but didn't Evra say Suarez or whatever called him racist?
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Suarez used the " n " word, that is the lowest of the low and absoulete vile.
didn't read it all cos i'm tired but surely the FA were waiting for the court hearing before deciding whether to fine or ban Terry. He has been cleared of being racist but he has still said what he admitted to saying so they can still ban him/fine him if they see fit
Neither Suarez nor Terry broke the law, hence neither were charged or were acquitted.
Suarez did break FA rules though, but has has no criminal sanctions. If Terry's case went through the FA hed probably have the same punishment as Suarez and if Suarez went through the courts hed be acquitted too.
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
The two matters were dealt with differently - one in a kangaroo court set up by the FA, the other by a proper court of law. Whilst a court of law works on the basis that something has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the kangaroo court set up by the FA based its decision on probability, and not without reasonable doubt.
Its absolutely no surprise that Terry was found not guilty. I have no doubt that if Suarez was up infront of a court of law he wouldn't have been found guilty either.
The question now is what the FA are going to do about it. If they decide to brush it under tha carpet accepting that the courts did their job, then I think thats out of order. Terry has admiited using certain words, so the FA will need to act on that, and presumably as it was racial language he will be sanctioned in a similar manner to Suarez. But knowing the ineptitude of the FA he'll probably not get that either.
I orderered a coffee the other day in San Antonio and used the same n word Suarez used - I guess Im vile too?
Either Ferdinant called Terry a black something or other, why else would he repeat something Anton never even heard Terry say unless he called Terry a black something lol.
If Ferdinand didn't hear anything racist from Terry why was he repeating it? I smell a rat, but in the real world you cannot convict somebody on the grounds of probability like the FA can.
How many Times did Terry call him Black c***? Suarez called Evra whatever a few times.
Dont get me wrong, I think Suarez was hard done to, but the Liverpool fans should let itbe.
comment by Chelsea FC 1L 1L 1C (U12980) posted 1 minute ago
Suarez used the " n " word, that is the lowest of the low and absoulete vile.
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No he didn't. Please actually know what you're on about before posting. Thanks in advance.
You're right in once sense though. Terrible word to use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwLkCRziD8
Good points FJM
My problem Is that the exact same offence committed in the exact same surroundings by two men of the exact same profession can be dealt with by two different bodies.
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
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Really Fred. I never tagged you as a racist.
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Some of the comments on here re. the use of the N word show that some people really didn't read up on it
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
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The FA panel did.
No fans, no major papers, no ex-players, ex-managers and no ex black players come out to criticise him.
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He got critised left right and centre when it happened. Also the PFA were suggesting if found guilty today the club should sack him, Did they suggest Liverpool should sack Suarez??
After the CPS started proceedings any personal views by anyone could have been seen as contempt so people had to shut up, thats the only reason the crititism stopped.
The best thing that could have happened for Suarez is some 1diot calling the police in, we would have seen the same result
Because JT was not racist. End of story.
It shows that you cannot charge somebody on grounds of probability unless you're in the FA's own little world.
Also red666 there is no solid evidence of it even being said once or in whatever manner - hence it would be thrown out of a real court much like Terry's case.
Some of the comments on here re. the use of the N word show that some people really didn't read up on it
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The FA's independant panel did.
White Wall
The best thing that could have happened for Suarez is some 1diot calling the police in, we would have seen the same result
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This.
Metro
I think there might have been some sort of ban placed on journos / media/ ex players talking about the case.
He did get the England captaincy taken off him. Fabio lost his job because of this. Redknapp too indirectly
Problem for Suarez was he told so many different stories to cover his tracks. You can argue Evra wasn't reliable all you want, but his story didn't change, only the number of times the word was allegedly used.
Plus Suarez appeared on tv and in the papers saying how he thought it was acceptable and that it was ok in his home country, even his wife and mum chipped in basically adding more evidence to the fact he said what he said.
He wasn't charged for saying 'n***a', which people are still arguing over, he was charged for using the colour of Evra's skin in a derogatory manner and in a heated exchange.
Imagine If Terry, Suarez, Anton and Evra all end up at the same club one day with Luis Aragones as manager
One player had been in the country for less than 12 months and doesn't understand or speak english.
IRRELEVANT..........you can racially abuse in any language and ignorance of the law is not an exemption.
The Suarez incident would not have even got to the 5th day like Terry's did as there was no evidence nor an admission of saying what he was accused of.
Suarez says he said "porque negro" in response to not hearing Evra abusing his sister (to which Evra admitted he was abusing his sister) and Evra said he said other things (however many times that day). No evidence and a case of, he said, he said.
At least with the Terry one, he did admit to saying "You FBC". Still can't see how the judge said this:
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “f off, f off”, “f black c” or “f knobhead”. His case is that his words were not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or insulting.
How is that not any of these things? Madness!!
If you or I had said that in the stands, we would have been done for it and banned from all grounds in the country. Terry says it and nothing happens.
Metro - I agree in principle, but the point about commentary etc. is due to contempt of court laws. You're not allowed to comment on an upcoming trial in a way which may prejudice proceedings, so that would've been a reaon to keep quiet.
The other one is that if some former player comes out and says 'JT is racist etc. etc.' then the moment he was acquitted, JT would sue that person for defamation.
I'd say it's a mix of those two that prevented the outbursts.
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posted on 13/7/12
but didn't Evra say Suarez or whatever called him racist?
posted on 13/7/12
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posted on 13/7/12
Suarez used the " n " word, that is the lowest of the low and absoulete vile.
posted on 13/7/12
didn't read it all cos i'm tired but surely the FA were waiting for the court hearing before deciding whether to fine or ban Terry. He has been cleared of being racist but he has still said what he admitted to saying so they can still ban him/fine him if they see fit
posted on 13/7/12
Neither Suarez nor Terry broke the law, hence neither were charged or were acquitted.
Suarez did break FA rules though, but has has no criminal sanctions. If Terry's case went through the FA hed probably have the same punishment as Suarez and if Suarez went through the courts hed be acquitted too.
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
posted on 13/7/12
The two matters were dealt with differently - one in a kangaroo court set up by the FA, the other by a proper court of law. Whilst a court of law works on the basis that something has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the kangaroo court set up by the FA based its decision on probability, and not without reasonable doubt.
Its absolutely no surprise that Terry was found not guilty. I have no doubt that if Suarez was up infront of a court of law he wouldn't have been found guilty either.
The question now is what the FA are going to do about it. If they decide to brush it under tha carpet accepting that the courts did their job, then I think thats out of order. Terry has admiited using certain words, so the FA will need to act on that, and presumably as it was racial language he will be sanctioned in a similar manner to Suarez. But knowing the ineptitude of the FA he'll probably not get that either.
posted on 13/7/12
I orderered a coffee the other day in San Antonio and used the same n word Suarez used - I guess Im vile too?
posted on 13/7/12
Either Ferdinant called Terry a black something or other, why else would he repeat something Anton never even heard Terry say unless he called Terry a black something lol.
If Ferdinand didn't hear anything racist from Terry why was he repeating it? I smell a rat, but in the real world you cannot convict somebody on the grounds of probability like the FA can.
posted on 13/7/12
How many Times did Terry call him Black c***? Suarez called Evra whatever a few times.
Dont get me wrong, I think Suarez was hard done to, but the Liverpool fans should let itbe.
posted on 13/7/12
comment by Chelsea FC 1L 1L 1C (U12980) posted 1 minute ago
Suarez used the " n " word, that is the lowest of the low and absoulete vile.
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No he didn't. Please actually know what you're on about before posting. Thanks in advance.
You're right in once sense though. Terrible word to use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwLkCRziD8
posted on 13/7/12
Good points FJM
My problem Is that the exact same offence committed in the exact same surroundings by two men of the exact same profession can be dealt with by two different bodies.
posted on 13/7/12
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
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Really Fred. I never tagged you as a racist.
posted on 13/7/12
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posted on 13/7/12
Some of the comments on here re. the use of the N word show that some people really didn't read up on it
posted on 13/7/12
I'm happy for the JT verdict today - shows the FA to be a little pathetic really.
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The FA panel did.
posted on 13/7/12
No fans, no major papers, no ex-players, ex-managers and no ex black players come out to criticise him.
____________________________________________
He got critised left right and centre when it happened. Also the PFA were suggesting if found guilty today the club should sack him, Did they suggest Liverpool should sack Suarez??
After the CPS started proceedings any personal views by anyone could have been seen as contempt so people had to shut up, thats the only reason the crititism stopped.
The best thing that could have happened for Suarez is some 1diot calling the police in, we would have seen the same result
posted on 13/7/12
Because JT was not racist. End of story.
It shows that you cannot charge somebody on grounds of probability unless you're in the FA's own little world.
Also red666 there is no solid evidence of it even being said once or in whatever manner - hence it would be thrown out of a real court much like Terry's case.
posted on 13/7/12
Some of the comments on here re. the use of the N word show that some people really didn't read up on it
.................
The FA's independant panel did.
posted on 13/7/12
White Wall
The best thing that could have happened for Suarez is some 1diot calling the police in, we would have seen the same result
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This.
posted on 13/7/12
Metro
I think there might have been some sort of ban placed on journos / media/ ex players talking about the case.
He did get the England captaincy taken off him. Fabio lost his job because of this. Redknapp too indirectly
posted on 13/7/12
Problem for Suarez was he told so many different stories to cover his tracks. You can argue Evra wasn't reliable all you want, but his story didn't change, only the number of times the word was allegedly used.
Plus Suarez appeared on tv and in the papers saying how he thought it was acceptable and that it was ok in his home country, even his wife and mum chipped in basically adding more evidence to the fact he said what he said.
He wasn't charged for saying 'n***a', which people are still arguing over, he was charged for using the colour of Evra's skin in a derogatory manner and in a heated exchange.
posted on 13/7/12
Imagine If Terry, Suarez, Anton and Evra all end up at the same club one day with Luis Aragones as manager
posted on 13/7/12
One player had been in the country for less than 12 months and doesn't understand or speak english.
IRRELEVANT..........you can racially abuse in any language and ignorance of the law is not an exemption.
posted on 13/7/12
The Suarez incident would not have even got to the 5th day like Terry's did as there was no evidence nor an admission of saying what he was accused of.
Suarez says he said "porque negro" in response to not hearing Evra abusing his sister (to which Evra admitted he was abusing his sister) and Evra said he said other things (however many times that day). No evidence and a case of, he said, he said.
At least with the Terry one, he did admit to saying "You FBC". Still can't see how the judge said this:
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “f off, f off”, “f black c” or “f knobhead”. His case is that his words were not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or insulting.
How is that not any of these things? Madness!!
If you or I had said that in the stands, we would have been done for it and banned from all grounds in the country. Terry says it and nothing happens.
posted on 13/7/12
Metro - I agree in principle, but the point about commentary etc. is due to contempt of court laws. You're not allowed to comment on an upcoming trial in a way which may prejudice proceedings, so that would've been a reaon to keep quiet.
The other one is that if some former player comes out and says 'JT is racist etc. etc.' then the moment he was acquitted, JT would sue that person for defamation.
I'd say it's a mix of those two that prevented the outbursts.
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