Bear in mind that market value is dependent on what salary people are willing to accept. If an employer can offer the lower end and still attract the same people (and retain them, if there are no other jobs available), then they are always going to do that.
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I agree, I have happily accepted a rolling contract, on just £15k a year, reviewed 1 month at a time. Yes it is lower than I wanted, but in my current circumstances, it is more than enough. They are currently in the process of reviewing a better contract on anywhere up to £25k, or so my boss says. I've been working here 7 months now. Though I bet they wouldn't offer me anything if they could see my post history on here...
some people are lucky enough to have fairly well off parents so they dont need to claim benefits.
I currently only have a part time job in the NHS on a sunday and i get paid 18 pounds an hour which is fking wicked.
I work an extra two days a week for my parents company free of charge as I am living in their house at the moment.
I am currently in 'interview' stage of my RAF process for joining and the bastads take forever to do anything simple!
If i fail, I am going on a manhunt for a civvi job
Being unemployed is a miserable experience. You are met with nothing but contempt every time you walk into the job centre from employees and anyone on the street who sees you. You have no purpose, no reason to get out of bed in the morning. You end up depressed and isolated and put on weight because you eat just for something to do.
I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on benefits choose that life.
I work in a firm of accountants and from experience, the foreigners like the Romanians and the Polish etc are far better workers than the English. They might need be good communicating at the start but they also dont spend time on facebook behind the bosses back, they also dont whinge too much about holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay. They just get on with the job. Basically they're less hassle. Im generalising here a bit but some of it, is true.
They might need be good communicating
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If you're helping them with their English, they're fecked
You say they don't go on Facebook, etc, I'm sat next to a Polish bloke, who is on Facebook. He's a bloody intelligent bloke though.
"I agree, I have happily accepted a rolling contract, on just £15k a year, reviewed 1 month at a time. Yes it is lower than I wanted, but in my current circumstances, it is more than enough. They are currently in the process of reviewing a better contract on anywhere up to £25k, or so my boss says. I've been working here 7 months now. Though I bet they wouldn't offer me anything if they could see my post history on here..."
That's actually a good point (and one I am just as guilty of, luckily being the boss though, no one can check my posting history!)
What job do you do in IT jay? That is my field as well, 15k is pretty low even for help desk.
Oooh a fellow IT guy. I work in front line IT as well but I am trying to build a nice wee rep so I can move up to 2nd line support and beyond.
melton could be Jay's boss..
..that would be awkward
That would be hilarious feed!
my take on uni students is this,
they should be given period of time when they leave uni where they can claim benefits without any questions asked, after that they have to go through the same process as anyone else.
some of these people are training to give other people better lives, such as doctors, dentists and such.
as Jay said earlier, the majority of people who attend uni are left with serious debts because they actually want to make something of their lives and improve the country by doing so, so why should they settle for working in mcdonalds??
At the moment I'm down as 'junior web developer', though I don't really do much actually developing, mainly just site maintenance at the moment, but before I blew my house up, I was teaching myself more about the languages that they're using to build the site.
I bit their hand off at 15k, purely because, I have next to no travel costs, because I get a lift in on the motorbike with my dad. I only pay £200 a month in rent, which covers food, which is usually cooked for me for when we get home, and all other bills. When they get back with this improved contract, I will have enough to move out, in to central London, where I will pay more rent, but still no travel costs.
Couldn't get public transport in every day while I'm living where I am, it is £25 a day give or take.
dunc
A lot of uni students waste the grants that are given to them and just basically go on a three year pi ss up marathon instead of trying to save a bit
I work in a firm of accountants and from experience, the foreigners like the Romanians and the Polish etc are far better workers than the English. They might need be good communicating at the start but they also dont spend time on facebook behind the bosses back, they also dont whinge too much about holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay. They just get on with the job. Basically they're less hassle. Im generalising here a bit but some of it, is true.
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im not suprised they arent fecking complaining, the majority of these people get to live in this country for next to nothing and still claim benefits that get sent back to their own country, all while earning a wage.
i wouldnt be feckin complaining either!
Bear in mind with Uni students that you don't pay the loan back until over a certain wage, which I think has gone up recently anyway. From my experience there, i'd say it was 50/50 between wanting to make something and better themselves and a three year long p!ss up!
I think we should not be pushing people to go to Uni in the first place.
There is nothing wrong with vocational training and apprenticeships and that is what we need to be pushing. I don't have a degree and I don't feel like I am missing any skills for the real world workplace.
They completely fecked up my loans in the 3rd year and if my old employer hadn't over paid me by £3k, which I had to give back out of my loan, I'd have been completely fecked! Ended up owing my best mate £500 and spending my last month living on pasta, salt, and pepper!
A lot of uni students waste the grants that are given to them and just basically go on a three year pi ss up marathon instead of trying to save a bit
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not all do though mate.
not all do though mate.
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By the amount I post on here while at work, I'm beginning to think I have wasted my time
"At the moment I'm down as 'junior web developer', though I don't really do much actually developing, mainly just site maintenance at the moment, but before I blew my house up, I was teaching myself more about the languages that they're using to build the site. "
What languages do they use? It is worth doing a course and getting a certificate in a couple of them, you can go contracting and earn a lot of money in web development. It's one of those areas that I would never recommend working full time for a company unless they give very good benefits, if you can, you will make more contracting.
jay,
i never went to uni and i do ok on here
I went to Uni and left after a year when my wife had our first child. Can't say it ever held me back. In fact, if I could do it again, I probably would choose not to go. I made a lot of friends there, but I was ready to get away from academia. I was only good at stuff that really interested me, anything else I just wouldn't bother doing.
I've interviewed people with degrees that have the behavioural development of 10 year olds. Sometimes, they really aren't worth it. It really is different for every individual.
Yeah my dad has said I should go contracting asap, but nowhere is going to take me seriously until I've got more targeted experience in developing. I'm teaching myself more javascript and maybe some .net after that. I don't plan to be sat on front end stuff for too long.
My dad at the moment is senior app developer/it management, and he contracts here and he's on a small fortune.
They always are Jay. The downside is you have to have confidence in selling yourself as you could go a while in between contracts. That is the flip side. Spend a grand or two doing proper courses in java and .net and you will recoup it very quickly. Where are you based btw?
Developers scare me but I think that's because I'm not a developer guy and never will be. I'm a support guy.
My mate works in IT and is currently in Abu Dhabi 'contracting' whilst sitting next to the pool on the 30 something floor of a 5* hotel...
Hoping he falls out the window
(but maybe just the 2nd floor window, breaking his ankle or something).
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posted on 8/3/13
Bear in mind that market value is dependent on what salary people are willing to accept. If an employer can offer the lower end and still attract the same people (and retain them, if there are no other jobs available), then they are always going to do that.
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I agree, I have happily accepted a rolling contract, on just £15k a year, reviewed 1 month at a time. Yes it is lower than I wanted, but in my current circumstances, it is more than enough. They are currently in the process of reviewing a better contract on anywhere up to £25k, or so my boss says. I've been working here 7 months now. Though I bet they wouldn't offer me anything if they could see my post history on here...
posted on 8/3/13
some people are lucky enough to have fairly well off parents so they dont need to claim benefits.
I currently only have a part time job in the NHS on a sunday and i get paid 18 pounds an hour which is fking wicked.
I work an extra two days a week for my parents company free of charge as I am living in their house at the moment.
I am currently in 'interview' stage of my RAF process for joining and the bastads take forever to do anything simple!
If i fail, I am going on a manhunt for a civvi job
posted on 8/3/13
Being unemployed is a miserable experience. You are met with nothing but contempt every time you walk into the job centre from employees and anyone on the street who sees you. You have no purpose, no reason to get out of bed in the morning. You end up depressed and isolated and put on weight because you eat just for something to do.
I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on benefits choose that life.
posted on 8/3/13
I work in a firm of accountants and from experience, the foreigners like the Romanians and the Polish etc are far better workers than the English. They might need be good communicating at the start but they also dont spend time on facebook behind the bosses back, they also dont whinge too much about holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay. They just get on with the job. Basically they're less hassle. Im generalising here a bit but some of it, is true.
posted on 8/3/13
They might need be good communicating
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If you're helping them with their English, they're fecked
You say they don't go on Facebook, etc, I'm sat next to a Polish bloke, who is on Facebook. He's a bloody intelligent bloke though.
posted on 8/3/13
"I agree, I have happily accepted a rolling contract, on just £15k a year, reviewed 1 month at a time. Yes it is lower than I wanted, but in my current circumstances, it is more than enough. They are currently in the process of reviewing a better contract on anywhere up to £25k, or so my boss says. I've been working here 7 months now. Though I bet they wouldn't offer me anything if they could see my post history on here..."
That's actually a good point (and one I am just as guilty of, luckily being the boss though, no one can check my posting history!)
What job do you do in IT jay? That is my field as well, 15k is pretty low even for help desk.
posted on 8/3/13
Oooh a fellow IT guy. I work in front line IT as well but I am trying to build a nice wee rep so I can move up to 2nd line support and beyond.
posted on 8/3/13
melton could be Jay's boss..
..that would be awkward
posted on 8/3/13
That would be hilarious feed!
posted on 8/3/13
my take on uni students is this,
they should be given period of time when they leave uni where they can claim benefits without any questions asked, after that they have to go through the same process as anyone else.
some of these people are training to give other people better lives, such as doctors, dentists and such.
as Jay said earlier, the majority of people who attend uni are left with serious debts because they actually want to make something of their lives and improve the country by doing so, so why should they settle for working in mcdonalds??
posted on 8/3/13
At the moment I'm down as 'junior web developer', though I don't really do much actually developing, mainly just site maintenance at the moment, but before I blew my house up, I was teaching myself more about the languages that they're using to build the site.
I bit their hand off at 15k, purely because, I have next to no travel costs, because I get a lift in on the motorbike with my dad. I only pay £200 a month in rent, which covers food, which is usually cooked for me for when we get home, and all other bills. When they get back with this improved contract, I will have enough to move out, in to central London, where I will pay more rent, but still no travel costs.
Couldn't get public transport in every day while I'm living where I am, it is £25 a day give or take.
posted on 8/3/13
dunc
A lot of uni students waste the grants that are given to them and just basically go on a three year pi ss up marathon instead of trying to save a bit
posted on 8/3/13
I work in a firm of accountants and from experience, the foreigners like the Romanians and the Polish etc are far better workers than the English. They might need be good communicating at the start but they also dont spend time on facebook behind the bosses back, they also dont whinge too much about holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay. They just get on with the job. Basically they're less hassle. Im generalising here a bit but some of it, is true.
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im not suprised they arent fecking complaining, the majority of these people get to live in this country for next to nothing and still claim benefits that get sent back to their own country, all while earning a wage.
i wouldnt be feckin complaining either!
posted on 8/3/13
Bear in mind with Uni students that you don't pay the loan back until over a certain wage, which I think has gone up recently anyway. From my experience there, i'd say it was 50/50 between wanting to make something and better themselves and a three year long p!ss up!
posted on 8/3/13
I think we should not be pushing people to go to Uni in the first place.
There is nothing wrong with vocational training and apprenticeships and that is what we need to be pushing. I don't have a degree and I don't feel like I am missing any skills for the real world workplace.
posted on 8/3/13
They completely fecked up my loans in the 3rd year and if my old employer hadn't over paid me by £3k, which I had to give back out of my loan, I'd have been completely fecked! Ended up owing my best mate £500 and spending my last month living on pasta, salt, and pepper!
posted on 8/3/13
A lot of uni students waste the grants that are given to them and just basically go on a three year pi ss up marathon instead of trying to save a bit
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not all do though mate.
posted on 8/3/13
not all do though mate.
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By the amount I post on here while at work, I'm beginning to think I have wasted my time
posted on 8/3/13
"At the moment I'm down as 'junior web developer', though I don't really do much actually developing, mainly just site maintenance at the moment, but before I blew my house up, I was teaching myself more about the languages that they're using to build the site. "
What languages do they use? It is worth doing a course and getting a certificate in a couple of them, you can go contracting and earn a lot of money in web development. It's one of those areas that I would never recommend working full time for a company unless they give very good benefits, if you can, you will make more contracting.
posted on 8/3/13
jay,
i never went to uni and i do ok on here
posted on 8/3/13
I went to Uni and left after a year when my wife had our first child. Can't say it ever held me back. In fact, if I could do it again, I probably would choose not to go. I made a lot of friends there, but I was ready to get away from academia. I was only good at stuff that really interested me, anything else I just wouldn't bother doing.
I've interviewed people with degrees that have the behavioural development of 10 year olds. Sometimes, they really aren't worth it. It really is different for every individual.
posted on 8/3/13
Yeah my dad has said I should go contracting asap, but nowhere is going to take me seriously until I've got more targeted experience in developing. I'm teaching myself more javascript and maybe some .net after that. I don't plan to be sat on front end stuff for too long.
My dad at the moment is senior app developer/it management, and he contracts here and he's on a small fortune.
posted on 8/3/13
They always are Jay. The downside is you have to have confidence in selling yourself as you could go a while in between contracts. That is the flip side. Spend a grand or two doing proper courses in java and .net and you will recoup it very quickly. Where are you based btw?
posted on 8/3/13
Developers scare me but I think that's because I'm not a developer guy and never will be. I'm a support guy.
posted on 8/3/13
My mate works in IT and is currently in Abu Dhabi 'contracting' whilst sitting next to the pool on the 30 something floor of a 5* hotel...
Hoping he falls out the window
(but maybe just the 2nd floor window, breaking his ankle or something).
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