Winston

So you're ultimately saying that if I'm a full back and Milner is coming on in front of me, it means I've done a poor job?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 seconds ago
BusbysBabes (U9083)

We aren't going to get to the final.

If you're faced with a game where England will have less possession, the idea of playing an attacking full back over your best defensive full back is, to me, wrong.
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Which is why I said vs a Spain or Italy of play Cole.

Allowing ourself e sit back vs a Brazil or Portugal is giving the game away. We have the attacking talent to give any defence problems, we have a defence who isn't gives ourselves problems, and Cole ain't gonna change that, if you think otherwise you're deluded. Time to move forward.

Spurtle2 (U1608)

It's more if he starts the game.

But yes, if Milner starts right wing in front of you, to me it suggests the manager is concerned about how good our right back is.

I don't believe Capello played Milner there because he thought is was our best attacking option.

BusbyBabes

I thought Welbeck was better than Sturridge last night, and for all his poorness in front of goal he worked hard in other areas. But I think you're naive if you won't accept that other players can't come in and do what he does and better.

OP = clueless fkin dunce.

comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
omment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

I think I have more of a clue than you.

The modern full backs that you mention; firstly, having the ball is rather important.

Secondly, is Cole clueless going forward? I think not.

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You haven't got a clue Winston full stop.Cole is not in the same class as Baines is going forward and even in his prime he was nowhere near as good as Baines is now.

With this Baines can't do anything if England don't have the ball are you suggesting England should approach games like they did at Euro 2012 against France and Italy etc.Hodgson himself in an interview after the game said the England team and there approach to games have improved greatly since then.

One thing I can say that you can't deny,England with Baines at leftback won the 2 games they needed to.You can't say they would have with Cole playing with the same confidence
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If Winston was in charge of England he'd want to I show passion and grit and play '44 fecking 2'.

BusbysBabes (U9083)

I'm deluded why - because you disagree? Grow up.

I think it's rather naive to believe that by attacking teams like Portugal and Brazil, we reduce their attacking threat.

I also think that chopping and changing your back four in the middle of a tournament is a mistake.

Finally, I think if we do draw Brazil or Portugal, Hodgson will look to contain them, rather than take your approach.

'44 fecking 2'.

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Mike Bassett for England.

comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
BusbyBabes

I thought Welbeck was better than Sturridge last night, and for all his poorness in front of goal he worked hard in other areas. But I think you're naive if you won't accept that other players can't come in and do what he does and better.
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England don't have a player who has Welbs physique for starters. If we did, you'd have a good point, but Lemalla? Feck me, he'd be like a deer in headlights.

BusbysBabes (U9083)

You are an aggressive little keyboard warrior, aren't you?

I suggest you grow up and learn to accept other people's opinions, because at the moment you are coming across like a complete muppet.

Mike 'winston' Bassett don't you mean

I think Milner has tended to start due to an over-conservative approach to the game from managers, when we've had better attacking wingers to choose from. Milner being selected from the start for me is always the wrong choice.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
BusbysBabes (U9083)

You are an aggressive little keyboard warrior, aren't you?

I suggest you grow up and learn to accept other people's opinions, because at the moment you are coming across like a complete muppet.

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And yet you are the one that won't accept the majorities opinions on here.

You are a right proper Kermit

Spurtle2 (U1608)

I agree. Although it has highlighted a worrying weakness at full back in the past.

phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

Why do I have to accept it?

Is JA 606 the most sought after set of opinions in the world?

Your opinion is no more valuable than mine.

Either learn to debate like an adult, or leave.

Thanks

BusbyBabes

You mean Lallana?

All I ask is we at least try other options like Agbonlahor or Lallana. Hell if Milner is allowed to play then these guys should.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
BusbysBabes (U9083)

I'm deluded why - because you disagree? Grow up.

Because you're suggesting the way for England to move forward is with a 32 year old full back who offers nothing on the ball.



I think it's rather naive to believe that by attacking teams like Portugal and Brazil, we reduce their attacking threat.


So you think we'd have more chance sitting back? We'd still have 3 other defenders and two sitting midfielders. 442 and we'd get beat, like we always have.


I also think that chopping and changing your back four in the middle of a tournament is a mistake.


Then you play your best players, and everybody on here (yourself aside) agrees Baines has been the better footballer for a good period of time now



Finally, I think if we do draw Brazil or Portugal, Hodgson will look to contain them, rather than take your approach.


And that's why we won't get anywhere. Our attacking 4 yesterday would cause any defence problems.
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BusbysBabes (U9083)

'nothing on the ball'

Do you think that's a sensible comment?

Did I say sit back?

It does amuse me, you think we'll get somewhere if we 'go for it' against Spain and Brazil.

The good old British public.

comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
BusbyBabes

You mean Lallana?

All I ask is we at least try other options like Agbonlahor or Lallana. Hell if Milner is allowed to play then these guys should.


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Certainly they should be given a go, as should Barkley and Ox, that is what the friendlies are for

Winston

If the manager needs Milner to sit in front of the full back from the start then the manager has selected the wrong full back. It's as simple as that.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 seconds ago
phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

Why do I have to accept it?

Is JA 606 the most sought after set of opinions in the world?

Your opinion is no more valuable than mine.

Either learn to debate like an adult, or leave.

Thanks

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Why do the majority on here have to accept what you say ?

You are in the minority here and the one throwing the most insults around as you are being shown up time and time again

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
BusbysBabes (U9083)

You are an aggressive little keyboard warrior, aren't you?

I suggest you grow up and learn to accept other people's opinions, because at the moment you are coming across like a complete muppet.
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Who hVe I threatened? Keyboard worrier, I am responding to every one of your points yet you ignore every one of mine and pick on a single world.

Explain, tactically, what do we do down the left with Cole at left back? Why do you think sitting back is he way forward for England? It's not worked for 40 years.

OP - as a Chelsea fan and regular Cole watcher I feel like I should add that he is fine as part of a defensive unit but not a special player any more, he can be destroyed with pace and adds NOTHING going forward.

phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

Can you please point out where I said people do have to accept what I say?

I believe that was you, not me.

Jay

I've thought Barkley should have been played instead of Lampard these last couple of games. Ox is given a go to be fair, he's just injured at the moment.