Darkphoenix (U11503)
We all know if say United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal had finished somehow 4th this season, UEFA would have a found a way around the rules to allow them to compete in the CL.
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- Seriously?!
Yes seriously, they changed the rules for Liverpool to compete.
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it.
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i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a champions league, without the current champions defending their title.
I'd like to think that they'd have the common sense to do this regardless of who it was.
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SgtBoscoBaracus
Why would they do it for United?
Do you need me to tell you?
sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)
Yes please.
I wouldn't mind you telling me...
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it
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UEFA would make different rules for Arsenal (the only one of those who came close to finishing 4th)?
This is the same organisation we're talking here? The one that bans Wenger for looking at the referee?
The rules were clearly set out at the start of the season, Wenger said he was well aware of them and he accepted them. UEFA wouldn't dare to suddenly change them or they would face a riot.
The talk of duopoly in the La Liga is correct however atleast their national team is built by these 2 teams. Unlike the EPL and England who struggle to put a XI together.
duncanedwards_legend
i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a champions league, without the current champions defending their title.
Why not? They bent the rules to suit.
Bend it for one, bend it for all, or not at all.
they did bend it for all, hence why chelsea got in next years competition...
Meh living above your means always comes back and bite you.... ALWAYS! Whats more, it helps to challenge but in the long run it can never be used to sustain it. Look at chelsea if you need an example. Despite their victories this yr, they have been on a downward path for a few yrs.
City needed to outspend the whole league put together to win this. Does anyone think that too will be sustainable? In 3 yrs time, the same old names, who got there by being managed well and getting some luck with a good manager and history behind them. This is not an american franchise, not until the money is divided equally from tv and merchandizing revenue, and wage/transfer caps too. Even then you still need a good manager.
Sandy
What happened in 2005 was that UEFA set a precedent. They got caught with the embarrassing and unforeseen situation of the trophy winner not being able to defend their trophy. So they found a political solution to this and the rules were amended accordingly. Therefore, there was no ambiguity about what would happen if Chelsea won the competition. The same thing would have happened if Arsenal had finished 4th or if Chelsea had finished 4th and one of the other English teams had won the CL. To deny any of the above is paranoid.
sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)
A feasible answer please.
I know it's a different league but how did Montpellier achieve it?
I think it would've been possible to do it in the PL, you just have to be more savvy and creative.
I don't think having CL money affects that much tbh, of course it helps but if your club is run bad and you have a bad manager (liverpool) it wouldn't matter being in the CL.
We don't want to create a communist type of policy in football, it just rewards those who do not that much!
all because of giroud and his sexiness, now we own that sexiness so we shall win!
i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a
champions league, without the current
champions defending their title.
I'd like to think that they'd have the common
sense to do this regardless of who it was.
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Why not? In the euros the champions dont qualify automatically anymore. Being champions of europe means you should be decent enough to be in the top 4 of their league.
Sandy's an idiot everyone. Dont bother responding to his posts. He chats nonsense and will only end up filtering you.
Red Russian - How do the TV deals work in England and in Spain? I know that Madrid and Barcelona negotiate their own tv rights while the other clubs get their share from the league association. One club I remeber seeing got as little as 12m while Barcelona got 125m for their own rights.
Am I the only one that believes sandy_brown is unnecessarily being a WUM or is extremely paranoid? I know your team would have been in the Champions League last season if it wasn't for Harry Redknapp getting all distracted with England. Let it go, he's gone now!
Darkphoenix (U11503)
No you are not.
He`s a bitter little girl.
In honesty i`d be a tad miffed if i were a spurs fan with the way things went down for them, but bringing United into it without a shred of truth to back it up is plain silly.
Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
La Liga - Barcelona and Real Madrid negotiate there own, which as you said can be 10x those that other clubs receive.
Premier League - One figure that is quoted is then divided into 20 teams.
I hope for one that this never changes, had the Liverpool owners try to bring the argument forward to change the rules, before Sir Alex stepped out and went 'No, just no'.
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it.
They changed the rules so that no more than 4 teams from one country could compete not so that liverpool could qualify
Levy's Itchy Trigger Finger (U7316)
You say they would do it for United, even though you have absolutely no proof of this. Why would they not change it for Tottenham? I have no proof of this, but surely it's not hard to comprehend that they would do it for them, right?
Darkphoenix
Am I the only one that believes sandy_brown is unnecessarily being a WUM or is extremely paranoid? I know your team would have been in the Champions League last season if it wasn't for Harry Redknapp getting all distracted with England. Let it go, he's gone now!
Spurs finished 4th in the premiership, which according to UEFA rules qualifies you for the next seasons CL qualifiers. So Harry did nothing wrong.
Not quite sure what your point is mate
Yes seriously, they changed the rules for Liverpool to compete.
The rule was establishe the year Liverpool won the CL, that's why they was let back in because of that specific rule. Did you expect Everton to not be allowed in the competition like Spurs? It's different situations.
Spurs finished 4th in the premiership, which according to UEFA rules qualifies you for the next seasons CL qualifiers. So Harry did nothing wrong.
The uefa rules also say that the most amount of teams a country can have in the champions league is 4
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posted on 3/7/12
Darkphoenix (U11503)
We all know if say United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal had finished somehow 4th this season, UEFA would have a found a way around the rules to allow them to compete in the CL.
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- Seriously?!
Yes seriously, they changed the rules for Liverpool to compete.
posted on 3/7/12
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it.
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i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a champions league, without the current champions defending their title.
I'd like to think that they'd have the common sense to do this regardless of who it was.
posted on 3/7/12
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posted on 3/7/12
SgtBoscoBaracus
Why would they do it for United?
Do you need me to tell you?
posted on 3/7/12
sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)
Yes please.
posted on 3/7/12
I wouldn't mind you telling me...
posted on 3/7/12
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it
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UEFA would make different rules for Arsenal (the only one of those who came close to finishing 4th)?
This is the same organisation we're talking here? The one that bans Wenger for looking at the referee?
The rules were clearly set out at the start of the season, Wenger said he was well aware of them and he accepted them. UEFA wouldn't dare to suddenly change them or they would face a riot.
posted on 3/7/12
The talk of duopoly in the La Liga is correct however atleast their national team is built by these 2 teams. Unlike the EPL and England who struggle to put a XI together.
posted on 3/7/12
duncanedwards_legend
i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a champions league, without the current champions defending their title.
Why not? They bent the rules to suit.
Bend it for one, bend it for all, or not at all.
posted on 3/7/12
they did bend it for all, hence why chelsea got in next years competition...
posted on 3/7/12
Meh living above your means always comes back and bite you.... ALWAYS! Whats more, it helps to challenge but in the long run it can never be used to sustain it. Look at chelsea if you need an example. Despite their victories this yr, they have been on a downward path for a few yrs.
City needed to outspend the whole league put together to win this. Does anyone think that too will be sustainable? In 3 yrs time, the same old names, who got there by being managed well and getting some luck with a good manager and history behind them. This is not an american franchise, not until the money is divided equally from tv and merchandizing revenue, and wage/transfer caps too. Even then you still need a good manager.
posted on 3/7/12
Sandy
What happened in 2005 was that UEFA set a precedent. They got caught with the embarrassing and unforeseen situation of the trophy winner not being able to defend their trophy. So they found a political solution to this and the rules were amended accordingly. Therefore, there was no ambiguity about what would happen if Chelsea won the competition. The same thing would have happened if Arsenal had finished 4th or if Chelsea had finished 4th and one of the other English teams had won the CL. To deny any of the above is paranoid.
posted on 3/7/12
sandy_brown enjoying the Euros (U13619)
A feasible answer please.
posted on 3/7/12
I know it's a different league but how did Montpellier achieve it?
I think it would've been possible to do it in the PL, you just have to be more savvy and creative.
I don't think having CL money affects that much tbh, of course it helps but if your club is run bad and you have a bad manager (liverpool) it wouldn't matter being in the CL.
We don't want to create a communist type of policy in football, it just rewards those who do not that much!
posted on 3/7/12
all because of giroud and his sexiness, now we own that sexiness so we shall win!
posted on 3/7/12
i'd hardly call it bending the rules for liverpool.
As much as i hate them, you can't have a
champions league, without the current
champions defending their title.
I'd like to think that they'd have the common
sense to do this regardless of who it was.
*************
Why not? In the euros the champions dont qualify automatically anymore. Being champions of europe means you should be decent enough to be in the top 4 of their league.
posted on 3/7/12
Sandy's an idiot everyone. Dont bother responding to his posts. He chats nonsense and will only end up filtering you.
Red Russian - How do the TV deals work in England and in Spain? I know that Madrid and Barcelona negotiate their own tv rights while the other clubs get their share from the league association. One club I remeber seeing got as little as 12m while Barcelona got 125m for their own rights.
posted on 3/7/12
Am I the only one that believes sandy_brown is unnecessarily being a WUM or is extremely paranoid? I know your team would have been in the Champions League last season if it wasn't for Harry Redknapp getting all distracted with England. Let it go, he's gone now!
posted on 3/7/12
Darkphoenix (U11503)
No you are not.
He`s a bitter little girl.
In honesty i`d be a tad miffed if i were a spurs fan with the way things went down for them, but bringing United into it without a shred of truth to back it up is plain silly.
posted on 3/7/12
Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
La Liga - Barcelona and Real Madrid negotiate there own, which as you said can be 10x those that other clubs receive.
Premier League - One figure that is quoted is then divided into 20 teams.
I hope for one that this never changes, had the Liverpool owners try to bring the argument forward to change the rules, before Sir Alex stepped out and went 'No, just no'.
posted on 3/7/12
We are not arguing where Spurs finished, that is not what we are talking about. Completely irrelevant. What I have said is we know UEFA would change the rules for certain clubs. They have already done it, There is a precedent. They did it for Liverpool. And they would do it for United. Not that hard to comprehend is it.
They changed the rules so that no more than 4 teams from one country could compete not so that liverpool could qualify
posted on 3/7/12
Levy's Itchy Trigger Finger (U7316)
You say they would do it for United, even though you have absolutely no proof of this. Why would they not change it for Tottenham? I have no proof of this, but surely it's not hard to comprehend that they would do it for them, right?
posted on 3/7/12
Darkphoenix
Am I the only one that believes sandy_brown is unnecessarily being a WUM or is extremely paranoid? I know your team would have been in the Champions League last season if it wasn't for Harry Redknapp getting all distracted with England. Let it go, he's gone now!
Spurs finished 4th in the premiership, which according to UEFA rules qualifies you for the next seasons CL qualifiers. So Harry did nothing wrong.
Not quite sure what your point is mate
posted on 3/7/12
Yes seriously, they changed the rules for Liverpool to compete.
The rule was establishe the year Liverpool won the CL, that's why they was let back in because of that specific rule. Did you expect Everton to not be allowed in the competition like Spurs? It's different situations.
posted on 3/7/12
Spurs finished 4th in the premiership, which according to UEFA rules qualifies you for the next seasons CL qualifiers. So Harry did nothing wrong.
The uefa rules also say that the most amount of teams a country can have in the champions league is 4
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