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Didn't we buy his parents a house? I'm sure he will be offered more than a comfortable wage to live off until, if he proves himself he is offered another contract.
If he thinks he is better off elsewhere then that's his loss.
Hippo - When I said we don't need players like him at the club I meant players with his attitude
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football players are so greedy.
10 grand a week is enough to live happily ever after and extremely comfortable.. they whinge because they are only getting paid 50k a week or something, makes me sick to think some of those sh it players at city are earning 200,000+ a week
Must admit I couldn't understand why everyone was denying something was up as his agent was clearly feeding the press frenzy.
The other interesting thing from that article is that his contract does run out at the end of the season BUT the club have the option to extend it until 2013.
Pogba should take a look at what happened to his countryman Anelka's career when he left Arsenal for Madrid, and whether Anelka regretted that decision.
Yes Anelka made a lot of cash and played for some top clubs, but did he really establish himself at any of them or on indeed on the world stage. Certainly he didnt fulfil his potential IMO and wasn't as satisfied with life as he could have been from the comments he made towards the end of his career.
Anelka was a boss at Arsenal
Busby's comments are outdated and completely irrelevant in this day and age.
Has no United player, or his agent, ever tried to negotiate a pay increase? Or have they all waited for United to offer them a new deal? Get real, players drive contract re-negotiations at times, to think otherwise is as outdated as Busby's comments!
Fair enough, Fergie cannot just go offering crazy deals to 'promising youngsters' who threaten to leave.
But if he ends up at city like it suggests in the article, I think I will be sick. City stand for everything that is wrong in football today.
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In the same vein, do Pogba and his agent also stand for everything that is wrong in football today?
You also have to remember that Pogba was lured to United, no doubt this involved financial benefits... I am sure that his club, and their supporters felt the same as you do now.
Completely agree, however we have the 'Manchester United Factor'. When he was playing for Le Havre and he heard Man Utd were interested, i'm sure he was delighted as we are a far bigger club than Le Havre in a better league too, who could offer better coaching, training facilities and the possibility of playing in the worlds biggest leagues. Could you blame him for joining us?
But it's just business to negotiate a better deal, of course, i'm not saying its a bad thing either. But what is unethical is that clubs like city will pay whatever it takes to get him. Stupid crazy money just because they can.
And that I think for footballers, is where the very fuzzy line of 'negotiating a business deal' and just pure greed comes in. Money before career. Would it be best for Pogba to take a mega money deal and rot away in Citys reserves? Well the choice is obviously his, and the outcome will be very, very telling indeed.
But like you say, that is just what is wrong with football these days.
I understand what you are saying, yes United offer a better opportunity for him than Le Havre.
Having said that, is it Okay for United to entice a player but not City?
I don't blame Pogba for joining United, but I also wouldn't blame him for joining City if they are offering him more money. Who knows what his career holds...but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
Where will United be in 5 years? Where will City be? Who knows? If another company offers you more money then surely it is wise to consider it, as for him rotting awway in City's reserves, no-one knows what will happen, if he as good as United fans suggest then he will be playing PL football soon enough anyway, why not try it at City?
I agree that City's money is crazy money, but football has always had teams that are financially superior to the rest.
Fergie's comments on Pogba are slap on the face to the posters who said that the Pogba issue was just tabloid nonsense.
Yes tabloids spout out madeup stories most of the times but some of our red-tinted fans just cannot accept that someone wants to leave United or they want every player to think that United should be the ultimate destination for every player to grace the sport.
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Matt Busby summed it up perfectly, that you don't need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you're good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us, there's no doubt about it.
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When did Busby say that, doesn't sound like him, and wages then were pretty low and generally standard across the board?
Footballers were still better off than your average man in those days. Not to the extent of today, but they did well for themselves.
The fact is, we got him (and similar players) in a similar fashion... waving cash around. It's the nature of football, these days.
If he goes, it'll be a shame, but so be it.
Just doing what Wayne Rooney did, threaten to leave and they came back with "how does 250k a week sound"?
I don't blame Pogba for joining United, but I also wouldn't blame him for joining City if they are offering him more money. Who knows what his career holds...but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
I think any 18-19 year old should really look at city's attempt at bringing youngsters through before signing for the team. For every Micah Richards there has been an Onouha(?) and Boyata. So joining city would be more about the money than joining the club for playing time.
Joining Manchester United, who I think it is fair to say have a better track record of bringing talent through and are an established top 4 team (as City are soon to be) could be more about the prestige.
As for your point about switching companies, I get your point but the comparison with footballers is weak at best especially when Pogba will be on atleast 5k a week and is hardly struggling to pay the bills unlike most people. I wonder if his brother playing for Wrexham (who scored today) can give him some perspective?
but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
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I often hear people say this.... but when you think about it, would you uproot to a new city, just for more money?
You'd take into account the bigger picture..... likelihood for promotion, what the boss is like, the staff, the chances of the company still being around during your working career.
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posted on 16/12/11
Didn't we buy his parents a house? I'm sure he will be offered more than a comfortable wage to live off until, if he proves himself he is offered another contract.
If he thinks he is better off elsewhere then that's his loss.
posted on 17/12/11
Hippo - When I said we don't need players like him at the club I meant players with his attitude
posted on 17/12/11
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posted on 17/12/11
football players are so greedy.
10 grand a week is enough to live happily ever after and extremely comfortable.. they whinge because they are only getting paid 50k a week or something, makes me sick to think some of those sh it players at city are earning 200,000+ a week
posted on 17/12/11
Must admit I couldn't understand why everyone was denying something was up as his agent was clearly feeding the press frenzy.
The other interesting thing from that article is that his contract does run out at the end of the season BUT the club have the option to extend it until 2013.
Pogba should take a look at what happened to his countryman Anelka's career when he left Arsenal for Madrid, and whether Anelka regretted that decision.
Yes Anelka made a lot of cash and played for some top clubs, but did he really establish himself at any of them or on indeed on the world stage. Certainly he didnt fulfil his potential IMO and wasn't as satisfied with life as he could have been from the comments he made towards the end of his career.
posted on 17/12/11
Anelka was a boss at Arsenal
posted on 17/12/11
Busby's comments are outdated and completely irrelevant in this day and age.
Has no United player, or his agent, ever tried to negotiate a pay increase? Or have they all waited for United to offer them a new deal? Get real, players drive contract re-negotiations at times, to think otherwise is as outdated as Busby's comments!
posted on 17/12/11
Fair enough, Fergie cannot just go offering crazy deals to 'promising youngsters' who threaten to leave.
But if he ends up at city like it suggests in the article, I think I will be sick. City stand for everything that is wrong in football today.
posted on 17/12/11
keano's
In the same vein, do Pogba and his agent also stand for everything that is wrong in football today?
You also have to remember that Pogba was lured to United, no doubt this involved financial benefits... I am sure that his club, and their supporters felt the same as you do now.
posted on 17/12/11
Completely agree, however we have the 'Manchester United Factor'. When he was playing for Le Havre and he heard Man Utd were interested, i'm sure he was delighted as we are a far bigger club than Le Havre in a better league too, who could offer better coaching, training facilities and the possibility of playing in the worlds biggest leagues. Could you blame him for joining us?
But it's just business to negotiate a better deal, of course, i'm not saying its a bad thing either. But what is unethical is that clubs like city will pay whatever it takes to get him. Stupid crazy money just because they can.
And that I think for footballers, is where the very fuzzy line of 'negotiating a business deal' and just pure greed comes in. Money before career. Would it be best for Pogba to take a mega money deal and rot away in Citys reserves? Well the choice is obviously his, and the outcome will be very, very telling indeed.
But like you say, that is just what is wrong with football these days.
posted on 17/12/11
I understand what you are saying, yes United offer a better opportunity for him than Le Havre.
Having said that, is it Okay for United to entice a player but not City?
I don't blame Pogba for joining United, but I also wouldn't blame him for joining City if they are offering him more money. Who knows what his career holds...but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
Where will United be in 5 years? Where will City be? Who knows? If another company offers you more money then surely it is wise to consider it, as for him rotting awway in City's reserves, no-one knows what will happen, if he as good as United fans suggest then he will be playing PL football soon enough anyway, why not try it at City?
I agree that City's money is crazy money, but football has always had teams that are financially superior to the rest.
posted on 17/12/11
Fergie's comments on Pogba are slap on the face to the posters who said that the Pogba issue was just tabloid nonsense.
Yes tabloids spout out madeup stories most of the times but some of our red-tinted fans just cannot accept that someone wants to leave United or they want every player to think that United should be the ultimate destination for every player to grace the sport.
posted on 17/12/11
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posted on 17/12/11
Matt Busby summed it up perfectly, that you don't need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you're good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us, there's no doubt about it.
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When did Busby say that, doesn't sound like him, and wages then were pretty low and generally standard across the board?
posted on 17/12/11
Footballers were still better off than your average man in those days. Not to the extent of today, but they did well for themselves.
posted on 17/12/11
The fact is, we got him (and similar players) in a similar fashion... waving cash around. It's the nature of football, these days.
If he goes, it'll be a shame, but so be it.
posted on 17/12/11
Just doing what Wayne Rooney did, threaten to leave and they came back with "how does 250k a week sound"?
posted on 17/12/11
I don't blame Pogba for joining United, but I also wouldn't blame him for joining City if they are offering him more money. Who knows what his career holds...but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
I think any 18-19 year old should really look at city's attempt at bringing youngsters through before signing for the team. For every Micah Richards there has been an Onouha(?) and Boyata. So joining city would be more about the money than joining the club for playing time.
Joining Manchester United, who I think it is fair to say have a better track record of bringing talent through and are an established top 4 team (as City are soon to be) could be more about the prestige.
As for your point about switching companies, I get your point but the comparison with footballers is weak at best especially when Pogba will be on atleast 5k a week and is hardly struggling to pay the bills unlike most people. I wonder if his brother playing for Wrexham (who scored today) can give him some perspective?
posted on 17/12/11
but would you refuse a move to a company that offers you more money?
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I often hear people say this.... but when you think about it, would you uproot to a new city, just for more money?
You'd take into account the bigger picture..... likelihood for promotion, what the boss is like, the staff, the chances of the company still being around during your working career.
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