I think he CAN be replaced with better, but don't think he WILL be replaced with better (if he gets the sack, of course).
Thats what i mean,look at who bates has employed? dennis wise(no experience) blackwell(next to no experience)gary mac(no experience) simon grayson- and we know what people think of him.
He wouldnt make an experienced manager like warnock leeds manager thats for sure,that would cost abit of money you see. Bates is the problem but this thread isnt a bates thread,if it was we would be here all day.
Bates didn't employ Blackwell, he was there when he took over.
And just wait for the Anti's
Well look at the other examples instead.
Yes, back to Grayson. I agree I would like to see him given more time. All managers need time to build their own legacy. Alex Ferguson has been building one for 25 years at Man Utd and people forget it took him about seven years to win his first trophy (I think), so sometimes you have to see a manager's failings as a learning curve and see it out.
Also in the championship when you're fairly reliant on the loan market you are going to have a lot of players that look like a waste of time and funds. If Livermore and Bannan were here long term i think they would be very good players. The fact is they were only here for about 2 months.
If Bannan was her permanently he's wouldn't just be very good he'd be our best player
He's had three years and he hasn't built a thing!
We're going backwards under him.
If we weren't people wouldn't be on hear saying how bad he is!
It's just the same nonsense comparing him with Alex Ferguson and banging on about 7th as if it's something!
How can he have done a good job if he has his faults and is far, far from perfect?
More contradictions!
If he's done a good job then he's a good manager.
I'd love for someone to defend him by saying how good he is for a change.
All people do is defend him by saying how bad he is!
Sorry Ryan, I only said that cos any inaccuracies and the antis will just use it as a reason for telling you that you don't know what you are talking about. I agree with yours and the other sentiments here. Not currently a big fan of SG, but time and real investment could work wonders.
'He's had three years and he hasn't built a thing!'
Please tell me how he can build anything when he loses his best players whether it be for fees or because we can't meet their wage demands.
Promotion going backwards? How so?
If we were going backwards we would be in L2 by now.
He has built something,a good core team with somr good potentional prem players and youngsters
mccormack,lees,white,taylor,thompson,lonergan,becchio,somma,snoddy,clayton,howson
i know they are not all signed by sg but he has put them group of players together
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
'mccormack,lees,white,taylor,thompson,lonergan,becchio,somma,snoddy,clayton,howson'
Howson and White certainly need to be kept, we've had problems at LB for years and finally we have solved that position with a decent defender and one that supports attacks well. If we don't achieve promotion (which lets face it is slim) then i really can't see Snodgrass staying.
GO!, did you bother to read the OP? It told you what he had done, but I guess you just ignore things that don't fit your arguments!
He's always dropping McCormack.
He ignored White for three years and told everybody he wasn't a left-back.
We've seen Thompson in about three games.
He hardly played Somma.
If his record with keepers is anything to go by he'll probably want to replace Lonergan in the summer.
But, yeah, let's give him 25 years.
He deserves 25 years to get it right because he got us out of League 1 on the last day of the season and then finsihed 7th.
Can you imagine 25 years of Grayson?
I'd had enough after 2!
He didn't say what Grayson had done, he said where we finished in the table.
See the problem with McCormack and Somma is that neither can play the lone striker role, yet arguably that is our best system.
When we went to Forest and won 4-0 we were at our best we followed it up with a comfortable 2-0 home win over Millwall. The disaster at Millwall though was Howson's injury. He then played 442 at Watford and we were apparently woeful that day and then had a shocking christmas.
Thought Grayson should have replaced Howson directly with Nunez and gave that a try.
To build something you have to be able to keep your best players. You cannot argue that if we still had Delph, Beckford and Gradel then excluding the defence, we would be one class team.
I do believe that the seed has been planted for growth in the future. He has brought in Clayton who will continue to get better I believe. He has handed first team debuts to Charlie Taylor, Zac Thompson and Tom Lees and has made White a regular. By the end of this season Lees will have nearly 150 games to his name, very high for a player of his age. Taylor, Thompson, Lees and White will only get better each year.
We have a good goalkeeper in Lonergan, he was at Preston for a very long time so he isn't the type of guy who will leave at the sight of money, as I doubt he was getting that much at Preston. He is in his late 20's and a goalkeeper can go till his early 40's so that could be our first team goalkeeper sorted few years.
We have promising consistent players in Snodgrass and Howson who still have much to give. Snodgrass needs a few years injury free, he's running out of time to really hit the form of his life whilst in his prime, injuries are breaking his career up into small bits too much and he can't have a whole season been on form due to the injuries. Howson provides so much in a match and people are blind to it because it isn't in your face. When McCormack scores an overhead, you notice. When Snodgrass takes it past 2 players, you notice. But Howson's contributions are very much behind the scenes. He has good passing, a calm head, vision, pace, he can shoot, he can tackle, he can only develop into a good player.
These are the players that I reckon are the future of our club.
Howson
Snodgrass
White
Lees
Lonergan
Possibally Thompson and Taylor but I have barely seen Taylor, he only played a little bit vs Blackpool and Thompson, well he's a wierd one, he's mean to be a CM but he's playing RB, so is he a RB now? I've only seen him play RB once so he'll have to be given time. Grayson has acknowledged he is inexperienced at RB, hence his Arsenal mistake, so maybe a loan spell out somewhere playing at RB, although that would be tricky because the parent club have no say in where they play.
But anyway, my point is, that's around 6 players that can be here for several years to come. Yes Snodgrass was here before Grayson but to be fair, Snodgrass wasn't playing before Grayson. He signed as a striker and Macca always seemed to play him as a striker which I didn't think worked for him. Or playing just off the striker.
I think Grayson knows what he's doing. He's still bringing in very good players even on a limited budget. He's finding them. Whether it's through youth or on a free or cheap. You cannot argue that he still does manage it. If we get Rogers he looks good. He's brought Lees and White in. He's got Townsend on loan and the window isn't even finished yet.
It's already been mentioned but he has been very unlucky has Grayson with his signings. He's signed some decent players and they just haven't performed for us. O'Brien, McCartney, Livermore, Trundle, Vokes, Lowry, McSheffrey, Paynter, Bannan etc.
Again someone who supports Grayson saying what he's done wrong.
He can't sign good players, he can't pick the right team, he can't get the tactics right but we finished 7th so he should stay forever!
Grayson out you have Your opinion same as everyone else, but it would be nice if you at least didn't give Your biased views on a positive thread about Grayson ! After all there are plenty of negative ones for you !
Great original post !
You talk as if Macca ignored Snoddy like Grayson ignored White.
Why say to be fair and then be completely unfair?
Macca brought Snoddy to the club because he knew what a talent he was.
He signed as a 21 year old from the Scottish 1st division.
Macca used him right, that's why he was player of the year for us.
Grayson would have sent him out on loan, or completely ignored, him rather than rest him for the odd game.
Can you imagine what would have happened had Grayson taken straight over from Wise?
Sign in if you want to comment
Simon Grayson deserves more time
Page 1 of 3
posted on 15/1/12
I think he CAN be replaced with better, but don't think he WILL be replaced with better (if he gets the sack, of course).
posted on 15/1/12
Thats what i mean,look at who bates has employed? dennis wise(no experience) blackwell(next to no experience)gary mac(no experience) simon grayson- and we know what people think of him.
He wouldnt make an experienced manager like warnock leeds manager thats for sure,that would cost abit of money you see. Bates is the problem but this thread isnt a bates thread,if it was we would be here all day.
posted on 15/1/12
Bates didn't employ Blackwell, he was there when he took over.
posted on 15/1/12
And just wait for the Anti's
posted on 15/1/12
Well look at the other examples instead.
posted on 15/1/12
Yes, back to Grayson. I agree I would like to see him given more time. All managers need time to build their own legacy. Alex Ferguson has been building one for 25 years at Man Utd and people forget it took him about seven years to win his first trophy (I think), so sometimes you have to see a manager's failings as a learning curve and see it out.
posted on 15/1/12
Also in the championship when you're fairly reliant on the loan market you are going to have a lot of players that look like a waste of time and funds. If Livermore and Bannan were here long term i think they would be very good players. The fact is they were only here for about 2 months.
posted on 15/1/12
If Bannan was her permanently he's wouldn't just be very good he'd be our best player
posted on 15/1/12
He's had three years and he hasn't built a thing!
We're going backwards under him.
If we weren't people wouldn't be on hear saying how bad he is!
It's just the same nonsense comparing him with Alex Ferguson and banging on about 7th as if it's something!
How can he have done a good job if he has his faults and is far, far from perfect?
More contradictions!
If he's done a good job then he's a good manager.
I'd love for someone to defend him by saying how good he is for a change.
All people do is defend him by saying how bad he is!
posted on 15/1/12
Sorry Ryan, I only said that cos any inaccuracies and the antis will just use it as a reason for telling you that you don't know what you are talking about. I agree with yours and the other sentiments here. Not currently a big fan of SG, but time and real investment could work wonders.
posted on 15/1/12
'He's had three years and he hasn't built a thing!'
Please tell me how he can build anything when he loses his best players whether it be for fees or because we can't meet their wage demands.
posted on 15/1/12
Promotion going backwards? How so?
posted on 15/1/12
If we were going backwards we would be in L2 by now.
posted on 15/1/12
He has built something,a good core team with somr good potentional prem players and youngsters
mccormack,lees,white,taylor,thompson,lonergan,becchio,somma,snoddy,clayton,howson
i know they are not all signed by sg but he has put them group of players together
posted on 15/1/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 15/1/12
'mccormack,lees,white,taylor,thompson,lonergan,becchio,somma,snoddy,clayton,howson'
Howson and White certainly need to be kept, we've had problems at LB for years and finally we have solved that position with a decent defender and one that supports attacks well. If we don't achieve promotion (which lets face it is slim) then i really can't see Snodgrass staying.
posted on 15/1/12
GO!, did you bother to read the OP? It told you what he had done, but I guess you just ignore things that don't fit your arguments!
posted on 16/1/12
He's always dropping McCormack.
He ignored White for three years and told everybody he wasn't a left-back.
We've seen Thompson in about three games.
He hardly played Somma.
If his record with keepers is anything to go by he'll probably want to replace Lonergan in the summer.
But, yeah, let's give him 25 years.
He deserves 25 years to get it right because he got us out of League 1 on the last day of the season and then finsihed 7th.
Can you imagine 25 years of Grayson?
I'd had enough after 2!
posted on 16/1/12
He didn't say what Grayson had done, he said where we finished in the table.
posted on 16/1/12
I was right then.
posted on 16/1/12
See the problem with McCormack and Somma is that neither can play the lone striker role, yet arguably that is our best system.
When we went to Forest and won 4-0 we were at our best we followed it up with a comfortable 2-0 home win over Millwall. The disaster at Millwall though was Howson's injury. He then played 442 at Watford and we were apparently woeful that day and then had a shocking christmas.
Thought Grayson should have replaced Howson directly with Nunez and gave that a try.
posted on 16/1/12
To build something you have to be able to keep your best players. You cannot argue that if we still had Delph, Beckford and Gradel then excluding the defence, we would be one class team.
I do believe that the seed has been planted for growth in the future. He has brought in Clayton who will continue to get better I believe. He has handed first team debuts to Charlie Taylor, Zac Thompson and Tom Lees and has made White a regular. By the end of this season Lees will have nearly 150 games to his name, very high for a player of his age. Taylor, Thompson, Lees and White will only get better each year.
We have a good goalkeeper in Lonergan, he was at Preston for a very long time so he isn't the type of guy who will leave at the sight of money, as I doubt he was getting that much at Preston. He is in his late 20's and a goalkeeper can go till his early 40's so that could be our first team goalkeeper sorted few years.
We have promising consistent players in Snodgrass and Howson who still have much to give. Snodgrass needs a few years injury free, he's running out of time to really hit the form of his life whilst in his prime, injuries are breaking his career up into small bits too much and he can't have a whole season been on form due to the injuries. Howson provides so much in a match and people are blind to it because it isn't in your face. When McCormack scores an overhead, you notice. When Snodgrass takes it past 2 players, you notice. But Howson's contributions are very much behind the scenes. He has good passing, a calm head, vision, pace, he can shoot, he can tackle, he can only develop into a good player.
These are the players that I reckon are the future of our club.
Howson
Snodgrass
White
Lees
Lonergan
Possibally Thompson and Taylor but I have barely seen Taylor, he only played a little bit vs Blackpool and Thompson, well he's a wierd one, he's mean to be a CM but he's playing RB, so is he a RB now? I've only seen him play RB once so he'll have to be given time. Grayson has acknowledged he is inexperienced at RB, hence his Arsenal mistake, so maybe a loan spell out somewhere playing at RB, although that would be tricky because the parent club have no say in where they play.
But anyway, my point is, that's around 6 players that can be here for several years to come. Yes Snodgrass was here before Grayson but to be fair, Snodgrass wasn't playing before Grayson. He signed as a striker and Macca always seemed to play him as a striker which I didn't think worked for him. Or playing just off the striker.
I think Grayson knows what he's doing. He's still bringing in very good players even on a limited budget. He's finding them. Whether it's through youth or on a free or cheap. You cannot argue that he still does manage it. If we get Rogers he looks good. He's brought Lees and White in. He's got Townsend on loan and the window isn't even finished yet.
It's already been mentioned but he has been very unlucky has Grayson with his signings. He's signed some decent players and they just haven't performed for us. O'Brien, McCartney, Livermore, Trundle, Vokes, Lowry, McSheffrey, Paynter, Bannan etc.
posted on 16/1/12
Again someone who supports Grayson saying what he's done wrong.
He can't sign good players, he can't pick the right team, he can't get the tactics right but we finished 7th so he should stay forever!
posted on 16/1/12
Grayson out you have Your opinion same as everyone else, but it would be nice if you at least didn't give Your biased views on a positive thread about Grayson ! After all there are plenty of negative ones for you !
Great original post !
posted on 16/1/12
You talk as if Macca ignored Snoddy like Grayson ignored White.
Why say to be fair and then be completely unfair?
Macca brought Snoddy to the club because he knew what a talent he was.
He signed as a 21 year old from the Scottish 1st division.
Macca used him right, that's why he was player of the year for us.
Grayson would have sent him out on loan, or completely ignored, him rather than rest him for the odd game.
Can you imagine what would have happened had Grayson taken straight over from Wise?
Page 1 of 3