea of clubs running on their own profit is fantastic, but when for example Barca and Madrid sell their own TV rights and earn what other clubs in their league do 10 fold, this will never be fair.
The current FFP rules will benefit in particular Man Utd who are the most profitable club in the world, but unfortunately the Yanks bleed a lot of that money to pay those loans off.
posted on 5/12/11
The current FFP rules will benefit in particular Man Utd who are the most profitable club in the world, but unfortunately the Yanks bleed a lot of that money to pay those loans off.
------------------------------------------
Thats true, but to be honest if they succeed in paying them off then it could be a very daunting prospect matching United in the transfer window.
As far as the young kids go, I didn't realise they had signed that agreement, who's ridiculous idea was that, at least with the system at the moment, a club that needs money can sell their star young player to get good money that might help keep their club afloat, or use the money to buy 3 or 4 players for a promotion push a bit like Southampton did with that Chamberlain.
If that agreement has been signed then that will just make football an even bigger monopoly in terms of what teams remain at the top.
posted on 5/12/11
Busby
Younger than that
posted on 5/12/11
The thing is, footballers and agents are not going to take wage cuts. So if so many clubs need to cut spending, yet increase both spending on wages and transfers, where is this money coming from?
It's a big big worry and UEFA should have thought a little more clearly, put wage caps on players salaries with the possibility of inflation rises but then the lawyers would argue this in court.
The you have clubs selling assets, stadium names, extra sponsors on kits (our DHL deal) rules bent (Cities airline deal).
I'm afraid the FFP rules are just not going to work.
posted on 5/12/11
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posted on 5/12/11
I'm afraid the FFP rules are just not going to work.
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I agree. Its potentially an okay idea that needs refining I think, but I also dont believe that FIFA will have the balls to eliminate someone like Barcelona/Real Madrid if they fail to meet the regulations.
If I could predict what is going to happen, I think an example will be made of a smaller club in the CL, e.g Dinamo Zagreb, or someone of similar stature, that way FIFA will create an illusion that they are doing something about the money in the game but in reality its a cloud cover and the money flow will carry on as normal.
posted on 5/12/11
I feel blessed to have grown up a generation before the O.P.
We had legendary players back then, but Utd were considered bad, a sleeping giant, a cup team at best.
But having grown up in the era of the arrogant pool fans and arsenal fans, it makes it even sweeter today, that they bow down to Utd as they witnessed us become the Most Successful team in England.
Long may it continue.....
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