Micheal Schumacher broke the rules in Monaco by sitting in Casino Square, take away his super licence!! Your arguments are getting ridiculous now

Not at all. They are all given a specific target of fuel remaining to meet. Whether under fuelling provides the speed is irrelevant to the final outcome which is the possibility of the driver running out of fuel and not being able to cross the line. So if he is underfuelled and runs faster in for example 2 or 3 laps gaining 3 seconds over a rival which is huge in F1, the result could be running out at the end on fuel. Seems the same to me as the one in qualifying. The fact that no one was punished at Bahrain, either Lewis or Roseberg tell you all you need to know. The can make up the rules if they want to and even ignore it and use the disgression of the stewards if they want to as well.

comment by MadMancHatter (U10925)




posted 4 minutes ago



Vettel had enough fuel to comply with the regulations, Hamilton did not. That is why Hamilton was given a penalty not because Hamilton is black


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How did you know he had enough fuel? Why would the team stop him on the truck? As far as i know, they was no mechanical problem reported so why wasn't he investigated?

There is no comparison as there is no regulation that requires you to return to the pits at the end of a race, that is why drivers are not punished for it.
No other driver has failed to return to the pits at the end of quali other than Hamilton (who has done it twice gaining pole both times), if another driver had done it and not been penalised then you may have a case but you are comparing Apples and Oranges in order to back up your frankly ridiculous (IMO) claims.

G_A if Vettel had not had enough fuel in his tank to satisfy the FIA's testing protocals do you not think we would have heard about it? He was not investigated because he did not break any rules.

JUG

I think you meant to say Rascasse rather than Casino.

However, my point is about the level of punishment and the inconsistent approach that the stewards have.

Hilarious really. No regulations say drivers must return to the pit either after qualifying. The rule is to bring in the car for testing in both cases and if underfuelled, the driver would have to stop after the race as we saw in Vettles and qualifying as we saw in Hamiltons to have the required minimum fuel left. Not such a hard concept is it? Clearly there are holes in a dubiou rule if you ask me. For example, Vettle driving to the fuel test after the race in Bahrain for example could have left him short of possibly not making the minimum and stripped of his win. Wait.... i'm dreaming. Wouldn't happen to a white driver.

comment by MadMancHatter (U10925)




posted 4 minutes ago



G_A if Vettel had not had enough fuel in his tank to satisfy the FIA's testing protocals do you not think we would have heard about it? He was not investigated because he did not break any rules.



And you guess why he probably passed the test? Because of his team ordering him to stop immediately perhaps to meet the minimum fuel level? How is that different to Lewis'?

What a joke mclaren are! The penalty is a ridiculous one but why give them anything to punish him with? If hammy loses the championship by 10+ points it will come down to this and bahrain where the driver was doing a great job but was let down by his team!

6.6.2 Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time
during the Event.

Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample
of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back
to the pits under its own power.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/05/hamilton-hammered-by-stewards-for-fuel-issue-in-qualifying/

read this, regulations were put in place to stop people under fueling in quali to gain an advantage after Hamilton got pole in similar circumstances in Canada a few years back.
No such regulation exists for the end of the race, and therefore you cannot be penalised for not returning to the pits after winning. I guarantee you that if Hamilton had had the right amount of fuel and returned to the garage then won tomorrow stopping on track immediately after the race he would have received no punishment!

6.6.2 Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time
during the Event

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"During the event" So does it specify free practice and Qualifying but excluded the races itself. Good research there.

MadManc perhaps you should read the above. What you failing to understand is, the cars could be short of fuel at the end in both qualifying and the races and wouldn't meet the minimum. In this case, stopping the car to prevent this is tempering with the test in both cases. Is that too hard to understand?

Look maybe they should just say Formula 1 Entertainment like the WWE has done to include the "entertainment" at the end and races can be won or lost in the stewards office, no problem. Putting the word "competitive" next to F1 these days is an insult to us fans.

I pass you onto James Allens article again, he knows far more about this sport than any of us. The distinction comes with this sentence "if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power" as far as I understand it quali is designated as a practice session for these regualtions where as the race is not.

Btw does hammy get his tyres back then? Or does he still have to go on the used set?

Hammy, I would suspect that as he was disqualified from quali he gets to start with what ever tires he chooses as he is no longer subject to the Q3 regulations.

Under the rules the "event" is the practice sessions and the race.

The practice sessions include qualifying.

Rule 6.6.2. is discretionary not mandatory. The punishment is not included in the rules. Hence, why not strip Hamilton of his super licence and rendition him to Somalia. That would please the football fans.

Madmanc- What I ment was does he get a brand new set of tyres that he would of had for qualy but because they have made it as if he didn't take part then surely he does?

comment by JustAnotherGunner. Kimi Raikkonen inspires me to be a more self involved individual (U5867)

posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago

is it just me that are praising the FIA for this, the rules are there for a reason and rightly punished the McLaren TEAM for it, not just Hamilton.

Break the Rules and be punished
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So why were Ferrari allowed to break the team order rule and escape punishment?

Why at Monza did Schumi move multiple times and escape punishment?

You aren't knowledgable about this sport. Stop embarassing yourself

sounds like another mclaren ballls up to me. id be absoloutely livid if i was hamilton.

People wonder why he hasn't signed a new contract. If it was me, I would be eyeing up Mercedes or Team Lotus

True, Daredevil.

I can see Lewis at Red Bull next year. Rumour has it that Webber is gonna replace Massa at Ferrari in 2013 so...

I remember this happening to Hamilton before i.e. Not having enough fuel to get back to the pits, but can't recall it happening to another driver? Surely it must have done?

If not then twice for the same driver would seem like more than pure fluke. In that case surely his team, his engineers or himself have purposely intended to under fuel the car to get the pole?

I never fully believe the naiveness of drivers re; Alonso not knowing about crashgate etc, Hamilton about liegate.

Why can't everyone be like Kimi and just race, no excuses (apart from when you miss Pele giving Schummy an award that is)

I don't think its racism at all. I dont think Hamilton cares wot colour they are.......seriously, shouldn't he have just been penalised for q3, therefore starting 10th. That said if I was Lewis I'd be giving my team what for.

How the hell would hamilton of known they were going to under fuel his car? Stop making crap up to support your arguement. He was done over by the stewards and his team yet again!