comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 24 seconds ago
You take that away completely and no club complains if they feck up missing out on looking at an incorrect decision.
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Apart from when they have used their challenge, the VAR backs his mate on the pitch... and then they have no challenges left and another call goes against them.

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Yes, and whose fault would that but for the coaches? In cricket the players are blamed for using up a challenge. In NFL the coaches are. It adds to the game compared to how its done now when everyone incl pundit, managers are complain legitimately about the rules and how they are incorrectly implemented with limited to no consistency during the season.
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It would be the coaches fault if the VAR still backs the ref and gives the wrong call? You seem to think a manager challenge automatically means they will get the decision.
McArthur on Saka was 100% reviewed by VAR, as was Godfrey on Tomi, as was Ederson on Odegaard.

We haven't had many crucial incorrect decisions go against us since the introduction of VAR.

The problems come from the "50/50s", it's not that the decision is wrong it's that we have been on the receiving end of a disproportionate number of calls against us. For Man City you'd be talking the highest positive extreme and for us one of the most negative swings.

Consistency is the problem and the decisions are rarely black or white but can shape seasons as much as incorrect decisions used to pre VAR

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 24 seconds ago
You take that away completely and no club complains if they feck up missing out on looking at an incorrect decision.
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Apart from when they have used their challenge, the VAR backs his mate on the pitch... and then they have no challenges left and another call goes against them.

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Yes, and whose fault would that but for the coaches? In cricket the players are blamed for using up a challenge. In NFL the coaches are. It adds to the game compared to how its done now when everyone incl pundit, managers are complain legitimately about the rules and how they are incorrectly implemented with limited to no consistency during the season.
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It would be the coaches fault if the VAR still backs the ref and gives the wrong call? You seem to think a manager challenge automatically means they will get the decision.
McArthur on Saka was 100% reviewed by VAR, as was Godfrey on Tomi, as was Ederson on Odegaard.
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I am saying take VAR out if completely. You can challenge the ref to go to the monitor 3 times. He can then talk to VAR ref for a better angle and discuss a rule they missed. But the ref on the pitch is leader. No other ref is questioning him. That way he is also explaining the decision to the crowd/manager that everyone is demanding now.

GT about?

So we go from every big decision being reviewed to just the ones the manager can appeal for in, I assume, a very short time period? Don't see how that is better tbh.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
So we go from every big decision being reviewed to just the ones the manager can appeal for in, I assume, a very short time period? Don't see how that is better tbh.
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As I suggested before it gives the manager/teams the power to correct a mistake rather than another referee who is hesitant to call out a m8.

But why would another ref suddenly become less hesitant to call out a mate??

Why would the VAR send off McArthur cos Arteta called it, rather than on his own review? Just doesn't make sense to me.

I promise if the FA were to do a legitimate study on the working of VAR, it will be major reason for all the inconsistency almost all in the game already acknowledge.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
Why would the VAR send off McArthur cos Arteta called it, rather than on his own review? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Because the in game ref is looking at it and not another ref re-refereeing a game hundreds of miles away.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
Why would the VAR send off McArthur cos Arteta called it, rather than on his own review? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Because the in game ref is looking at it and not another ref re-refereeing a game hundreds of miles away.
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So the VAR is defending his mate, but the actual ref isn't going to defend himself?? Still not making any sense.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
Why would the VAR send off McArthur cos Arteta called it, rather than on his own review? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Because the in game ref is looking at it and not another ref re-refereeing a game hundreds of miles away.
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So the VAR is defending his mate, but the actual ref isn't going to defend himself?? Still not making any sense.
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The ref will have to explain to the crowd and manager as happens in the NFL, Baseball, Cricket, Rugby etc. why the ref 'is holding the line' on a decision. That way as other refs watch their decision making process, others will also enforce a specific way to interpret the rules. It actually starts to build positively on itself rather than keeping the reasons why decisions were ruled one way or the other a secret.

This sounds a lot more complicated than just having competent refs

WORLDle chats?

Every other major sport do it this way but its too complicated for football. 🤔

comment by We Demolished Highbury For This? (U3245)
posted less than a minute ago
WORLDle chats?
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🤔

But we know why with the examples used:
McArthur wasn't intent
Godfrey was looking at the ball.
Ederson got the ball.


All explained at the time, all pretty much BS.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 seconds ago
But we know why with the examples used:
McArthur wasn't intent
Godfrey was looking at the ball.
Ederson got the ball.


All explained at the time, all pretty much BS.
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By whom? The ref who made those decisions or some wally in a studio supporting their club?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 seconds ago
But we know why with the examples used:
McArthur wasn't intent
Godfrey was looking at the ball.
Ederson got the ball.


All explained at the time, all pretty much BS.
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By whom? The ref who made those decisions or some wally in a studio supporting their club?
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The VAR

comment by We Demolished Highbury For This? (U3245)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by We Demolished Highbury For This? (U3245)
posted less than a minute ago
WORLDle chats?
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🤔
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Don't like worldle I always end up cheating, anyway...

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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 seconds ago
But we know why with the examples used:
McArthur wasn't intent
Godfrey was looking at the ball.
Ederson got the ball.


All explained at the time, all pretty much BS.
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By whom? The ref who made those decisions or some wally in a studio supporting their club?
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The VAR
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Right protecting their goof. If the ref in the stadium does it in front of a crowd its going to be pretty hard for him to contradict himself down the line with a similar decision at another game. ergo you suddenly start getting consistency.

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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 seconds ago
But we know why with the examples used:
McArthur wasn't intent
Godfrey was looking at the ball.
Ederson got the ball.


All explained at the time, all pretty much BS.
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By whom? The ref who made those decisions or some wally in a studio supporting their club?
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The VAR
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Right protecting their goof. If the ref in the stadium does it in front of a crowd its going to be pretty hard for him to contradict himself down the line with a similar decision at another game. ergo you suddenly start getting consistency.
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What you will get is refs with no responsibility to make big calls, ergo making no big calls. Then it becomes a game of chance for the challenges, which will have to surely be made in a split second.
Cricket umpires have declined since player reviews happened, free not to make a call. Saw NFL umpires being criticised for similar.