I 100% agree cant say any more really top post.
We are not a top 6 club
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No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can. That's the reality of managing a small club on a small budget.
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can.
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My point being no one could. You honestly think any manager could run a team with no RB's and one shocking LB without conceding a butt load?
I think it would be hard to find someone who could do any worse, to be honest ....
No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
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No, we have been a bottom 3 club for years, under Sammy Lee, Megson and now Coyle .....
If we were a bottom 3 club in the past ..we would have been relegated. OC will be the first of those 3 managers listed to actually achieve that 'honour', if he's allowed to carry on.
If we were a bottom 3 club in the past ..we would have been relegated. OC will be the first of those 3 managers listed to actually achieve that 'honour', if he's allowed to carry on.
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Sammy Lee had us in the relegation zone, as did Megson, therefore we are a bottom club .....
we were doing fine at 0-0 2nd half,there was a feel good factor in the crowd after the blackburn game,as it was we might have won but would have taken 0-0 result which would have given us some confidence going into the wolves game.we looked solid had a good shape,the only changes i would have contemplated would have been to freshen up front with tuncay and davies on.muamba did misplace a pass or 2 he does that but with his fellow bouncer reo coker he was protecting the back 4 freeing mavies to have a free attacking role.what followed then was the worst substitution seen since megson took klasnic off and put mccann on in his last game v hull.mavies now shackled in the middle and eagles on who looked fast asleep when he came on.now we were totally exposed and no surprise we conceded and as happens when 1 goes in another quickly follows.now coyle is drinking in the last chance saloon on new years eve any more tacticle blunders like that we are down.
BSA had us in the relegation zone at one time as well, so, according to your logic, he too should be included too
"What other club of our stature would not be struggling?"
Everton
Newcastle
Norwich
West Brom
Stoke
Coyle saved us from this position before when he took over from Meggo. 18 games in, and in the bottom 3. People need to stop harping on about how Megson had 18 points by this time, it's a different season. 18 points would see as high as 14th in the table. It's all relative.
Pie, how many key players do them teams above have out???
benny do you really expect our defence to keep a clean sheet if we have no outlet. Our strikers were either isolated or outnumbered and Mavies had very few options when given the ball due to that he could not go forward as their were too many people he had petrov to the left but he was not always available and to the right he had no one as Boyata is pap. The only way he had was back to our defence meaning we could not pressure Newcastle so they could change the game if they needed too anyway.
Good point Hopefull. Another point about yesterdays game is not only how much Alonso and any RB were missed defensively, is how much they were missed attacking. Petrov was so much better when he had someone making runs ahead and making space for him, and my god. I counted twice when Mark Davies made a 1-2 pass and Boyata had gone back and around 5 cross he made in good positions that were shocking. Steinsson for all his defensive problems would of made so much more of these.
Everton haven't signed a decent player for 3 years, Newcastle lost key players at the star of the season, Norwich are a L1 outfit, West Brom ain't great and Stoke have shown teams the way to do it like we both did 10 years ago.
Excuses won't really wash when we're plummeting towards League One...
* we're - suggesting Rovers are heading the same way...
Owen in a coma I know I know ...It's really serious .... (U4545)
posted 24 minutes ago
We are not a top 6 club
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No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can. That's the reality of managing a small club on a small budget.
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I think you are deluding yourself. I agree with the article creator, Coyle is doing his best without the players he needs.
I still remain confident that we will maintain our place in the Premiership and look forward to all the doubters eating their words.
Everton haven't signed a decent player for 3 years, Newcastle lost key players at the star of the season, Norwich are a L1 outfit, West Brom ain't great and Stoke have shown teams the way to do it like we both did 10 years ago.
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Newcastle have lost one defender, we were without our first choice Full backs and without our first choice CM and RM yesterday.
Everton had a solid squad to begin with, they still have a good team.
It's all relative
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It sure is ....
Sammy Lee - 7 defeats from the start of a season - 11 games in - dire situation - sacked
Gary Megson - 9 defeats from the start of a season - 18 games in - dire situation - sacked
Owen Coyle - 14 defeats from the start of a season - 18 games in - dire situation - Hey? What's the problem?
All the bookies now have us odds on to get relegated, and that is worse than it was when I checked four weeks ago: at that time they had us at evens/just above. That was before we went on our one-match winning run, which suggests the bookies are unimpressed by teams like Bolton and Blackburn beating each other - they cannot both lose after all.
What that means in terms of simple probability is that people whose livelihood depends on knowing these things calculate that we are more likely than not to get relegated - quite a lot more likely in most cases: 8/11 on is the longest shot currently.
Even in Megson's darkest hour, the bookies relentlessly had Burnley, Portsmouth and Hull as the three to go down - and so it turned out.
So taking points off wigan and Blackburn - that is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I know it hurts a lot of pepole to face this, but I cannot see how you could not conclude that Coyle has failed in this role. Whether sacking him at this stage would achieve anything is another matter: we are in the unfortunate position of having very little to offer anayone of the right calibre - in 18 months we will be starting off in League 1 on Minus 10 points with a team of schoolboys. It's bad.
Owen in a coma I know I know ...It's really
I refer you to this post. Points are all relative to how everyone else is doing.
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Coyle saved us from this position before when he took over from Meggo. 18 games in, and in the bottom 3. People need to stop harping on about how Megson had 18 points by this time, it's a different season. 18 points would see as high as 14th in the table. It's all relative.
We're no more adrift then when Coyle took over. Which he saved us from.
Newcastle have lost Carroll, Nolan, Barton within the last 12 months. For Everton, Cahill has been in and out with injury and they lost Arteta and Yakubu. As said, West Brom and Norwich could hardly have been considered stronger than either of our squads 18 months ago.
Time for fans of Wanderers to enter the real world (again comparisons to Rovers); the idiots in charge of our clubs have been systematically reducing quality and our positions are deserved!
Newcastle have lost Carroll, Nolan, Barton within the last 12 months. For Everton, Cahill has been in and out with injury and they lost Arteta and Yakubu. As said, West Brom and Norwich could hardly have been considered stronger than either of our squads 18 months ago.
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Newcastle have brought in a number of top players to replace those who have gone.
When Coyle ' saved ' us, he was the fresh impetus that the club needed ...the fresh impetus that we now need to tap into once again...
He also had fresh ideas, and the belief of the players around him that he knew what he was doing.
I don't think he has either of those things now, just in the same way Megson hadn't ..and he lost his job as a result.
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posted on 27/12/11
I 100% agree cant say any more really top post.
posted on 27/12/11
We are not a top 6 club
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No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can. That's the reality of managing a small club on a small budget.
posted on 27/12/11
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can.
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My point being no one could. You honestly think any manager could run a team with no RB's and one shocking LB without conceding a butt load?
posted on 27/12/11
I think it would be hard to find someone who could do any worse, to be honest ....
posted on 27/12/11
No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
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No, we have been a bottom 3 club for years, under Sammy Lee, Megson and now Coyle .....
posted on 27/12/11
If we were a bottom 3 club in the past ..we would have been relegated. OC will be the first of those 3 managers listed to actually achieve that 'honour', if he's allowed to carry on.
posted on 27/12/11
If we were a bottom 3 club in the past ..we would have been relegated. OC will be the first of those 3 managers listed to actually achieve that 'honour', if he's allowed to carry on.
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Sammy Lee had us in the relegation zone, as did Megson, therefore we are a bottom club .....
posted on 27/12/11
we were doing fine at 0-0 2nd half,there was a feel good factor in the crowd after the blackburn game,as it was we might have won but would have taken 0-0 result which would have given us some confidence going into the wolves game.we looked solid had a good shape,the only changes i would have contemplated would have been to freshen up front with tuncay and davies on.muamba did misplace a pass or 2 he does that but with his fellow bouncer reo coker he was protecting the back 4 freeing mavies to have a free attacking role.what followed then was the worst substitution seen since megson took klasnic off and put mccann on in his last game v hull.mavies now shackled in the middle and eagles on who looked fast asleep when he came on.now we were totally exposed and no surprise we conceded and as happens when 1 goes in another quickly follows.now coyle is drinking in the last chance saloon on new years eve any more tacticle blunders like that we are down.
posted on 27/12/11
BSA had us in the relegation zone at one time as well, so, according to your logic, he too should be included too
posted on 27/12/11
"What other club of our stature would not be struggling?"
Everton
Newcastle
Norwich
West Brom
Stoke
posted on 27/12/11
Coyle saved us from this position before when he took over from Meggo. 18 games in, and in the bottom 3. People need to stop harping on about how Megson had 18 points by this time, it's a different season. 18 points would see as high as 14th in the table. It's all relative.
posted on 27/12/11
Pie, how many key players do them teams above have out???
posted on 27/12/11
benny do you really expect our defence to keep a clean sheet if we have no outlet. Our strikers were either isolated or outnumbered and Mavies had very few options when given the ball due to that he could not go forward as their were too many people he had petrov to the left but he was not always available and to the right he had no one as Boyata is pap. The only way he had was back to our defence meaning we could not pressure Newcastle so they could change the game if they needed too anyway.
posted on 27/12/11
Good point Hopefull. Another point about yesterdays game is not only how much Alonso and any RB were missed defensively, is how much they were missed attacking. Petrov was so much better when he had someone making runs ahead and making space for him, and my god. I counted twice when Mark Davies made a 1-2 pass and Boyata had gone back and around 5 cross he made in good positions that were shocking. Steinsson for all his defensive problems would of made so much more of these.
posted on 27/12/11
Everton haven't signed a decent player for 3 years, Newcastle lost key players at the star of the season, Norwich are a L1 outfit, West Brom ain't great and Stoke have shown teams the way to do it like we both did 10 years ago.
Excuses won't really wash when we're plummeting towards League One...
posted on 27/12/11
* we're - suggesting Rovers are heading the same way...
posted on 27/12/11
Owen in a coma I know I know ...It's really serious .... (U4545)
posted 24 minutes ago
We are not a top 6 club
****
No - we are a bottom 3 club, courtesy of Owen Coyle. He's tried his best ..but it's not anywhere near good enough. A good manager doesn't rely 100% on star players ..they have to be able to get 100% out of ALL the players in the squad, just in case those star players get injured, or lose their form.
If you can't function with the resources available ..you have to find someone who can. That's the reality of managing a small club on a small budget.
______________________________________________________
I think you are deluding yourself. I agree with the article creator, Coyle is doing his best without the players he needs.
I still remain confident that we will maintain our place in the Premiership and look forward to all the doubters eating their words.
posted on 27/12/11
Everton haven't signed a decent player for 3 years, Newcastle lost key players at the star of the season, Norwich are a L1 outfit, West Brom ain't great and Stoke have shown teams the way to do it like we both did 10 years ago.
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Newcastle have lost one defender, we were without our first choice Full backs and without our first choice CM and RM yesterday.
Everton had a solid squad to begin with, they still have a good team.
posted on 27/12/11
It's all relative
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It sure is ....
Sammy Lee - 7 defeats from the start of a season - 11 games in - dire situation - sacked
Gary Megson - 9 defeats from the start of a season - 18 games in - dire situation - sacked
Owen Coyle - 14 defeats from the start of a season - 18 games in - dire situation - Hey? What's the problem?
posted on 27/12/11
All the bookies now have us odds on to get relegated, and that is worse than it was when I checked four weeks ago: at that time they had us at evens/just above. That was before we went on our one-match winning run, which suggests the bookies are unimpressed by teams like Bolton and Blackburn beating each other - they cannot both lose after all.
What that means in terms of simple probability is that people whose livelihood depends on knowing these things calculate that we are more likely than not to get relegated - quite a lot more likely in most cases: 8/11 on is the longest shot currently.
Even in Megson's darkest hour, the bookies relentlessly had Burnley, Portsmouth and Hull as the three to go down - and so it turned out.
So taking points off wigan and Blackburn - that is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I know it hurts a lot of pepole to face this, but I cannot see how you could not conclude that Coyle has failed in this role. Whether sacking him at this stage would achieve anything is another matter: we are in the unfortunate position of having very little to offer anayone of the right calibre - in 18 months we will be starting off in League 1 on Minus 10 points with a team of schoolboys. It's bad.
posted on 27/12/11
Owen in a coma I know I know ...It's really
I refer you to this post. Points are all relative to how everyone else is doing.
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Coyle saved us from this position before when he took over from Meggo. 18 games in, and in the bottom 3. People need to stop harping on about how Megson had 18 points by this time, it's a different season. 18 points would see as high as 14th in the table. It's all relative.
posted on 27/12/11
We're no more adrift then when Coyle took over. Which he saved us from.
posted on 27/12/11
Newcastle have lost Carroll, Nolan, Barton within the last 12 months. For Everton, Cahill has been in and out with injury and they lost Arteta and Yakubu. As said, West Brom and Norwich could hardly have been considered stronger than either of our squads 18 months ago.
Time for fans of Wanderers to enter the real world (again comparisons to Rovers); the idiots in charge of our clubs have been systematically reducing quality and our positions are deserved!
posted on 27/12/11
Newcastle have lost Carroll, Nolan, Barton within the last 12 months. For Everton, Cahill has been in and out with injury and they lost Arteta and Yakubu. As said, West Brom and Norwich could hardly have been considered stronger than either of our squads 18 months ago.
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Newcastle have brought in a number of top players to replace those who have gone.
posted on 27/12/11
When Coyle ' saved ' us, he was the fresh impetus that the club needed ...the fresh impetus that we now need to tap into once again...
He also had fresh ideas, and the belief of the players around him that he knew what he was doing.
I don't think he has either of those things now, just in the same way Megson hadn't ..and he lost his job as a result.
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