FACT.... Clive has a problem, which manifests itself as an unhealthy obsessional hatred of one person. Most of the rest of us can't understand this hatred as he won't give us a real reason.
There are many theories, but they aren't FACT.

I'll agree points 2-4 and am pleased to have NW as manager but never paid much attention to him before coming to us.

Could you demonstrate his qualities with a precise comparison to Grayson so that I may judge your first point based on facts please?

5, the season starts latter and that means we have more time then normal to sign players

6, We are about to sign a better keeper something that would not have even been talked about with grayson sti here.

7, We have offers our best player a new better deal something that would not have happend if grayson was still here

8, Getting linked with better players

9, if he walks then all the fan base will turn against bates

10, more hope

Agree with it all apart from 'A poor manager'.

Good points meme well made but may I add

5. or not sign them
6 believe it when it happens
7 how much better?
8 linked isn't signed as we know
9 likeley true
10 There's always hope, but is it no hope?

1. A good manager who has won promotion 3 times in only 7 seasons as a manager saw a 7th place finish, in a season where we were in close to the top 2 halfway through the season but was not given the resources by our spendthrift chairman to add to the squad when required, as overachievement, has been replaced by a manager who has won 7 promotions in 31 years and was managing the mighty Notts County when he was our previous manager's age, has stated his intention to achieve promotion (well he's hardly going to say differently is he!!)

2. A promising young player has signed a new 4 year contract and stated he's excited about the manager's plans for the coming season (well he's hardly going to say differently is he?!!)

Let's not turn this into another ******* Grayson debate, where you all leap to his defence.

Regardless of how good or bad you think Grayson is, Warnock is better.

Lurker, Grayson didn't aim for promotion and was delighted to finish 7th, playing us down as a League 1 team.

Lurker, he could just trot out standard lines, but Lees has spoken with genuine enthusiasm about Warnock and his plans, in a way you rarely see.

Did Becchio say the same about Grayson when he signed his new deal?

Based on the facts presented by lurker Grayson is 24 years less experienced with a success rate which suggests 13 promotions in 31 years

Current score Grayson 1 Warnock 0

I fully support both managers and have no axe to grind just judging the facts currently presented in this argument.

Core blimey, I hope nobody's reading these boards that have just had major surgery, it could be life threatening!..

Being a Leeds fan should have a Government health warning stating that there are plenty of beds in the padded wards for those that cant sleep well!..

But then people can wonder!..

Why did Macca get the chop when he said he wanted to sort the defense?..

Why couldn't a defender sort the defense?..

Why does a club sell its best players?..

Why doesn't a club replace its best players?..

How can a team pay for itself when what it sells is always taken away from it?..

How many players that Grayson got were his first choice players?..

What happened to names that were linked to our club but went somewhere else at the last minute?..

Why wasn't Warnock brought in sooner?..

Why does Warnock say he has the full backing of the board?..

Who was lying when Grayson said he had the full backing?..

Why does our Chairman have such a crush on Judges?..

Why cant I be bothered to ask about the Stadium?..

How long will it be before our new manager walks?

Why have I given Clive all these questions when I know he'll not answer?..

Clive - I cannot answer your Becchio question, then again you know all about not being able to answer questions don't you?!! (just look back at White BL's queston above for example).

Lurker

I think you need to look at how many now prem players he had to use.

I fully support both managers and have no axe to grind just judging the facts currently presented in this argument.
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White BL - exactly

Warnock is not better than Grayson as a manager, his record doesn't stand up to Simons. SG has won promotion with every single club that he has managed and never been relegated. NW has been relegated and has seen the sack more often than postman pat. You only have to look at their respective records with Leeds last year to see that Grayson was much much better than Warnock. Warnock must go and I hope that his increasingly pathetic band of apologists go with him.

Based on the facts presented by lurker Grayson is 24 years less experienced with a success rate which suggests 13 promotions in 31 years

Current score Grayson 1 Warnock 0
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About here and now.

Not 10 years time.

Grayson got no one into prem nw has.

There's some ridiculous people on here.

Lurker

I think you need to look at how many now prem players he had to use.
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Thus proving his managerial and particularly coaching skills helped them develop into prem players wouldn't you say meme?

Errrr no

Wtf are you on?

So are you saying with out sg they would not have got into the prem

Dear me.

Grayson buggered Clive's missus

Not saying that at all meme but a manager/coach does take some credit for developing players - or do you totally disagree?

Even if he drops them and plays them out of position?

Ben - I'm gobsmacked that Clive ever had a missus!!

"I think you need to look at how many now prem players he had to use."

Well no better way to shoot yourself in the foot eh?..

Did Grayson have our Chairman's blessing when he sold his best players from under his nose?..

That must be why he got the boot, and I thought it was because Bates wanted to bring Warnock in!.

Clive and ridiculous, it goes hand in hand!.