We clearly all have varying opinions on how Poch did. I consistently said that the injuries he had to deal with were ridiculous. And we likely all have varying opinions on the new manager. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though, not sure that means there's a narrative or an agenda as such.

Think we all just want the same thing which is a settled team and squad that consistently performs to a standard befitting of what we traditionally have come to expect from a Chelsea side over the last couple of decades.

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 21 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.
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Contrasting what the job's expectations are (the boards & fans) combined with what the previous manager gave him to work with, the last one who had foundations like this to be comfortable managing for a bit was Lampard inheriting Sarri's work.

And he most certainly has a better base to work from, thanks to Pochettino, than what Pochettino himself had to start from. Jesus Christ
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Your boy Jose benefitted more than most

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 8 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.
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Contrasting what the job's expectations are (the boards & fans) combined with what the previous manager gave him to work with, the last one who had foundations like this to be comfortable managing for a bit was Lampard inheriting Sarri's work.

And he most certainly has a better base to work from, thanks to Pochettino, than what Pochettino himself had to start from. Jesus Christ
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Poch inherited a good young squad and beasted them into injury hell.
He didn't implement any tactical changes, apart form pre season where we looked good and then he bottled it game one. This highlights to me a manager with no plan of action.

He got buy last season due to palmers brilliance and the fact that he was a good man manager, he was never enough to take this club forward

You can spin vibes all you like, this manager although early has done far more to progress the team than anyone since tommys first season.

you can also talk about our games weve played and say we should have conceded 6 against bmouth and lsot to wolves but the facts are we didnt. We kept a clean sheat against bmouth despite playin shiet and we outscored wolves.

All things we would absolutely not have done last year under poch where we couldn't score ort keep the ball out the back of the net for the vast majority of last season.

Maresca is also not bottling public appearances. hes not using the youth of the squad as an excuse hes telling them to go out and show that you are serious

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 21 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.
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Contrasting what the job's expectations are (the boards & fans) combined with what the previous manager gave him to work with, the last one who had foundations like this to be comfortable managing for a bit was Lampard inheriting Sarri's work.

And he most certainly has a better base to work from, thanks to Pochettino, than what Pochettino himself had to start from. Jesus Christ
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Your boy Jose benefitted more than most
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No argument, the best foundation any one of our managers has ever had were the one's provided by Abramovich & Ranieri for him

comment by MonTT (U22775)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 8 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.
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Contrasting what the job's expectations are (the boards & fans) combined with what the previous manager gave him to work with, the last one who had foundations like this to be comfortable managing for a bit was Lampard inheriting Sarri's work.

And he most certainly has a better base to work from, thanks to Pochettino, than what Pochettino himself had to start from. Jesus Christ
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Poch inherited a good young squad and beasted them into injury hell.
He didn't implement any tactical changes, apart form pre season where we looked good and then he bottled it game one. This highlights to me a manager with no plan of action.

He got buy last season due to palmers brilliance and the fact that he was a good man manager, he was never enough to take this club forward

You can spin vibes all you like, this manager although early has done far more to progress the team than anyone since tommys first season.

you can also talk about our games weve played and say we should have conceded 6 against bmouth and lsot to wolves but the facts are we didnt. We kept a clean sheat against bmouth despite playin shiet and we outscored wolves.

All things we would absolutely not have done last year under poch where we couldn't score ort keep the ball out the back of the net for the vast majority of last season.

Maresca is also not bottling public appearances. hes not using the youth of the squad as an excuse hes telling them to go out and show that you are serious


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Strange takes these. Your talking in absolutes when really we are none the wiser. Performances will need to improve if we want to keep papering over the cracks though.

That feels like a response to Nick & not to me Mons?

I will pick up on the vibes point though cos it doesn't work. Pochettino had the stats in his favour (total opposite of vibes), Gallagher was the best presser in the league last season, Jackson did have one of the worst xG returns, everything from chances created to progressive passes was up from the previous season (even in the 1st half of the season) & suggested a team on an upward trajectory likely to improve expeditiously.

These are indications the manager was doing his job effectively.

Yep, poch had some weird ideas (Colwill lb, chillwell lw) but we improved massively through the season despite most injuries like i say and as devil says, awful finishing for all except palmer.

It seems now we’re putting away chances but it’s not like they’ve been easier chances than last year.

Also Maresca took over a much superior team than poch.
Didn’t we finished 12th year before poch? Maresca took over a team who were top 4 in form since Xmas

It's a bit crazy that over the last 19 PL games we've W11 D6 L2.

That's a great return for a really inconsistent team.

Has to be said our performances under Poch were hugely skewed by how brilliant Palmer was too

He's regressed slightly this term...only to be expected he was never keeping that level up, but no doubting his talent, & others are playing better around him now

It's an interesting question to ask where we might have finished last season without Palmer. We'll never know but this season we don't look remotely as reliant on him as we did last season, which can only be a good thing.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
It's an interesting question to ask where we might have finished last season without Palmer. We'll never know but this season we don't look remotely as reliant on him as we did last season, which can only be a good thing.
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On the flip side (and im not saying its the case), but to play devils advocate he seems to be getting preferential treatment and double marked. Could this mean more space on the left and in the middle for jackson and recently sancho. Or when hes moved middle, more space for madueke

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's an interesting question to ask where we might have finished last season without Palmer. We'll never know but this season we don't look remotely as reliant on him as we did last season, which can only be a good thing.
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yep...fair point

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Has to be said our performances under Poch were hugely skewed by how brilliant Palmer was too

He's regressed slightly this term...only to be expected he was never keeping that level up, but no doubting his talent, & others are playing better around him now
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has he regressed or is he now in a team where we are not overly reliant on him?

comment by MonTT (U22775)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Has to be said our performances under Poch were hugely skewed by how brilliant Palmer was too

He's regressed slightly this term...only to be expected he was never keeping that level up, but no doubting his talent, & others are playing better around him now
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has he regressed or is he now in a team where we are not overly reliant on him?


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Time will tell

I don't think he's regressed at all, we're just playing more as a functioning team where any one player can be taken out of the team without the team collapsing. And given how many injuries we usually get that can only be a good thing.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think he's regressed at all, we're just playing more as a functioning team where any one player can be taken out of the team without the team collapsing. And given how many injuries we usually get that can only be a good thing.
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spot on
We have become obsessed over the years by having a starting 11 and then "back ups" and forced to watch city have a competitive team no matter who they play on the pitch.

Its refreshing to see

Regressed is probably not the right word...he's currently not as dynamic right now..because he was insanely good before - because he needed to be

Seems to be playing a bit more centrally this season and teams are targeted him a bit more whether that be man mark or kicking lumps out of him.

Break out season was very good, let's see if he can continue to produce those high standards he got to.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
Tbf to Poch he got us to a final and a semi final in both domestic cups, eventually losing to City and Pool.
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Shush.....those kinda facts don't suit the narrative
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There's a narrative? I'm confused. Poch did alright, got us 6th after what was a poor first half of the season and got us to a league cup final as mentioned. And he may well have improved on that 6th place this season although we'll never know now as the club decided to part ways with him.

There's no real narrative though that I can see apart from us fans having to accept that fact and move on. The new manager has made a good start so let's all be positive and get behind him as we have little other choice as fans.
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There is always a narrative on here, be it players or managers. TheTuchel was a poor manager is one of the classics and then it transgressed to Poch. Whatever happened to objectivity?

And now, after just 5 league games,no home wins in the PL and wins agst weak opponents the narrative is we are better last season

Again, any chance of some objectivity

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 hours, 25 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.

We're certainly a better team when he took over then when poch did. He played a part in developing and nurturing jackson, palmer and caicedo improved immensely last few months of last year.
Gusto too was brilliant under poch.

We also didnt have nkunku, enzo, fofana, tosin, lavia, Colwill, Chukwuemeka, Sanchez. Infact we had the most injuries in Europe (and im gjuessing therefore the world) last year.

Currently as I type this only Reece James is missing from our squad.

Comparing apples and oranges imo.
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Yes, fair comment

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by MonTT (U22775)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 8 minutes ago
Mons, whilst we have to move on. I dont think we can judge maresca yet and even then I think poch actually laid a lot of groundwork for him.
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Contrasting what the job's expectations are (the boards & fans) combined with what the previous manager gave him to work with, the last one who had foundations like this to be comfortable managing for a bit was Lampard inheriting Sarri's work.

And he most certainly has a better base to work from, thanks to Pochettino, than what Pochettino himself had to start from. Jesus Christ
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Poch inherited a good young squad and beasted them into injury hell.
He didn't implement any tactical changes, apart form pre season where we looked good and then he bottled it game one. This highlights to me a manager with no plan of action.

He got buy last season due to palmers brilliance and the fact that he was a good man manager, he was never enough to take this club forward

You can spin vibes all you like, this manager although early has done far more to progress the team than anyone since tommys first season.

you can also talk about our games weve played and say we should have conceded 6 against bmouth and lsot to wolves but the facts are we didnt. We kept a clean sheat against bmouth despite playin shiet and we outscored wolves.

All things we would absolutely not have done last year under poch where we couldn't score ort keep the ball out the back of the net for the vast majority of last season.

Maresca is also not bottling public appearances. hes not using the youth of the squad as an excuse hes telling them to go out and show that you are serious


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Strange takes these. Your talking in absolutes when really we are none the wiser. Performances will need to improve if we want to keep papering over the cracks though.
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Interesting to me that Hazard's brilliance has never been used to discredit Conte's or Jose's achievements yet Palmer's was to discredit Poch's tenure

Anyone have this year's FM? I just picked it up & looking over us for the first time.

It's done Palmer so dirty. He came out of nowhere so I can understand his attributes being a bit off but 13/20 composure is a p!ss take

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
Tbf to Poch he got us to a final and a semi final in both domestic cups, eventually losing to City and Pool.
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Shush.....those kinda facts don't suit the narrative
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There's a narrative? I'm confused. Poch did alright, got us 6th after what was a poor first half of the season and got us to a league cup final as mentioned. And he may well have improved on that 6th place this season although we'll never know now as the club decided to part ways with him.

There's no real narrative though that I can see apart from us fans having to accept that fact and move on. The new manager has made a good start so let's all be positive and get behind him as we have little other choice as fans.
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There is always a narrative on here, be it players or managers. TheTuchel was a poor manager is one of the classics and then it transgressed to Poch. Whatever happened to objectivity?
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Hmm dunno. Who's saying that Tuchel was poor ? Guy won us the CL so obviously he was anything but that.

I know some on here didn't like Poch but I don't see how anyone can say he's a poor manager. Think that would be a very difficult argument to make given our top four form since Christmas with an injury ravaged squad. That's obviously very far from poor.

Sterling carrying this Arsenal team.