Atleast Henderson isn't meant to be in his prime
Would it make any difference. Liverpool spent a lot of money in what they considered to be the best of British (outside their rivals Brits) and all are in the England squad.
United play Jones, Smalling, Cleverley, Rooney, Welbeck and you still think the England team is rubbish.
Arsenal play Gibbs, Walcott, AOC, would play Wilshere, and Ramsey and yet you still think England are rubbish.
There are lots of young English talents in the PL, and still the England squad is deemed by many to be rubbish.
It is nothing to do with the freedom to pick as many foreigners as possible, but the lack of talent and poor coaching available.
No, it is a bad idea. It won't make the English players better. All your get is more teams like Stoke playing anti-football. Then the EPL will be poor. Think about it if you got rid of the foreigner players they would just be replaced with English players that are average.
The only way to make the National team compete again is actually teach our youngsters how to play football properly. Focus on technical ability, keeping possession etc.
Paul Scholes' Vision (U6815)
i agree with the focusing on technical ability, dont u think the 6+5 would create a stronger competition between the english talents?
Not so sure, it hasn't done to much damage to Bayern, Barca, Real and they seem to do ok and in 98 when France won the WC most of their sqaud was based overseas.
The biggest problem in the UK is fat lazy kids and the lack of good facilites for kids and then the fear of letting them play out in the street. When I was a kid there was always about 30/40 kids out in my street, now you don't see any, they're all sat at home behind a laptop or an xbox. The we have this view from most of the top clubs that they value their club ahead of the nation. Most United fans would rather see us win the league and CL than see England doing well, if both happen then great but we all saw what the national reaction to beckham was and then rooney
dont u think the 6+5 would create a stronger competition between the english talents?
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Or would it mean the top clubs stockpiling the best English players, meaning a lot don't get games (a bit like Parker, Sidwell, SWP at Chelsea, or Adam Johnson, SWP, Sturridge at City).
If English players are good enough they will get games. Arsenal are seen as some sort of anti-English club, yet Gibbs, Jenkinson, Wilshere, Frimpong, Walcott, AOC all get games when fit.
Would Arsenal signing, say, Lee Cattermole to suit the criteria make Cattermole turn into top international quality, or would it make Arsenal a worse team?
Would City playing Adam Johnson ahead of David Silva to suit the ruling make Johnson better than Silva, or just weaken City?
So the foreign players are to blame for England football team being $hit, and the EU foreigners are to blame for the nation of England 'being on it's knees' (whatever that means)?
Quality post. It's all Johnny foreigners fault.
There are plenty of top English players and that's not the problem. We need a manager that will stop choosing tried and failing old "golden generation" players and give others a chance based on merit and form.
We have some top young talent around and they are currently at leading clubs or being hunted by top clubs.
Apart from those currently in the senior squad we have the following ho will hopefully get a chance for the Brazil 2014 qualifiers:
Richards
Johnson
Sturridge
Walker
Britton
Sinclaire
Cleverly
frimpong
Clyne
Zaha
Wilshere
Gibbs
If some of these players were foreign everyone would be raving about them but just because they are english they are not deemed as good! Foreign players in the Premier League isn't the problem, it's the National team setup, coach and FA.
this would affect chelsea
this would affect chelsea
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Why? Terry, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Sturridge, Bertrand. Only have to find one or two more to add competition, and I have probably missed someone.
English talent needs to be nurtured and developed better in terms of technical ability at an early age.
I really think foreign players help improve the game as if you look at the likes of Zola Cantona silva Henry and other top foriegn imports inspire English players to be better.
But without improved coaching nothing will improve our technical ability.
Pressed send before I had finished
Like some have said above, all it will do is make the standard of the PL worse, the reason we aren't competing is because we don't have the style of players that are needed. And the ones we use either are just coming through or are not used.
We could have a quality team by 2016 anyway:
--------------------Hart
Richards/Walker - Smalling - Cahill/Jones - Bertrand
AOC - Wilshire - Cleverley - Barkley - ?Johnson?
-----------------Rooney
-----------------Welbeck
Why? Terry, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Sturridge, Bertrand. Only have to find one or two more to add competition, and I have probably missed someone.
terry cole and lampard are getting on and you will need at least 10 english players
^ Mistake in that team above, 12 players take out Barkley or Rooney depending on how young you want the team to be.
And I suppose united would be fine, nan bread, with only: rooney, welbeck and cleverly who would make the starting XI and smalling and jones as the subs?
Nan Bread, well all teams will be affected not just Chelsea.
Woy out
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Young?
Smalling Rio/Smalling/Jones? One of them will play, if not 2.
Arghh. So many mistakes in my last few posts...
I like the 6+5 initiative. In fact, any rule where a set number of English players have to be fielded is a good one, even if it is 7+4 or whatever. Was it the EU that stood in the way of this proposal or UEFA? Either way, would be good to see us press ahead with it but I don't think it will be possible.
According to nan bread you need 10 english players which is strange for him to take the high ground when united themselves don't have 10 english players that could do a job in the first team at the moment either
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaveli -Serge Gnabry>>>>>Ozyakup (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nan Bread, well all teams will be affected not just Chelsea.
man utd would cope fine with it and the lower teams would do cope as well
comment by Woy out (U7316)
posted 4 minutes ago
And I suppose united would be fine, nan bread, with only: rooney, welbeck and cleverly who would make the starting XI and smalling and jones as the subs?
jones
smalling
ferdinand
evans (counts as homegrown)
scholes
giggs (counts as homegrown)
young
welbeck
rooney
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posted on 10/6/12
I agree. Its a good idea
posted on 10/6/12
agree
posted on 10/6/12
Atleast Henderson isn't meant to be in his prime
posted on 10/6/12
Would it make any difference. Liverpool spent a lot of money in what they considered to be the best of British (outside their rivals Brits) and all are in the England squad.
United play Jones, Smalling, Cleverley, Rooney, Welbeck and you still think the England team is rubbish.
Arsenal play Gibbs, Walcott, AOC, would play Wilshere, and Ramsey and yet you still think England are rubbish.
There are lots of young English talents in the PL, and still the England squad is deemed by many to be rubbish.
It is nothing to do with the freedom to pick as many foreigners as possible, but the lack of talent and poor coaching available.
posted on 10/6/12
No, it is a bad idea. It won't make the English players better. All your get is more teams like Stoke playing anti-football. Then the EPL will be poor. Think about it if you got rid of the foreigner players they would just be replaced with English players that are average.
The only way to make the National team compete again is actually teach our youngsters how to play football properly. Focus on technical ability, keeping possession etc.
posted on 10/6/12
Paul Scholes' Vision (U6815)
i agree with the focusing on technical ability, dont u think the 6+5 would create a stronger competition between the english talents?
posted on 10/6/12
Not so sure, it hasn't done to much damage to Bayern, Barca, Real and they seem to do ok and in 98 when France won the WC most of their sqaud was based overseas.
The biggest problem in the UK is fat lazy kids and the lack of good facilites for kids and then the fear of letting them play out in the street. When I was a kid there was always about 30/40 kids out in my street, now you don't see any, they're all sat at home behind a laptop or an xbox. The we have this view from most of the top clubs that they value their club ahead of the nation. Most United fans would rather see us win the league and CL than see England doing well, if both happen then great but we all saw what the national reaction to beckham was and then rooney
posted on 10/6/12
dont u think the 6+5 would create a stronger competition between the english talents?
==========
Or would it mean the top clubs stockpiling the best English players, meaning a lot don't get games (a bit like Parker, Sidwell, SWP at Chelsea, or Adam Johnson, SWP, Sturridge at City).
If English players are good enough they will get games. Arsenal are seen as some sort of anti-English club, yet Gibbs, Jenkinson, Wilshere, Frimpong, Walcott, AOC all get games when fit.
Would Arsenal signing, say, Lee Cattermole to suit the criteria make Cattermole turn into top international quality, or would it make Arsenal a worse team?
Would City playing Adam Johnson ahead of David Silva to suit the ruling make Johnson better than Silva, or just weaken City?
posted on 10/6/12
So the foreign players are to blame for England football team being $hit, and the EU foreigners are to blame for the nation of England 'being on it's knees' (whatever that means)?
Quality post. It's all Johnny foreigners fault.
posted on 10/6/12
There are plenty of top English players and that's not the problem. We need a manager that will stop choosing tried and failing old "golden generation" players and give others a chance based on merit and form.
We have some top young talent around and they are currently at leading clubs or being hunted by top clubs.
Apart from those currently in the senior squad we have the following ho will hopefully get a chance for the Brazil 2014 qualifiers:
Richards
Johnson
Sturridge
Walker
Britton
Sinclaire
Cleverly
frimpong
Clyne
Zaha
Wilshere
Gibbs
If some of these players were foreign everyone would be raving about them but just because they are english they are not deemed as good! Foreign players in the Premier League isn't the problem, it's the National team setup, coach and FA.
posted on 10/6/12
this would affect chelsea
posted on 10/6/12
this would affect chelsea
===========
Why? Terry, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Sturridge, Bertrand. Only have to find one or two more to add competition, and I have probably missed someone.
posted on 10/6/12
English talent needs to be nurtured and developed better in terms of technical ability at an early age.
I really think foreign players help improve the game as if you look at the likes of Zola Cantona silva Henry and other top foriegn imports inspire English players to be better.
posted on 10/6/12
But without improved coaching nothing will improve our technical ability.
Pressed send before I had finished
posted on 10/6/12
Like some have said above, all it will do is make the standard of the PL worse, the reason we aren't competing is because we don't have the style of players that are needed. And the ones we use either are just coming through or are not used.
We could have a quality team by 2016 anyway:
--------------------Hart
Richards/Walker - Smalling - Cahill/Jones - Bertrand
AOC - Wilshire - Cleverley - Barkley - ?Johnson?
-----------------Rooney
-----------------Welbeck
posted on 10/6/12
Why? Terry, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Sturridge, Bertrand. Only have to find one or two more to add competition, and I have probably missed someone.
terry cole and lampard are getting on and you will need at least 10 english players
posted on 10/6/12
^ Mistake in that team above, 12 players take out Barkley or Rooney depending on how young you want the team to be.
posted on 10/6/12
And I suppose united would be fine, nan bread, with only: rooney, welbeck and cleverly who would make the starting XI and smalling and jones as the subs?
posted on 10/6/12
Nan Bread, well all teams will be affected not just Chelsea.
posted on 10/6/12
Woy out
---
Young?
Smalling Rio/Smalling/Jones? One of them will play, if not 2.
posted on 10/6/12
Arghh. So many mistakes in my last few posts...
posted on 10/6/12
I like the 6+5 initiative. In fact, any rule where a set number of English players have to be fielded is a good one, even if it is 7+4 or whatever. Was it the EU that stood in the way of this proposal or UEFA? Either way, would be good to see us press ahead with it but I don't think it will be possible.
posted on 10/6/12
According to nan bread you need 10 english players which is strange for him to take the high ground when united themselves don't have 10 english players that could do a job in the first team at the moment either
posted on 10/6/12
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaveli -Serge Gnabry>>>>>Ozyakup (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nan Bread, well all teams will be affected not just Chelsea.
man utd would cope fine with it and the lower teams would do cope as well
posted on 10/6/12
comment by Woy out (U7316)
posted 4 minutes ago
And I suppose united would be fine, nan bread, with only: rooney, welbeck and cleverly who would make the starting XI and smalling and jones as the subs?
jones
smalling
ferdinand
evans (counts as homegrown)
scholes
giggs (counts as homegrown)
young
welbeck
rooney
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