I'm surprised there are a few Forest fans on here who see BD for what he is. Fair play to you guys.
Another thing to think about is why has your chairman now decided to leave? 2 years of working with that manipulative little **** would be enough to do anyone's swede in.
ever considered that Billy has a talent that both his predecessors and successors dont?
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I think a lot of it's as simple as that. Billy not the nicest of blokes so people like to blame him for things that aren't his fault.
The truth is, if you have a Manager of proven ability at this level, like Billy. You sack him and appoint a proven failure like Cotternil you not going to be as good.
LloydX
That's a pretty good assessment of BD. I thought it was odd that Pemberton was let go as soon as Davies joined and only McGugan, who was already emerging, was the only home-grown player developed by Davies.
I think Davies & Jewell equally culpable for Derby's mess. Davies spent £15-20m and apart from the money recouped from the sales of Earnshaw & Miller (whose wages at Rangers were partly subsidised by Derby), losses were made: Claude Davies, Feilhaber etc. Jewell wasted a parachute payment (best part of £10m plus Jan 08) and his January signings were costly. In terms of resources, Davies much more costly.
I would give Davies a little leeway over Preston as Paul Simpson & Irvine followed him and I'm not sure I'd blame Billy for Preston's downfall, though I wish Davies had shown more of the shrewdness regarding signings that he did at Deepdale (£100k for Nugent).
In short, Davies can achieve quick/short term results but brings dissension, and seems to work against boards rather than with them. I think there is a genuine question mark over his abilities to manage without sufficient resources. He was offered the Derby job in 2005, but distanced himself due to our financial situation. He moved to us in 2006 after new owners probably attracted him with the offer of transfer funds.
Just like to add that Bolder/Tougher Than You made some excellent points as well.
Aye aye Cap'n,
Funny you should mention Nugent, I was thinking the other day has he done much since?
I was talking to a Preston fan the other day and Claude's name came up, he said he's still an absolute legend at Preston,another player who can't play without BD's brand of 'motivation'?
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posted on 30/1/12
I'm surprised there are a few Forest fans on here who see BD for what he is. Fair play to you guys.
Another thing to think about is why has your chairman now decided to leave? 2 years of working with that manipulative little **** would be enough to do anyone's swede in.
posted on 30/1/12
ever considered that Billy has a talent that both his predecessors and successors dont?
_________
I think a lot of it's as simple as that. Billy not the nicest of blokes so people like to blame him for things that aren't his fault.
The truth is, if you have a Manager of proven ability at this level, like Billy. You sack him and appoint a proven failure like Cotternil you not going to be as good.
posted on 31/1/12
LloydX
That's a pretty good assessment of BD. I thought it was odd that Pemberton was let go as soon as Davies joined and only McGugan, who was already emerging, was the only home-grown player developed by Davies.
I think Davies & Jewell equally culpable for Derby's mess. Davies spent £15-20m and apart from the money recouped from the sales of Earnshaw & Miller (whose wages at Rangers were partly subsidised by Derby), losses were made: Claude Davies, Feilhaber etc. Jewell wasted a parachute payment (best part of £10m plus Jan 08) and his January signings were costly. In terms of resources, Davies much more costly.
I would give Davies a little leeway over Preston as Paul Simpson & Irvine followed him and I'm not sure I'd blame Billy for Preston's downfall, though I wish Davies had shown more of the shrewdness regarding signings that he did at Deepdale (£100k for Nugent).
In short, Davies can achieve quick/short term results but brings dissension, and seems to work against boards rather than with them. I think there is a genuine question mark over his abilities to manage without sufficient resources. He was offered the Derby job in 2005, but distanced himself due to our financial situation. He moved to us in 2006 after new owners probably attracted him with the offer of transfer funds.
posted on 31/1/12
Just like to add that Bolder/Tougher Than You made some excellent points as well.
posted on 31/1/12
Aye aye Cap'n,
Funny you should mention Nugent, I was thinking the other day has he done much since?
I was talking to a Preston fan the other day and Claude's name came up, he said he's still an absolute legend at Preston,another player who can't play without BD's brand of 'motivation'?
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