"Ballon D'or is for the best individual player. I saw a fair bit of Sneijder when he was Inter and he was very good, especially when Mourinho was there, but a realistic winner for Ballon D'or? In my opinion, no."
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Sneijder is the most overrated midfielder of the past 10 years

He doesn't play in a much better team, as proven last season. Barca have been better in the league this season, but Madrid have been the better of the two teams when going head-to-head for a while now.
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If you think real are a better team than barca then their is no point to this.

So what is messi has a couple more assists in a better team? when was the last time messi tracked back and defended? what does messi do for his team other than score and get the odd assist? last season showed that it takes more than that for your team to win.

it is like basketball Durant (messi) gets slightly more points than lebron james (ronaldo) but james is better at everything else and is by far the better player.

I'm sure he didn't win all of them. But of course, he deserved them
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so you take them out and messi has 4 more goals in 1 more game. as a striker. ronaldo as a winger.

"If you think real are a better team than barca then their is no point to this. "
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I never said that.

"So what is messi has a couple more assists in a better team? when was the last time messi tracked back and defended? what does messi do for his team other than score and get the odd assist? last season showed that it takes more than that for your team to win."
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It's not a couple more assists, it's far more assists.

That's not the point anyway, the question is WHY he has more despite Ronaldo playing in a position where he should be getting more assists? I already addressed the 'better team' argument, so what else is there?

And I haven't got a clue about basketball.

"so you take them out and messi has 4 more goals in 1 more game. as a striker. ronaldo as a winger."
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Messi won and buried penalties too

Also, Ronaldo isn't a winger. Not sure why you keep saying that. He starts off wide but spends most of his time roaming wherever he wants, usually in central areas. And Messi isn't exactly an out and out striker, is he? He drops deep all the time, creates chances and space for his team mates etc. So that argument is quite weak.

The ballon door should be given to the player that wins most individually as a team. you dont get awards for individual performance. it's about what you win AS A TEAM. Name me an award that is based on individual performance. Thought not.

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^^ wtf lol?

this season in la liga ronaldo goals 46 assists 12
messi g 42 a 10

messi has more?

last season messi had more of both but obv that wasnt good enough as ronaldos team did much better so obv what ronaldo was doing (more than just goals and assists) was better for his team.

the season before that ronaldo had 8 less assists but had 9 more goals.

so aside fro last season, when ronaldos team did better because of ronaldo, ronaldo was better assist and goal wise


And I haven't got a clue about basketball.
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you dont need to to understand that the best overall player, is the better player.

Sneijder would've won 2010 Ballon d'Or under old voting system

sorry, that first stat was a poor wum, ronaldo is doing poor assist and goal wise this year. doesnt mean he isnt doing everything else on the pitch though.

Snejder is not good. Always ok but not good.

"this season in la liga ronaldo goals 46 assists 12
messi g 42 a 10

messi has more?"
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Firstly, those are inaccurate.

Secondly, why are you basing it on this season alone?

"last season messi had more of both but obv that wasnt good enough as ronaldos team did much better so obv what ronaldo was doing (more than just goals and assists) was better for his team. "
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As an attacker, nothing you do for your team is better than scoring and assisting. Everything else is a bonus.

"the season before that ronaldo had 8 less assists but had 9 more goals."
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Again, you're going my league stats alone. Why? You should base your argument on all competitions.

Snejder is not good

"sorry, that first stat was a poor wum, ronaldo is doing poor assist and goal wise this year. doesnt mean he isnt doing everything else on the pitch though."
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Apology accepted.

shouldnt go to best player

Sneijder is a quality player. Just nowhere near as good as people think/thought he is/was.

He's only ever had 1 outstanding season in his career.

He's a fat oaf.

As an attacker, nothing you do for your team is better than scoring and assisting. Everything else is a bonus.
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actually, as a football player, everything you do on the pitch matters. are we discussing the best attacker or the best player? i thought it was best player?

Again, you're going my league stats alone. Why? You should base your argument on all competitions.
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because the league is the best, most consist way of judging a team/player as everyone plays the same teams the same times under the same conditions etc.

Basketball team attack team defend everyone involved. Football different. Comparison = dumb

isnt that what you want from a footballer? from them to be able to do everything? otherwise it would be impossible to compare different positions. heskey is better than cannavaro because he scored more goals.

"actually, as a football player, everything you do on the pitch matters. are we discussing the best attacker or the best player? i thought it was best player?"
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I know everything matters, but what matters most for attackers is to contribute to goals. Whether it by goals or assists. Everything else is a bonus.

They're both attackers and the two best players in the world. Not quite sure what you meant there?

"because the league is the best, most consist way of judging a team/player as everyone plays the same teams the same times under the same conditions etc."
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Again, I'm not quite sure how you've come to that conclusion. Quality wise, the CL is above any league in the world because all the best teams from every league competes in it. So excluding a player's stats/contributions from that competition is a bit naive. You're using league stats alone because it suits your argument. They both start in pretty much all matches in all competitions, so they should be judged on every game, from every competition.

So, Messi is better whichever way you look at it. You can compare them using stats, or generally what they contribute to the team (the way I like to compare them, as you know I think stats are pretty misleading and pointless).

"isnt that what you want from a footballer? from them to be able to do everything? otherwise it would be impossible to compare different positions. heskey is better than cannavaro because he scored more goals."
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Okay now you're WUMming, surely?

You want your defenders to do defending and your attackers to do attacking.

Heskey was a better striker than Cannavaro, Cannavaro was a better defender. It's a stupid comparison and just doesn't work.

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