JPB - do you cut and paste comments to Word, Excel or notes?
just curious, thats all

All you want to do is move it on to being insulted / you're the victim etc
Totally irrelevant.
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it;s not irrelevant to point out that in response to my series of structured points, the only responses i have received are 1) totally illogical accusations which have been readily refuted and 2) name calling.

it's not a case of playing the victim, it's just a case of saying that noone has made a single effective reply to any of my comments.

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JPB - do you cut and paste comments to Word, Excel or notes?
just curious, thats all
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if im doing like a reprisal of comments which have been made then yes. ive done this a couple of time, and yes i have done this this morning. it makes it easier to edit a long comment, and copy more than one post into a single reply.

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Wow this still going

Anyway, did you enjoy the opening ceremony?
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didnt watch it. waste of time.

ive got no problem with the money being spent on the competitors, but there's no reason why i would want to watch it.

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JPB : 'It's not elite'

ALL (together) ' It fackin is!'
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yes but ive explained why it isnt, and have just received this type of pantomime answer in response.

maybe i have been a bit unfair (or ignorant - as you might want to put it), because ive got no doubt that a lot of these guys are highly skilled. but probability suggests that they wouldnt have been the best in the world if they werent disabled, and the fact that they arent taking part in the actual olympics suggests that they arent the best in the world as things actuallly are.

JPB - do you cut and paste comments to Word, Excel or notes?
just curious, thats all
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if im doing like a reprisal of comments which have been made then yes. ive done this a couple of time, and yes i have done this this morning. it makes it easier to edit a long comment, and copy more than one post into a single reply.

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Prima facie example here demonstrating how things get out of hand.

The question I posed was not whether you cut and paste; that is self evident. The question I asked was what format you chose to use.

A perfect example of going off on a tangent

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if that was your intention you would have written

"do you use word, excel or notes to paste your comments ?"

as it is, you effectively asked whether i use microsoft software to copy and paste comments. i replied to that question in a courtious and informative manner. i have not gone off at a tangent at all.

rather though than trying to manufacture some new situation where you can attempt to accuse me of going of at a tangent, perhaps you could advise where i actually have gone off at a tangent, in the actual discussion which has taken place ?

The truth is, we don't know, can't tell whether they would have been 'elite' enough to be an Olympian, were they not disabled in some way.
It's a moot point.
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oscar preterious is the most famous disabled athlete, and presumably the best, as he is the only one to set olympic qualifting times so far as i know. it is widely accepted as i understand it that he is advantaged by his false legs as they store energy and act as a spring. therefore whilst he lags behind at the start of the race because he can not keep up with the qualifying able bodied athletes, he is able to keep pace towards the end as his prosthetics relsease energy and make him run faster. even then though he isnt able to compete with the leading athletes. so this is the best of the paralmypics athletes, with a mechanical advantage, and he still cant compete with the absoloute best.

the reason for this is as ive already set out. the paralmypics selects from a very small school of people, whereas the olympics selects from a huge pool.

whereas the olympics theoretically selects from anyone who has ever run (just about every human in the world), the paralympics selects from people with a specific disability who then choose to run in spite of that disability. that is an incredibly small pool of people. at a guess i would say significantly less than 1% of the size of the pool which the olympics "selects" from. the chances of an athlete coming from that pool who could have competed with the elite athletes from the larger pool, is extremely remote. the chances that there is a whole field of such athletes is just fanciful.

it is widely accepted as i understand it that he is advantaged by his false legs
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This is not correct. They are not advantageous to normal legs, is the accepted view by the IOC and most bodies.

However they do store energy and act as a spring, as they would be very poor if they did not.

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denise richards and michael johnson said that if he started competing for medals it would have to be investigated further.

out of interest, do you think that pretorious would be medalling if he was able bodied ?

also do you have a view on whether the majority of medalists in track and field paralympics would be medalling in the olympics if they were able bodied ? i cant see how it's statistically possible personally.

this is the very same argument I had the other week on here and I got the same response, I said people in the olympics doing the rowing events are very unlikely to be the best in the world, just the best of that group of people that try that minority sport

I dropped it tho because Im not a complete facking psycho

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on pretorious by the way, although an artbitral tribunal held that there were omissions in the testing procedure which meant that they could not be used as a determinative assesment, the following suggests that pretorious is advantaged, at least in a straight line :

"In November 2007, Pistorius was invited to take part in a series of scientific tests at the Cologne Sports University under the guidance of Professor of Biomechanics Dr Peter Brüggemann in conjunction with Mr Elio Locatelli, who was responsible with the IAAF of all technical issues. After two days of tests Brüggemann reported on his findings on behalf of the IAAF. The report claimed that Pistorius's limbs used 25% less energy than runners with complete natural legs to run at the same speed, and that they led to less vertical motion combined with 30% less mechanical work for lifting the body.[36] In December, Brüggemann told Die Welt newspaper that Pistorius "has considerable advantages over athletes without prosthetic limbs who were tested by us. It was more than just a few percentage points. I did not expect it to be so clear"

denise richards and michael johnson said that if he started competing for medals it would have to be investigated further.
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That wasn't an official opinion, though there is a bylaw which is being interpreted very liberally at the moment which if clarified could see an end to him running in able bodied races.

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out of interest, do you think that pretorious would be medalling if he was able bodied ?

I think there are better athletes would would medal, but he would still compete.

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also do you have a view on whether the majority of medalists in track and field paralympics would be medalling in the olympics if they were able bodied ? i cant see how it's statistically possible personally.



Really? At birth surely they have the same chance? (if they were able bodied?)
How is this relevant? And of course it is statistically possible!
90% are able bodied
If you were born able bodied you had the same chance to medal in the future as Ennis did.
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you're missing the point galv.

i havent checked the numbers, but let's say we're comparing the 100m race in the olympics to the 100m race for people with one arm in the paralympics.

just taking the uk, the population's about 62 and a half million.

let's assume that out of that there's 600,000 people with one false arm.

even assuming that all of them decide to take part in an athletics competition (highly unlikely), you are choosing from only 600,000 athletes.

let's take a different pool as an example then, and pick out at random 600,000 able bodied people from the uk.

if you said, "right you 600,000 go and stand over there, and the other 60 million of you stand over there"

then you have a race.

the chances that the winner of the race will come from the pool of 600,000 is 100/1.

the chance that 8 of the fastest runner will be from the pool of 600,000 is staggeringly high.

I think there are better athletes would would medal, but he would still compete.
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fair enough

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