Being half Japanese I get so pi$$ed off that Asian in England only means west Asian countries such as India, Pakistan etc.

Filling in forms where ethnicity is a question is always ridiculous, I'm not allowed to tick Asian as that doesn't include East Asian countries here and the only other option I have is Chinese, as if all 'wonky eyed' people must be Chinese, it's a joke.

I also got told off by someone for calling myself oriental recently from a white person, they said that was racist!!!

That is weird. I call people from Asia 'Asian'.

Those ethnicity forms are stupid.

don't get your point. I never said I was Irish or that people from Ireland should consider themselves British.

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I never claimed you did say anything of the sort. I merely found it odd that another poster reckons that most people from outside the uk consider the Irish as British, where my own experience is quite the opposite. British and English seem interchangeable to a lot of Americans that ive met, for example, but they wouldn't make the same connection with the scots or welsh or N Irish. Not trying to have a go, just a wee chat as I wait for the kettle to boil.

"I also got told off by someone for calling myself oriental recently from a white person, they said that was racist!!!"

I've always found this one interesting. In a lot of countries the term 'oriental' is seen as out of date and in some cases can be offensive due to it not relating to race or nationality.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
don't get your point. I never said I was Irish or that people from Ireland should consider themselves British.

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I never claimed you did say anything of the sort. I merely found it odd that another poster reckons that most people from outside the uk consider the Irish as British, where my own experience is quite the opposite. British and English seem interchangeable to a lot of Americans that ive met, for example, but they wouldn't make the same connection with the scots or welsh or N Irish. Not trying to have a go, just a wee chat as I wait for the kettle to boil.

"I also got told off by someone for calling myself oriental recently from a white person, they said that was racist!!!"

I've always found this one interesting. In a lot of countries the term 'oriental' is seen as out of date and in some cases can be offensive due to it not relating to race or nationality.


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Fair enough. From my own personal experience I have family members from Northern Ireland that call themselves very British.

Equally there are people from their neighbourhood who consider themselves very Irish.

I guess it's just down to your own personal choice.

I've always found this one interesting. In a lot of countries the term 'oriental' is seen as out of date and in some cases can be offensive due to it not relating to race or nationality
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I don't see how it can be deemed offensive "orient" means "east" or east of Europe, what could possibly be offensive about the term.

Yeah, supposedly the term oriental can only be used to describe an object, not a person. It's PC nonsense, I'm proud to be oriental. I think you're allowed to use whatever term you like to describe yourself, no matter how offensive it is supposed to be, it's a term to describe yourself, you own it.

Reminds me of this Louis CK sketch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

It's like someone from England being offended by the term northerner/southerner depending on whereabouts they live.

I don't see how it can be deemed offensive "orient" means "east" or east of Europe, what could possibly be offensive about the term.

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I believe the argument is that strips people of any sort of cultural, ethnic or national identity.

To paraphrase manu1982, "all 'wonky eyed' people must be Chinese/the same"

The home nations have an agreement not to this with players from outside countries

How long does he have to have been stationed in England before he's eligible? Is it 2 years or 5 years? Either way I don't think it's long enough.

I believe the argument is that strips people of any sort of cultural, ethnic or national identity.
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Only if people want to feel stripped of national identity, do Uruguayans or Argentinians feel offended about being called south American?

I'm proud to be oriental. I think you're allowed to use whatever term you like to describe yourself, no matter how offensive it is supposed to be, it's a term to describe yourself, you own it

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This much is true, but the offense comes when others are using a term to marginalize you. Like I said, it's an interesting thing to look at how certain terms have different meanings in different nations. Most Asians in the US (to my knowledge anyway) hate the term oriental to describe people from Asia. It seems to go back to ww2 when Japan was on the enemies side yet many Asians of many different countries were treated as second class citizens due to being 'oriental'.

I'm English, i'm also british, i'm also European, neither of those terms offend me in any way shape or form, like I said people will always feel offended by these things, it's the way of the world.

That's the thing, for me it boils down to purely how you use a word. 99% of people outside of the US probably aren't aware of the negative connotations relating to that word so aren't using it negatively. So it really pi$$ed me off when a white person had a go at me for saying it when I'm the 'oriental' person and had no idea about it's derogative meaning.

Anyway this has gone on a bit of a tangent. I don't know Januzaj but I have no idea why he would want to play for England, he's not English, has no English relatives, has only lived here for 2 years to play for United, could possibly be off to Juve and England are $hit.

Only if people want to feel stripped of national identity, do Uruguayans or Argentinians feel offended about being called south American?

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South American to my knowledge has never been used as a derogatory term where oriental absolutely has. Maybe not in England but certainly in the US.

comment by Robb - it aint easy being cheesy. (U9808)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I say i'm half British because my mum is Northern Irish as well as me living in England.

But being born in Australia and having an Aussie dad and an Aussie grandparent makes my case of nationalism a strange one!
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I think we can all agree you're Australian, honestly, they can have you

interesting one

laura robson considers herself british eventhough shes from australia

lennox lewis
greg rusedski

Both Canadian yet somehow represented England.

Lewis was born on 2 September 1965, in West Ham, London, England to Jamaican-born parents.[2] At birth he weighed 10 pounds 10 ounces (4.8 kg), and was given the name Lennox by the doctor, who said he looked like a Lennox.[3] Lewis moved to Kitchener, Ontario


Lennox Lewis is Canadian as the American national anthem

Greg rusedski unfortunately some how we got stuck with. He was woeful.

Do you mean usa national anthem?

god no robb, why would we want to inflict playing under roy hodgson on the poor lad, and the fact that he'll forever be a scapegoat for whenever england are shít like Rooney has been for the last decade

I'm half Twattish by birth and half by conscious choice

Number 6: Where am I?
Number 2: In the Village.
Number 6: What do you want?
Number 2: We want information.
Number 6: Whose side are you on?
Number 2: That would be telling. We want information... information... information.
Number 6: You won't get it.
Number 2: By hook or by crook, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Number 2: The new Number 2.
Number 6: Who is Number 1?
Number 2: You are Number 6.
Number 6: I am not a number, I am a free man.

this quote will only mean anything to the older posters and those that enjoy magic mushrooms.