No more hypocritical than utd fans boring on about how you've "earned" the wealth they have

I wouldn't want a sugar daddy to win titles, I wish Arsenal did win something over these 8 years as I think it would've influenced the way football is run in this country.

Success takes a long time and in our age we want it now, but there are consequences!

But Montpelier seemed to have achieved success in their league while I believe that they are the 13th richest club in the french league.

Paulpowersleftfoot


Since when has the prem been competitive? It is no more competitive than the Spanish league, but not the same quality. Spurs finished 4th last year, but are they realistically going to win the league. The answer is no. The bookies price up the league at the start of the season something like 6/4, 7/4 and a couple at 10s and the rest name your price, that is how competitive it is in reality.

Your lucky you bought your way to the top table like Chelsea, and that is the only way forward now. There is absolutely no way a club is going to come from nowhere to win the league.

"No more hypocritical than utd fans boring on about how you've "earned" the wealth they have"

Here we go again.

Not satisfied with their title win.

I`d love to know why you think we haven`t.

Duncan, nobodie's denying that if the Sheikh hadn't taken over we wouldn't have shattered the glass ceiling and that's the whole point of the article. FFP means it's unlikely that any other club will be an attractive investment now.

Even your club Arsenal had to go into debt to fund a new stadium.
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Debt is not a problem, people are in debt all the time with mortgages and loans , it's when it's unmanageable that is when it's a problem!

Exactly what I said pp a few posts back

For someone like stoke city. a revenue of 59m. How on earth can they ever think of building a new stadium without going into debt and having outside investment?

Would Arsenal's debt be manageable if they suddenly did a Liverpool or Emirates pulled out of their sponsorship deal?

Mr Chelsea, you objected to my argument but didn't engage with the parts that argued for redistributing TV income a lot more.

I do find it ironic that giving carte blanche to billionaires to promote a handful of lucky clubs to the big time is being presented as a means to level the playing field.

If we really want more equality and social mobility among football clubs, there are better ways to do it than hoping an oil baron comes along.

How long is this slow build supposed to take? 20 years of pl football and how many clubs have broken into the top four without financial investment, and how many have managed it consistently?

I maintain that say Everton managed to break into the top four two years on the trott when they did back in the early 00s, their best players would still be easy targets for the already established clubs like Arsenal and United. City and Chelsea can both hold their own on the other hand, at least on a domestic front.

Red Russian - I dont think I've responded to any of your posts on this thread.

Duncan, nobodie's denying that if the Sheikh hadn't taken over we wouldn't have shattered the glass ceiling and that's the whole point of the article. FFP means it's unlikely that any other club will be an attractive investment now.

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but not every team is going to get that kind of investment are they.
surely its better for everyone to be within a certain structure or criteria.

for every City or Chelsea there are probably 30 clubs who havent had major investment and probably never will.
Regardless of who you support, it should all be down to how your club is run.
What you bring in from sales, advertising, ticket revenue and all that stuff, is what you should be able to spend to run your club.

comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901) posted 31 minutes ago

Paul, i know it's highly unlikely but what if roman or the sheik suddenly pulled all their cash and walked away leaving the clubs with a crippling wage bill they could in no way sustain???? Would you be so blase about it then.

What if the banks gave the Glazers 7 days to settle United's debts?

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The bank debt has been settled already so why would they do that?

Red Russian in answer to your post anyway.

Say a club like Aston Villa - How can they increase thier revenues without spending beyond their means?

They need trophies in their cabinet but how can they get them, today in 2012, without spending on good quality players who cost money and want big salaries?

I'm not saying I like the idea of billionaires coming in and pumping money into clubs. Im just saying, what else can you do.?

Are fans, chairmans patient enough now to go with the slow building, year on year, babysteps process? Even then it doesnt guarantee that you'l ever become one of the big boys.

You could invest in your youth academy and go down that route. So Aston Villa start producing youngsters. All that will happen is the big clubs will come and take their youngsters before they even get a chance to win trophies for Villa. Then Villa are back to square one again.

The bottom line is the prem is not a level playing field.

The same clubs always are in the CL, thus making even more money. And making it even more difficult for any other team to break into their monopoly.

We all know if say United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal had finished somehow 4th this season, UEFA would have a found a way around the rules to allow them to compete in the CL.

UEFA and its little gang of clubs have lost all credibility.

sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)

No need to ask who you support

didn't UEFA change the rules to suit Liverpool when they won the CL in istanbul as they hadn't qualified through the league so allowed them to enter as defending champions? the same change of rule that has benefitted chelsea this year

The bottom line is the prem is not a level playing field.

The same clubs always are in the CL, thus making even more money. And making it even more difficult for any other team to break into their monopoly.

We all know if say United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal had finished somehow 4th this season, UEFA would have a found a way around the rules to allow them to compete in the CL.

UEFA and its little gang of clubs have lost all credibility

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look sandy, you should have finished 3rd mate, your players and Redknapp let you down towards the end of the season.

if your club hadnt bottled it towards the end you would have been in the CL safe and sound.

as it was, because spurs bottled it you were reliant on someone else.

you failed, get over it

Sandy no they wouldn't stop sulking over spurs misfortune



The bottom line is the prem is not a level playing field.

find a league that is...

We all know if say United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal had finished somehow 4th this season, UEFA would have a found a way around the rules to allow them to compete in the CL.
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- Seriously?!

TRFC 2012 (U14832)

I`m sure it was something along those lines. It wouldn`t surprise me if they manage to get in this coming season on some kind of loop hole!

duncanedwards_legend

We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it.

Mr Chelsea, I thought your post higher up the thread was quoting my previous post, but maybe it was quoting something similar. Never mind either way.

I'm not suggesting leaving things more or less as they are, a scenario in which (you're quite right) a club like Aston Villa has no chance of closing the gap without stupendous investment.

What I'm suggesting - something that would challenge the hegemony of rich club like United far more than the odd Sheikh - is a radical restructuring of the game to redistribute a large amount of the proceeds around the clubs and into the grass roots. This would reduce (though of course not entirely close) the revenue gap between the big clubs and the rest.

I would impose collective TV deals across all leagues. In England the inequalities are based not on the Premiership, which is redistributive, but the effect of the Champions League money. UEFA runs the CL and has the power to spend its income differently. Of course, the regular participants in the competition (traditional giants and noveaux riches alike) would fight this bitterly and perhaps break away. But it would be worth trying.

sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)

Why would they do it for United?

find a league that is...

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Isles of Scilly Football League.?