38YEARS - How dare you. How very dare you suggest something sensible in this thread when everyone's clearly trying to find some deeper meaning to it all.
sorry,,
there is no deeper meaning in professional football..
bottom line is; if you get paid more than the opposition you have to win the game.
If you get paid massive amounts you have to be "massiveley" better than anyone else..
The club with the biggest, nosiest support should win the game???
none of the above is true in "real life" and it therefore follows that the rest of professional football is also "over done" "overpaid" "overhyped" and very much "overcomplicated" by the individuals and associations and "experts" who have a vested interest in telling us fans that "we simply dont understand all the complexities"..
The bollox surrounding tactics and everything else just ignores the facts that most leagues are won by the team with most money . Hunderds of players are bought and sold and just as many become failures at their new club as succeeding
and then move on somewhere else and "suprise" everyone by playing "well" or scoring a few goals??????
Its no suprise, they just felt a "bit better" about themselves, got rid of the dummy and framed a bit, thats all..
38 ears - you have clearly used those years wisely my child as you speak a lot of sense.
However, my only argument would be that Beckford is likely to be on 3 times the wage of most of your players.
Is he worth that?
In my opinion, he's not. Nothing against him or you, I wish you both well, bit in my opinion, there are plenty better strikers in the championship on half the wage that Beckford is.
If his goals fire you to promotion, you'll say it's money well spent. I just doubt he's genuinely good enough to make that difference.
Each to their own.
Thing about the wages is Town have inherited this pay scale beckford is on, as no doubt Leicester did. It would be Everton who put him on top wages I guess. Not sure what % Town are actually paying though, am sure we'd fix an agreement with Leicester to share the bill. ??
sharing the bill with leicester.. club said he had taken a "large" drop in wages to come to us..
given the above and that we were paying at least 6 first team players £10 grand a week plus last season,(not arguable-it was said on radio by oggy-the club were asked and did not agree/disagree or make any counter statement)
then I dont think we will be paying very much "extra" for Beckford.
Beckford isnt worth it on his own, very few strikers are worth massive wages on their own, they need to be with someone who suits them...we appear to have fallen lucky in having Vaughan here and if not we have Novak who can do all the running for Beckford. Being honest Beckford is doing more running and chasing and tackling than I have ever seen him do . Right club at the right time, it will be put down to great management etc, its mostly luck...
38, beckford has the opportunity to play first tm footy, in a good league on good wages. and so far hes doing his best to grasp it. credit where credits due. plus as u say hes taken a massive pay cut to play for us as noone else would be that stupid to pay him 30k a week or whatever hes on.
38 carry on like this on the leicester board and theyll be balloting you for mare.
No thanks. We can rely on our 'friendly local rivals' to regularly supply us with their 'mares'...(nightmares).
Tez - Beckford had the opportunity to play first team footy at Leicester, only he didn't want to so he got dropped. Whatever's been wrong with him at Leicester - and don't say it's lack of fan support because he got cheered for months last season with minimal effort or results - it seems that it isn't an issue at Huddersfield. Lucky for you, I guess.
Also, if you'd seen our mayor you'd know that 38 stands as much chance as the next man.
well 38 is in charge of (boss of) 7 government departments so i think he could get the job if he applied
Beckford had the opportunity to play first team footy at Leicester, only he didn't want to so he got dropped
Dung when did he say that or is that just valid opinion.
You point to the dreaded milk cup game where him and the other soon to be jettisoned players got a run out. Also the oft quoted Blackpool game.
Why would he want to leave our club good wages and promotion prospect for with all due respect another club without our resources?
Maybe Beckford didn't get on with some of the staff or players there..? could just be a personal thing. Am sure your fans gave him every chance, but I fully understand if he looked like he wasn't interested that fans would get impatient. We've had our fair share of players who never seemed interested and didn't put themselves about very much..
I’m a little bored with the Beckford debate, but the presumption that he wasn’t playing well for Leicester is only part of the story. The truth is that he wasn’t playing well for Leicester – for a player on the money that he was being paid.
Pearson started the season with him in the team and Nugent on the bench so he was clearly in the manager’s plans. He was dropped after a couple of so/so performances, but he wasn’t bad enough to be completely jettisoned from the squad – although that is exactly what happened.
A manager has a delicate balancing act to do in terms of maximising the quality in every playing position in the squad whilst still keeping within his wage budget. Paying Beckford’s wage for a whole season (on his rumoured wages) may cost us more than £1.5m. There are also strong rumours of another payment due to Everton if he plays one more game so that might turn out to be upwards of £2m.
Pearson has obviously taken the decision that keeping an average performing player in the squad for a very high outlay is too much of a luxury. The money that we’re saving will give us a great more flexibility when considering loan players or January window signings than it would if we kept him in the squad. It’s no surprise, however, that he’s performing at this level with the very manager that previously got him in the best goalscoring form of his career.
without your resources?
who u think u are?
i remember reading how cocky u were last season after spending somt like 30 million on players. i then watched u finish 9th well done
Strange, I wrote a reply and it didn't pop up. Oh well. Nev: He hasn't said that publically. Instead, Pearson has said that he asked to go to Huddersfield and this hasn't been disputed.
As for the Burton/Blackpool games, the former was an uninterested performance from Neil Danns (Beckford didn't play in that) while the latter was the kind of selfish performance from Beckford that would have infuriated me as a teammate when we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes left. In both cases, Pearson is perfectly within his rights to remove both from the squad until he's confident they can be trusted back on the pitch again.
if u ask me pearson needs to go on some management relations training needs to take lee clark with him as well
Tez - You seem to have a mighty big chip on your shoulder over this and besides, our resources are not as large as some seem to think, particularly these days and with FFP approaching. I'm pretty sure that Huddersfield FC have some pretty decent resources of their own, particularly after the sale of Jordan Rhodes. I just hope that they see fit to push some of them our way in exchange for Beckford full time in January, then everyone can be happy, no?
dungeon master..
everyone is going to be very much "over rated" in january..or they will be to start with..
we already made what we thought was a "fair" offer for 2 dundee utd players.. we were told it was an "insult" although neither player or agent was asked the question. Neither player has since done anything in the mickey mouse league that is scotlands premier league to back up their over inflated opinions of the two..
Rhodes wasnt and isnt worth 8 million quid.. Beckford isnt worth 2 million, imo at this moment... you have to look at the wages, not just the fee...
I hope dean hoyle and all the other chairmen in the championship start "getting real" this january..
Looking at town/leicester, vaughan might be able to play in the premier league, all of the other "forwards" at either club would struggle badly.. Vaughan isnt even our player, at the end of what might be his best season ever we have to hope that Norwich want to let him go and secondly that somebody else with more "pull" does not come in for him..
Huddersfield town/leicester city , thats where we are, forget your money and ours, its not frightening a good number of the premier teams..
Dean Hoyle is now rumoured to be worth around a billion pounds after shrewd investments.. He is still a long, long way off being able to recruit and pay the players/wages of the top half of the premier league..
A good number of top players will move to mancheste some will go to liverpool but most want to go to London and until that changes the rest of us will be bit part players..
By january we should know wether we have any realistic chance of being involved at the top end of the championship and that will make any decisions much easier to make..
dungeon...
im not the one with the 'chip on the shoulder' this article was created in that tone and almost every comment from you and your mates has had that tone too. ur leicester and u think ur best thing since sliced bread. leave it out with the we are bigger than you and big fish in a small ond cos not one player is bigger than this club and beckford doesnt come near to that, but facts are u couldnt motivate him and we can. we arent the club thats failed him just yet!
James Vaughan is the best striker we've had at Town since Marcus Stewart. James Vaughan and Jermaine Beckford is the best strike force we've had at Town in my lifetime - strong statement for such early days but they are THAT good. Jordan who?
“James Vaughan and Jermaine Beckford is the best strike force we've had at Town in my lifetime - strong statement for such early days”
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I guess that depends how old you are.
But seriously I thought JV had great potential when we had him on loan briefly and I’m not surprised he’s doing well. It just seemed he had a lot of injury problems in his earlier career. I would take Nugent over Beckford any day of the week, but I would probably have JV above our other striking options.
While I’m here I was wondering what the general feeling was from Huddersfield fans when Rhodes went to Blackburn? It seemed a strange choice to me and I thought he would have held out for a PL option or stayed put for another year. Blackburn have made a large gamble on one player if they fail to go up this season.
the constant in the above is "vaughan"...
he can and has played well with novak..
Vaughan is the better player no question but has the "legs" that novak has..
marcus was a different type of striker and had the ability to drop off and play slide rule passes etc.. he was also the best one on one finisher we have ever had, rhodes included..
Defenders hate forwards who rush them, push them and run away from them.. A big static striker is so much easier to deal with as is a small darting one.. If you get a striker with good physical strength a good leap(timed well) and one who can and will run away from you into space then its the complete package once the goals start going in.. I love a striker who wont let you win a free header or wont let a big carthorse have time to settle and who pulls and shoves(vaughan certainly does), paired with either beckford or novak he puts it in everytime and his natural ability does the rest..
Fitness is the key and how he deals with being "targetted" as he surely will be..
joby..
we all would have preffered rhodes to stay..aligned with vaughan it might have been a very good partnership..
8 million quid, you cant argue with it...simple economics..
everyone has a price, especially at championship level and 8 million was at least 4 million more than I thought we would ever get for him..
I dont personally think we would have been any higher in the league/ or scored any more goals than we are/have done if he had stayed...
Van Persie scored more than anyone in the premier league and was sold, its economics and having a player who is unsettled or wants more money than you want to pay etc..
He hasnt gone to blackburn to "win" anything...he will continue to at least be in the scotland squad given the dearth of any strikers to choose from.. If he is happy, then we are all happy..
Whoooaaaa don't speak for me 38!
I always said Rhodes was massively over-rated and that we'd be a better team when he was gone. Vaughan and Beckford are both better than him and at a fraction of the cost, we've moved on and are better for it. We had their pants down at £8m, good luck to the lad but good riddance at the same time.
Tez, I must have missed the part where I described you as anything but another club in the Championship, not bigger or otherwise. In fact, all I see looking back through this thread is you biting at every rod dangled in front of you. You haven't read any of my post beyond the part where I suggested you had a chip on your shoulder; you've then demonstrated that you have in the way you reacted. All the other Terriers fans who have commented on this thread recently are having a good discussion/debate while you're still getting yourself wound up about nothing. So we've got some smug and excited fans who are enjoying being top of the league. Given it's as high as we've been in the best part of a decade I can't blame them!
Now do you agree with your club potentially buying Beckford in January or not, and how much would you consider fair considering that you've got plenty of resources yourself but we clearly want to sell and his wages will almost certainly be high?
terrier..
rhodes spent a lot of the time standing up front when the "balls" played up were nowhere near him etc.. novak was the chaser and even he looked p-ssed off some days with the "service" he was given..
There is chasing lost causes and chasing sh-te over and over again..
Jordan is scoring at blackburn and thats what they paid for..The difference is I dont think he will score enough or do enough when he does not score to justify paying 8 million quid for.
I always say he didnt score when we really, really needed him to, but he also scored on days when we never actually looked like having a shot on target never mind scoring..
Swings and roundabouts but 8 million was far too many "swings" to ignore..
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posted on 22/10/12
38YEARS - How dare you. How very dare you suggest something sensible in this thread when everyone's clearly trying to find some deeper meaning to it all.
posted on 22/10/12
sorry,,
there is no deeper meaning in professional football..
bottom line is; if you get paid more than the opposition you have to win the game.
If you get paid massive amounts you have to be "massiveley" better than anyone else..
The club with the biggest, nosiest support should win the game???
none of the above is true in "real life" and it therefore follows that the rest of professional football is also "over done" "overpaid" "overhyped" and very much "overcomplicated" by the individuals and associations and "experts" who have a vested interest in telling us fans that "we simply dont understand all the complexities"..
The bollox surrounding tactics and everything else just ignores the facts that most leagues are won by the team with most money . Hunderds of players are bought and sold and just as many become failures at their new club as succeeding
and then move on somewhere else and "suprise" everyone by playing "well" or scoring a few goals??????
Its no suprise, they just felt a "bit better" about themselves, got rid of the dummy and framed a bit, thats all..
posted on 22/10/12
38 ears - you have clearly used those years wisely my child as you speak a lot of sense.
However, my only argument would be that Beckford is likely to be on 3 times the wage of most of your players.
Is he worth that?
In my opinion, he's not. Nothing against him or you, I wish you both well, bit in my opinion, there are plenty better strikers in the championship on half the wage that Beckford is.
If his goals fire you to promotion, you'll say it's money well spent. I just doubt he's genuinely good enough to make that difference.
Each to their own.
posted on 22/10/12
Thing about the wages is Town have inherited this pay scale beckford is on, as no doubt Leicester did. It would be Everton who put him on top wages I guess. Not sure what % Town are actually paying though, am sure we'd fix an agreement with Leicester to share the bill. ??
posted on 22/10/12
sharing the bill with leicester.. club said he had taken a "large" drop in wages to come to us..
given the above and that we were paying at least 6 first team players £10 grand a week plus last season,(not arguable-it was said on radio by oggy-the club were asked and did not agree/disagree or make any counter statement)
then I dont think we will be paying very much "extra" for Beckford.
Beckford isnt worth it on his own, very few strikers are worth massive wages on their own, they need to be with someone who suits them...we appear to have fallen lucky in having Vaughan here and if not we have Novak who can do all the running for Beckford. Being honest Beckford is doing more running and chasing and tackling than I have ever seen him do . Right club at the right time, it will be put down to great management etc, its mostly luck...
posted on 22/10/12
38, beckford has the opportunity to play first tm footy, in a good league on good wages. and so far hes doing his best to grasp it. credit where credits due. plus as u say hes taken a massive pay cut to play for us as noone else would be that stupid to pay him 30k a week or whatever hes on.
38 carry on like this on the leicester board and theyll be balloting you for mare.
posted on 22/10/12
No thanks. We can rely on our 'friendly local rivals' to regularly supply us with their 'mares'...(nightmares).
posted on 22/10/12
Tez - Beckford had the opportunity to play first team footy at Leicester, only he didn't want to so he got dropped. Whatever's been wrong with him at Leicester - and don't say it's lack of fan support because he got cheered for months last season with minimal effort or results - it seems that it isn't an issue at Huddersfield. Lucky for you, I guess.
Also, if you'd seen our mayor you'd know that 38 stands as much chance as the next man.
posted on 22/10/12
well 38 is in charge of (boss of) 7 government departments so i think he could get the job if he applied
posted on 22/10/12
Beckford had the opportunity to play first team footy at Leicester, only he didn't want to so he got dropped
Dung when did he say that or is that just valid opinion.
You point to the dreaded milk cup game where him and the other soon to be jettisoned players got a run out. Also the oft quoted Blackpool game.
Why would he want to leave our club good wages and promotion prospect for with all due respect another club without our resources?
posted on 22/10/12
Maybe Beckford didn't get on with some of the staff or players there..? could just be a personal thing. Am sure your fans gave him every chance, but I fully understand if he looked like he wasn't interested that fans would get impatient. We've had our fair share of players who never seemed interested and didn't put themselves about very much..
posted on 22/10/12
I’m a little bored with the Beckford debate, but the presumption that he wasn’t playing well for Leicester is only part of the story. The truth is that he wasn’t playing well for Leicester – for a player on the money that he was being paid.
Pearson started the season with him in the team and Nugent on the bench so he was clearly in the manager’s plans. He was dropped after a couple of so/so performances, but he wasn’t bad enough to be completely jettisoned from the squad – although that is exactly what happened.
A manager has a delicate balancing act to do in terms of maximising the quality in every playing position in the squad whilst still keeping within his wage budget. Paying Beckford’s wage for a whole season (on his rumoured wages) may cost us more than £1.5m. There are also strong rumours of another payment due to Everton if he plays one more game so that might turn out to be upwards of £2m.
Pearson has obviously taken the decision that keeping an average performing player in the squad for a very high outlay is too much of a luxury. The money that we’re saving will give us a great more flexibility when considering loan players or January window signings than it would if we kept him in the squad. It’s no surprise, however, that he’s performing at this level with the very manager that previously got him in the best goalscoring form of his career.
posted on 22/10/12
without your resources?
who u think u are?
i remember reading how cocky u were last season after spending somt like 30 million on players. i then watched u finish 9th well done
posted on 22/10/12
Strange, I wrote a reply and it didn't pop up. Oh well. Nev: He hasn't said that publically. Instead, Pearson has said that he asked to go to Huddersfield and this hasn't been disputed.
As for the Burton/Blackpool games, the former was an uninterested performance from Neil Danns (Beckford didn't play in that) while the latter was the kind of selfish performance from Beckford that would have infuriated me as a teammate when we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes left. In both cases, Pearson is perfectly within his rights to remove both from the squad until he's confident they can be trusted back on the pitch again.
posted on 22/10/12
if u ask me pearson needs to go on some management relations training needs to take lee clark with him as well
posted on 22/10/12
Tez - You seem to have a mighty big chip on your shoulder over this and besides, our resources are not as large as some seem to think, particularly these days and with FFP approaching. I'm pretty sure that Huddersfield FC have some pretty decent resources of their own, particularly after the sale of Jordan Rhodes. I just hope that they see fit to push some of them our way in exchange for Beckford full time in January, then everyone can be happy, no?
posted on 22/10/12
dungeon master..
everyone is going to be very much "over rated" in january..or they will be to start with..
we already made what we thought was a "fair" offer for 2 dundee utd players.. we were told it was an "insult" although neither player or agent was asked the question. Neither player has since done anything in the mickey mouse league that is scotlands premier league to back up their over inflated opinions of the two..
Rhodes wasnt and isnt worth 8 million quid.. Beckford isnt worth 2 million, imo at this moment... you have to look at the wages, not just the fee...
I hope dean hoyle and all the other chairmen in the championship start "getting real" this january..
Looking at town/leicester, vaughan might be able to play in the premier league, all of the other "forwards" at either club would struggle badly.. Vaughan isnt even our player, at the end of what might be his best season ever we have to hope that Norwich want to let him go and secondly that somebody else with more "pull" does not come in for him..
Huddersfield town/leicester city , thats where we are, forget your money and ours, its not frightening a good number of the premier teams..
Dean Hoyle is now rumoured to be worth around a billion pounds after shrewd investments.. He is still a long, long way off being able to recruit and pay the players/wages of the top half of the premier league..
A good number of top players will move to mancheste some will go to liverpool but most want to go to London and until that changes the rest of us will be bit part players..
By january we should know wether we have any realistic chance of being involved at the top end of the championship and that will make any decisions much easier to make..
posted on 22/10/12
dungeon...
im not the one with the 'chip on the shoulder' this article was created in that tone and almost every comment from you and your mates has had that tone too. ur leicester and u think ur best thing since sliced bread. leave it out with the we are bigger than you and big fish in a small ond cos not one player is bigger than this club and beckford doesnt come near to that, but facts are u couldnt motivate him and we can. we arent the club thats failed him just yet!
posted on 22/10/12
James Vaughan is the best striker we've had at Town since Marcus Stewart. James Vaughan and Jermaine Beckford is the best strike force we've had at Town in my lifetime - strong statement for such early days but they are THAT good. Jordan who?
posted on 22/10/12
“James Vaughan and Jermaine Beckford is the best strike force we've had at Town in my lifetime - strong statement for such early days”
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I guess that depends how old you are.
But seriously I thought JV had great potential when we had him on loan briefly and I’m not surprised he’s doing well. It just seemed he had a lot of injury problems in his earlier career. I would take Nugent over Beckford any day of the week, but I would probably have JV above our other striking options.
While I’m here I was wondering what the general feeling was from Huddersfield fans when Rhodes went to Blackburn? It seemed a strange choice to me and I thought he would have held out for a PL option or stayed put for another year. Blackburn have made a large gamble on one player if they fail to go up this season.
posted on 22/10/12
the constant in the above is "vaughan"...
he can and has played well with novak..
Vaughan is the better player no question but has the "legs" that novak has..
marcus was a different type of striker and had the ability to drop off and play slide rule passes etc.. he was also the best one on one finisher we have ever had, rhodes included..
Defenders hate forwards who rush them, push them and run away from them.. A big static striker is so much easier to deal with as is a small darting one.. If you get a striker with good physical strength a good leap(timed well) and one who can and will run away from you into space then its the complete package once the goals start going in.. I love a striker who wont let you win a free header or wont let a big carthorse have time to settle and who pulls and shoves(vaughan certainly does), paired with either beckford or novak he puts it in everytime and his natural ability does the rest..
Fitness is the key and how he deals with being "targetted" as he surely will be..
posted on 22/10/12
joby..
we all would have preffered rhodes to stay..aligned with vaughan it might have been a very good partnership..
8 million quid, you cant argue with it...simple economics..
everyone has a price, especially at championship level and 8 million was at least 4 million more than I thought we would ever get for him..
I dont personally think we would have been any higher in the league/ or scored any more goals than we are/have done if he had stayed...
Van Persie scored more than anyone in the premier league and was sold, its economics and having a player who is unsettled or wants more money than you want to pay etc..
He hasnt gone to blackburn to "win" anything...he will continue to at least be in the scotland squad given the dearth of any strikers to choose from.. If he is happy, then we are all happy..
posted on 22/10/12
Whoooaaaa don't speak for me 38!
I always said Rhodes was massively over-rated and that we'd be a better team when he was gone. Vaughan and Beckford are both better than him and at a fraction of the cost, we've moved on and are better for it. We had their pants down at £8m, good luck to the lad but good riddance at the same time.
posted on 22/10/12
Tez, I must have missed the part where I described you as anything but another club in the Championship, not bigger or otherwise. In fact, all I see looking back through this thread is you biting at every rod dangled in front of you. You haven't read any of my post beyond the part where I suggested you had a chip on your shoulder; you've then demonstrated that you have in the way you reacted. All the other Terriers fans who have commented on this thread recently are having a good discussion/debate while you're still getting yourself wound up about nothing. So we've got some smug and excited fans who are enjoying being top of the league. Given it's as high as we've been in the best part of a decade I can't blame them!
Now do you agree with your club potentially buying Beckford in January or not, and how much would you consider fair considering that you've got plenty of resources yourself but we clearly want to sell and his wages will almost certainly be high?
posted on 22/10/12
terrier..
rhodes spent a lot of the time standing up front when the "balls" played up were nowhere near him etc.. novak was the chaser and even he looked p-ssed off some days with the "service" he was given..
There is chasing lost causes and chasing sh-te over and over again..
Jordan is scoring at blackburn and thats what they paid for..The difference is I dont think he will score enough or do enough when he does not score to justify paying 8 million quid for.
I always say he didnt score when we really, really needed him to, but he also scored on days when we never actually looked like having a shot on target never mind scoring..
Swings and roundabouts but 8 million was far too many "swings" to ignore..
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