That is of course, your opinion, this is why I wanted to open it up to everyone, without intruding/attempting to hold a discussion about one of your players on your board. I'd end up banned.

Suarez is undoubtedly worth a lot to you, but it is a similar situation to RvP last year, though I'm not sure how long is on Suarez's contract. I think you should bite a hand off to get £40m for him, personally. Controversy appears to follow him, and similar players have gone for between £20-£40m. Torres was a mistake by a Russian billionaire, to whom £50m is nothing. Other players who have gone for that much include Kaka, and Ronaldo. Kaka was a terrible decision, imo. And Suarez is nowhere near Ronaldo's level.

Just saw this craker on their board.

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comment by King Luis Suarez - I kiss my wrist, you can kiss my arsè! (U1695)
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He's got 5 years on his deal and I don't think he's the type to rock the boat!

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Huge coffee on screen moment.

Aye VC, that is why you can't debate on articles like that. Just ends up being a point scoring competition and end up comparing Suarez to unrealistic expectations. I mean, no doubt he is a fantastic player, but a £60m+ player? I just don't think so...

Obertan

It's not worth selling at 40 mil

there's no one to replace him with and a 17 mil profit is nice, but not exactly earth shattering

If it were the beginning of the window, or summer, then I think I'd be ecstatic with £40m, you could easily have replaced him. I don't think you should sell him this close to the end of the window though.

TKT

I think Liverpool will be bale to hold onto him for another season, but if you fail to get back int the CL by then, I think he will leave.

This season is looking a good shot for you to get that 4th spot, and your next two leage games are very pivotal to that.

Neither Everton, Arsenal or Spurs look like they want to go out and grab it at the moment and you are only 7 points back.

"I think Liverpool will be bale to hold onto him for another season, but if you fail to get back int the CL by then, I think he will leave."

if you mean end of next season, then completely agree

I don't think he'll go this summer

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if you mean end of next season, then completely agree

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Yes

Downing?

next year isn't our year, but it's certainly make or break to get 4th

Garry Birtles to United back in the day.

Because Torres was not valued at 50 million - he was bought as a panic buy by a very wealthy owner.

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Except that £50m is exactly what Torres was valued at, not only by Chelsea (and their "very wealthy owner" ), but also by Liverpool, who decided to accept that price for him.

Whether such valuations are realistic is completely missing the point. If a player is sold for a fee, then that is because the fee that he is sold at is his valuation, whether the likes of you deem it to be unrealistic or not.

I have to ask, how do you understand player valuations to work? Because your comment indicates that you don't actually have a clue as to how valuations work.

that is not valuation that is asking price which is different. because if andy carroll has value of 35m then every better striker has a higher value but this is not true.

Don't think you have that one right Ripleys.

Carroll is arguably the worst signing of all time.
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By any kind of rational analysis, it’s highly unlikely to be Carroll.

Both Shevxhenko and Torres cost more (Shevchenko slightly less, but you’d need to adjust for inflation to make a comparison, and the loan deal for Crespo was also used to sweeten the deal), both cost a lot more in wages (Carroll’s wage less than half that of Torres), and their respective scoring records for their clubs, during the time Carroll was at Liverpool, are actually very similar.

Because of his age, Carroll will probably also command a higher sell-on fee (ie. more than nothing).

Once you adjust for things like wages and sell-on fees, Hargreaves, with 39 appearances in 4 years, (full salary paid, and no sell-on fee), starts coming into contention.

For comparison purposes, Simon Kuper, in one of his books, adjusted transfer-fees for inflation, by making an index which was a multiple of the average fee at the time of the transfer. By adjusting like that, El Hadj Diouf ended up costing something very similar to what Carroll cost , and I bet there’s a whole lot of other surprises when you do that. I’d be interested to know where Rebrov comes, for example, on an index like that.

I bet, if you adjusted for all these things (and you certainly have to adjust for inflation, otherwise any comparison is meaningless), it would probably end up being somebody that nobody even suspects....some player from the 60’s, or something.

On a more subjective basis, my own personal favourite is Winston Bogarde, just because of the fact that he openly and unashamedly took the p iss.

Carroll for 35 million must be the biggest flop.

I´d love to say Torres at 50 million but at least Torres has scored goals for Chelsea (14 goals this season so far) and been part of our Champions League winning squad.

Liverpool aren´t going to get much of that 35 million back for Carroll either so for me it has to be Andy Carroll for 35 million as the biggest flop in British transfer history.

Andy Carroll is far worse that Torres. Torres had previous glory to back up the fee and was young enough to get it back, Carroll however is and always will be useless and could have been bought about a year earlier for about £3m

Don't think you have that one right Ripleys

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What exactly don't I have right?

I´d love to say Torres at 50 million but at least Torres has scored goals for Chelsea (14 goals this season so far)
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Yes, this season, but Carroll is out on loan, so Liverpool aren't paying his wages.

Up until this season, Carroll had scored 11 in 56 for Liverpool, and Torres 12 in 67 for Chelsea. And Torres' wages are double Carroll's.

Do people actually understand how player valuations work?

I ask, because simply judging from quite a few comments on this thread, it seems that there aren't many who actually have a clue.

the value is how much this player is worth. but every club can put the asking price higher than the value if they choose to.

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/football/west-ham/benitez_reveals_liverpool_could_have_signed_andy_carroll_on_the_cheap_1_1727041