I genuinely can't believe people bring up 1999.
Yes, we did well in Europe that season but in the preceding ones and the ones after that we were awful. It's because a swashbuckling style like that has its limitations. Even Dortmund could have come unstuck playing that way against Malaga this season.
United from 2006-2011 had an incredible record in Europe and perhaps (from what my memory can recall) only lost 3 or 4 games in there while actually playing some good stuff but also with great tactical awareness.
Losing twice to Barca (the greatest side ever) should not be held against us especially considering how poor we were in Europe all those years before.
What baffles me is that we as fans accept that Sir Alex was a great builder of sides and surely we knew that this current one is a work in progress and yet they still expected us (remember - a work in progress) to go all out attack on Real.
Had we lost 6-2 I bet the same people on here would slate Sir Alex for being too gung-ho in Europe.
It really is laughable.
Dortmund arent gung ho, no team in europe are gung ho, they play with intensity but also with tactical discipline, dortmund arent just some fantasy team full of amazingly skillful players who attack for 90 minutes, neither are bayern, they attack as a team and defend as a team, we attack with 3 players and defend with 7 in europe
Mex
The difference between Dortmund and us is that they have been playing as a unit for some time and also pretty much only had Europe to concentrate on.
We are a fairly newly put together side and not the finished article (perhaps that particular side will never see the light of day if Rooney and Nani leave) so European success was just a bonus this season.
For Dortmund it was pretty much their year.
this was only dortmunds second season in europe and most of the attackers had only been together for 2/3 years, none of their team had ever played a knockout CL tie before
It was pretty much the same side as last year bar Reus for Kagawa.
We were concentrating on the league as well as had a ton of new players being rotated all over the place.
Surely you can see that there are mitigating factors?
We were concentrating on the league as well as had a ton of new players being rotated all over the place.
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
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It was the worst I have ever seen it in the 47 years I have suppoted United.
It was pretty much the same side as last year bar Reus for Kagawa.
ours was the same team bar RVP and Kagawa
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
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It was the worst I have ever seen it in the 47 years I have suppoted United.
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One of the worst instances was the Derby when Giggs was kept on let alone played at the behest of a fit Cleverley and Anderson.
thats not over rotation really thats just poor decision making by the manager
I'd call it a bit of both tbf.
Does over rotation beget poor management, or vice versa...
fans accept that Sir Alex was a great builder of sides and surely we knew that this current one is a work in progress
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People have been calling us a team in transition since 2009.
Over rotation helped win us the league. Only perhaps
De Gea,Rafael,Vidic,Rio,RVP, Carrick consistently played well all season. SAF did an amazing job to get that team to win the title.
SAF knew that to attack Real at home was not the right tactic. Most of us probably wanted us to play our natural game but it may well have been suicide. Madrid one of the best counter attacking teams in world football. The tactics were spot on until the sending off.
I admit Dortmund looked a better team than us last season. A clash against them would have been interesting to say the least.
Over rotation helped win us the league.
i refuse to believe that if he'd stuck with a more settled side and played a proper formation rather than a mish mash 6 formations a match style we wouldnt have won the league
SAF did an amazing job to get that team to win the title.
............................
Rob could manage United for the title.
RVP would be on the right wing mind.
Believe what you like but Valencia wasn't rotated and was atrocious all season for example. Cleverley,Anderson,Giggs none of them consistent enough to warrant a run of games etc...
Certain games call for certain players and tactics to be used and different formations in today's game.
Football_bloodyhell
We are aware we won the title. But, the gist of the previous two pages of comments is that we have been playing pi ss poor football, in doing so.
And this was due to over rotation and playing players out of their familiar position.
The older fans amongst us, are not chuffed about this.
Cleverley,Anderson,Giggs none of them consistent enough to warrant a run of games etc
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With Cleverley and Anderson, they couldn't get consistant. You can't if you play one game, then sit out the next four.
The older fans amongst us, are not chuffed about this.
and some of us younger ones
I am one of the older fans and of course we all want to see fantasy attacking football and we have been spoilt by success. He rotated to get the best out of this squad and if he hadn't we probably would have not won the league IMO. He knows the deficiencies of certain players and the strengths and weaknesses and that it's a bloody long season.
I still maintain he did wonders to win that league.
Certain games call for certain players and tactics to be used and different formations in today's game.
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I'm an advocate of the phrase: 'If you are that good, people will have to change their tactics for you. Not the other way around'.
How better to establish that ethos than sticking a CF on the wing, a CB in midfield, a 39 LW in CM etc etc etc.
footballbloodyhell
youre not telling me that any manchester derby requires ryan giggs in central midfield at the age of 39, i dont care if we were 15 points clear at the time because we all know full well if we had only been 3 points clear giggs would have played in that match, because he did the year before
Jay Jay - You might be a big advocate but look how many games we won last season.
First and foremost I want us to win, secondly I want us to tonk every team but that's not always possible.
The reason we didn't is due to chronic lack of form from our wingers, Rooney, injuries and a very poor midfield as per usual that requires the wingers to play well...
First and foremost I want us to win, secondly I want us to tonk every team but that's not always possible.
why cant we have both?
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posted on 26/6/13
I genuinely can't believe people bring up 1999.
Yes, we did well in Europe that season but in the preceding ones and the ones after that we were awful. It's because a swashbuckling style like that has its limitations. Even Dortmund could have come unstuck playing that way against Malaga this season.
United from 2006-2011 had an incredible record in Europe and perhaps (from what my memory can recall) only lost 3 or 4 games in there while actually playing some good stuff but also with great tactical awareness.
Losing twice to Barca (the greatest side ever) should not be held against us especially considering how poor we were in Europe all those years before.
What baffles me is that we as fans accept that Sir Alex was a great builder of sides and surely we knew that this current one is a work in progress and yet they still expected us (remember - a work in progress) to go all out attack on Real.
Had we lost 6-2 I bet the same people on here would slate Sir Alex for being too gung-ho in Europe.
It really is laughable.
posted on 26/6/13
Dortmund arent gung ho, no team in europe are gung ho, they play with intensity but also with tactical discipline, dortmund arent just some fantasy team full of amazingly skillful players who attack for 90 minutes, neither are bayern, they attack as a team and defend as a team, we attack with 3 players and defend with 7 in europe
posted on 26/6/13
Mex
The difference between Dortmund and us is that they have been playing as a unit for some time and also pretty much only had Europe to concentrate on.
We are a fairly newly put together side and not the finished article (perhaps that particular side will never see the light of day if Rooney and Nani leave) so European success was just a bonus this season.
For Dortmund it was pretty much their year.
posted on 26/6/13
this was only dortmunds second season in europe and most of the attackers had only been together for 2/3 years, none of their team had ever played a knockout CL tie before
posted on 26/6/13
It was pretty much the same side as last year bar Reus for Kagawa.
We were concentrating on the league as well as had a ton of new players being rotated all over the place.
Surely you can see that there are mitigating factors?
posted on 26/6/13
We were concentrating on the league as well as had a ton of new players being rotated all over the place.
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
posted on 26/6/13
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
.....................
It was the worst I have ever seen it in the 47 years I have suppoted United.
posted on 26/6/13
It was pretty much the same side as last year bar Reus for Kagawa.
ours was the same team bar RVP and Kagawa
posted on 26/6/13
well maybe thats the problem, over rotation last season was ridiculous
.....................
It was the worst I have ever seen it in the 47 years I have suppoted United.
-------------------------------------------
One of the worst instances was the Derby when Giggs was kept on let alone played at the behest of a fit Cleverley and Anderson.
posted on 26/6/13
thats not over rotation really thats just poor decision making by the manager
posted on 26/6/13
I'd call it a bit of both tbf.
Does over rotation beget poor management, or vice versa...
posted on 26/6/13
fans accept that Sir Alex was a great builder of sides and surely we knew that this current one is a work in progress
________________
People have been calling us a team in transition since 2009.
posted on 26/6/13
Over rotation helped win us the league. Only perhaps
De Gea,Rafael,Vidic,Rio,RVP, Carrick consistently played well all season. SAF did an amazing job to get that team to win the title.
SAF knew that to attack Real at home was not the right tactic. Most of us probably wanted us to play our natural game but it may well have been suicide. Madrid one of the best counter attacking teams in world football. The tactics were spot on until the sending off.
I admit Dortmund looked a better team than us last season. A clash against them would have been interesting to say the least.
posted on 26/6/13
Over rotation helped win us the league.
i refuse to believe that if he'd stuck with a more settled side and played a proper formation rather than a mish mash 6 formations a match style we wouldnt have won the league
posted on 26/6/13
SAF did an amazing job to get that team to win the title.
............................
Rob could manage United for the title.
RVP would be on the right wing mind.
posted on 26/6/13
Believe what you like but Valencia wasn't rotated and was atrocious all season for example. Cleverley,Anderson,Giggs none of them consistent enough to warrant a run of games etc...
Certain games call for certain players and tactics to be used and different formations in today's game.
posted on 26/6/13
Football_bloodyhell
We are aware we won the title. But, the gist of the previous two pages of comments is that we have been playing pi ss poor football, in doing so.
And this was due to over rotation and playing players out of their familiar position.
The older fans amongst us, are not chuffed about this.
posted on 26/6/13
Cleverley,Anderson,Giggs none of them consistent enough to warrant a run of games etc
..........................
With Cleverley and Anderson, they couldn't get consistant. You can't if you play one game, then sit out the next four.
posted on 26/6/13
The older fans amongst us, are not chuffed about this.
and some of us younger ones
posted on 26/6/13
I am one of the older fans and of course we all want to see fantasy attacking football and we have been spoilt by success. He rotated to get the best out of this squad and if he hadn't we probably would have not won the league IMO. He knows the deficiencies of certain players and the strengths and weaknesses and that it's a bloody long season.
I still maintain he did wonders to win that league.
posted on 26/6/13
Certain games call for certain players and tactics to be used and different formations in today's game.
------------------------------
I'm an advocate of the phrase: 'If you are that good, people will have to change their tactics for you. Not the other way around'.
How better to establish that ethos than sticking a CF on the wing, a CB in midfield, a 39 LW in CM etc etc etc.
posted on 26/6/13
footballbloodyhell
youre not telling me that any manchester derby requires ryan giggs in central midfield at the age of 39, i dont care if we were 15 points clear at the time because we all know full well if we had only been 3 points clear giggs would have played in that match, because he did the year before
posted on 26/6/13
Jay Jay
posted on 26/6/13
Jay Jay - You might be a big advocate but look how many games we won last season.
First and foremost I want us to win, secondly I want us to tonk every team but that's not always possible.
The reason we didn't is due to chronic lack of form from our wingers, Rooney, injuries and a very poor midfield as per usual that requires the wingers to play well...
posted on 26/6/13
First and foremost I want us to win, secondly I want us to tonk every team but that's not always possible.
why cant we have both?
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