comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Celery (U17633)
posted 1 minute ago
Impending failure will be hard to stomach for Utd supporters who have only know success with Fergie.
Stings doesn't it. Everything is cyclical, it just happens to be your time.
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you wish
cream your panties all you want but even deep down you know this is a temporary and expected blip
i heard the same nonsense when cantona left, and ronaldo left etc etc..
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But, the difference is you always had Fergie. Now you dont. Not only that, you also don't have a top drawer manager, you have Moyes.
Think what you like but your current predicament is nothing like losing a top player. Strange that you think it is
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
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he had a bad season which he was rightly sacked for but 1 bad season does not make him a failure
saf has had bad seasons but doesnt make him a bad manager does it
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he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
one league win and one cup win is not good enough when he was brought in to compete with barca and given unlimited funds to do so.
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He won 3 trophies in 3 years and 3 consecutive CL semi finals you complete and utter twonk.
Jose won 2 trophies in 3 years. He beat barca on the way to the cup and comprehensively beat them in the league on the occasion he won it. I think he did a key good job in his first two years against a great team.
In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo
A points record equalled by villanova, the man who mourinho poked in the eye without any provocation.
It's not all moyes' fault that it's not gone to plan so far this season. Man united haven't didn't look that great last season but everyone else was considerably worse, just that fergie knew the players and how to get the best out of them/what makes them tick.
Also need to look at your midfield. For years united's game has been based on having quality wingers as well as having players such as scholes, keane, Robson etc to boss the CM. Now those players have obviously gone and the wingers aren't doing the business (don't know why nani never gets a run of games) hence the struggle
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
8 games, 8 games, its only been 8 games.
after the toughest set of fixtures we have ever had and with a new manager.
oh dear. you should work for the tabloids.
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You think United still have a chance for winning the title? Come on now.
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yes - and we definetely will finish in the top 4 if we dont win the title
but you know that anyways, your just trying to do a bit of not so well disguised wumming right? i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
were on to you
"You are better off getting your views on United from a Leeds fan or a Liverpool fan than Wayne&Robin as they hate us less."
Here's my opinion on Moyes so far.
For me, I think he has struggled so far in terms of getting the balance right between continuity of the way Ferguson used to do things and him doing things his way, and choosing the right moments for that. That is only natural though, to get that balance right is very very difficult.
Ultimately, if he tries to be Ferguson, then he will fail, he has to be himself. You will only really see that when he has had chance to mould the squad a bit more, so after the January window or even the start of next season.
In terms of the football and playing style you guys are playing, the reasons for that go far deeper than Moyes, your squad is a bit disjointed in terms of styles that suit individual players, which again will only really change once you bring a few more in.
It is a huge step up from managing Everton to managing United and the challenges he faces are completely different, both tactically and in dealing with the players. I would have been amazed if he had hit the ground running and got it right from day one though, very few coaches would have managed to do that.
Still a long time to go in the season and due to the tightness of the league this year, even three games can change the league table very quickly. I would wait until at least after January before making any full judgments. That's not to say people can't be critical, they can be, I think people need to think about what the underlying issues really are though, and they are not by any means all down to Moyes.
Personally, I am not his biggest fan, I simply don't like his style of play. Some of the reactions on sites like this have been ridiculous though, he really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip yet for me for how far some people are going with their critique.
he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
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12/13 Barca 29M Real 0
11/12 Barca 11M Real 41M
Wow, 1m more than Barca.
You know nothing.
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previou... (U5768)
posted 7 seconds ago
You are better off getting your views on United from a Leeds fan or a Liverpool fan than Wayne&Robin as they hate us less.
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"In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo"
Completely agree. I actually think he would have done better at Madrid if he didn't have Ronaldo, but that is for a different article and would take me a long time to explain my reasoning!
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
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he had a bad season which he was rightly sacked for but 1 bad season does not make him a failure
saf has had bad seasons but doesnt make him a bad manager does it
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he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
one league win and one cup win is not good enough when he was brought in to compete with barca and given unlimited funds to do so.
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He won 3 trophies in 3 years and 3 consecutive CL semi finals you complete and utter twonk.
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he won one trophy of note, and nothing in europe. domestic cups who takes those seriously.
i thought it wouldn't take long for you to come out and defend his failure at madrid.
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
truth hurts W&R - mourinho is really not all that special. im glad morons like you are not working for man utd.
mourinho got his ass handed to him by barca on numerous occasions and ended up getting the sack.
Heisenberg
You posted this
your wages + transfer arguement is a load of rubbish..
You need to do a bit of research lad there is a direct correlation between wages and league position
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/12/soccernomics-was-wrong-why-transfer-expenditures-matter/
http://soccermetrica.blogspot.ie/2013/03/premier-league-wage-vs-position-table.html
There is just 2 examples, so instead of shooting people down how about you actually do some research on the point being made
It's not simply a matter of buying players, we can all see that while that will certainly improve a league position it does not equate to league position but the correlation between wages and league position is clearly evident.
i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
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comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 1 minute ago
he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
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12/13 Barca 29M Real 0
11/12 Barca 11M Real 41M
Wow, 1m more than Barca.
You know nothing.
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And what do you know? did you get that from wikipedia?
also - what about the expensive squad he already had. the 80m ronaldo?
admit it - he was a failure. but then you are a chelsea fan so you have to defend him.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
"In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo"
Completely agree. I actually think he would have done better at Madrid if he didn't have Ronaldo, but that is for a different article and would take me a long time to explain my reasoning!
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Can you please create this article. I would actually like to debate this. Think you may be right too.
So you are saying that if Liverpool were the top wage spenders that even if they were outspent by 20 other English clubs they should be winning the league?!?
That's rubbish in all honesty, you force any club to make a profit on transfers and they are going to struggle to improve no matter how much they spend in wages....
Fair comment as usual Melton, I asked for Leeds and Liverpool fans though!
I know you did sat, just thought a bit of sanity was needed
yes - and we definetely will finish in the top 4 if we dont win the title
but you know that anyways, your just trying to do a bit of not so well disguised wumming right? i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
were on to you
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It's not wumming, it's realism. The teams between you and the top of the league all seem to be doing better than last season. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Spurs, even Everton, all look like their squads are better than they were last season. On the contrast, United are having their worst start to a season for a while, and not playing particularly well either. Coupled with this they no longer have Ferguson.
I think it's too much to already ask for Moyes to get things right from now on and play consistently well and win matches, while all the improved teams allow them to overtake them.
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
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You didn't even know he'd spent 20m per season which is lower than what Stoke spent in the same years.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Heisenberg
You posted this
your wages + transfer arguement is a load of rubbish..
You need to do a bit of research lad there is a direct correlation between wages and league position
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/12/soccernomics-was-wrong-why-transfer-expenditures-matter/
http://soccermetrica.blogspot.ie/2013/03/premier-league-wage-vs-position-table.html
There is just 2 examples, so instead of shooting people down how about you actually do some research on the point being made
It's not simply a matter of buying players, we can all see that while that will certainly improve a league position it does not equate to league position but the correlation between wages and league position is clearly evident.
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wow a scouser supporting a fellow wum in south london manc.
those two articles from sites nobody here has heard of is supposed to convince me that moyes is a poor manager and did an average job at everton?
maybe you should be a bit less bitter and try to present a more convincing arguement.
also SLM has not considered net spend - just using cash spent and wages is flawed.
teams have outspent united and yet we still win the league and get accused of buying the league. you can't have it both ways.
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previou... (U5768) posted 2 minutes ago
So you are saying that if Liverpool were the top wage spenders that even if they were outspent by 20 other English clubs they should be winning the league?!?
That's rubbish in all honesty, you force any club to make a profit on transfers and they are going to struggle to improve no matter how much they spend in wages....
Was that aimed at my comment SAF?
Hesienburg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h9cqdIDE1qdidq1.gif
Relax.
Dam it Melton, why do you have to be from the wrong side of the fence?! I live in northern Ireland and it's pretty much all United, Liverpool and to some extent arsenal in terms of support. But I know a few City fans over here and they're good mates. People like them and you make it a little bit harder to hate City! Stop making sense!!!
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 15 seconds ago
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
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You didn't even know he'd spent 20m per season which is lower than what Stoke spent in the same years.
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some serious clutching at straws going on here
did mourinho spend a lot of money at madrid? yes?
did he do better than barca? no - nowhere near
was he sacked? yes
simple
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posted on 20/10/13
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Celery (U17633)
posted 1 minute ago
Impending failure will be hard to stomach for Utd supporters who have only know success with Fergie.
Stings doesn't it. Everything is cyclical, it just happens to be your time.
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you wish
cream your panties all you want but even deep down you know this is a temporary and expected blip
i heard the same nonsense when cantona left, and ronaldo left etc etc..
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But, the difference is you always had Fergie. Now you dont. Not only that, you also don't have a top drawer manager, you have Moyes.
Think what you like but your current predicament is nothing like losing a top player. Strange that you think it is
posted on 20/10/13
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
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he had a bad season which he was rightly sacked for but 1 bad season does not make him a failure
saf has had bad seasons but doesnt make him a bad manager does it
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he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
one league win and one cup win is not good enough when he was brought in to compete with barca and given unlimited funds to do so.
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He won 3 trophies in 3 years and 3 consecutive CL semi finals you complete and utter twonk.
posted on 20/10/13
Jose won 2 trophies in 3 years. He beat barca on the way to the cup and comprehensively beat them in the league on the occasion he won it. I think he did a key good job in his first two years against a great team.
In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo
posted on 20/10/13
A points record equalled by villanova, the man who mourinho poked in the eye without any provocation.
It's not all moyes' fault that it's not gone to plan so far this season. Man united haven't didn't look that great last season but everyone else was considerably worse, just that fergie knew the players and how to get the best out of them/what makes them tick.
Also need to look at your midfield. For years united's game has been based on having quality wingers as well as having players such as scholes, keane, Robson etc to boss the CM. Now those players have obviously gone and the wingers aren't doing the business (don't know why nani never gets a run of games) hence the struggle
posted on 20/10/13
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
8 games, 8 games, its only been 8 games.
after the toughest set of fixtures we have ever had and with a new manager.
oh dear. you should work for the tabloids.
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You think United still have a chance for winning the title? Come on now.
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yes - and we definetely will finish in the top 4 if we dont win the title
but you know that anyways, your just trying to do a bit of not so well disguised wumming right? i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
were on to you
posted on 20/10/13
"You are better off getting your views on United from a Leeds fan or a Liverpool fan than Wayne&Robin as they hate us less."
Here's my opinion on Moyes so far.
For me, I think he has struggled so far in terms of getting the balance right between continuity of the way Ferguson used to do things and him doing things his way, and choosing the right moments for that. That is only natural though, to get that balance right is very very difficult.
Ultimately, if he tries to be Ferguson, then he will fail, he has to be himself. You will only really see that when he has had chance to mould the squad a bit more, so after the January window or even the start of next season.
In terms of the football and playing style you guys are playing, the reasons for that go far deeper than Moyes, your squad is a bit disjointed in terms of styles that suit individual players, which again will only really change once you bring a few more in.
It is a huge step up from managing Everton to managing United and the challenges he faces are completely different, both tactically and in dealing with the players. I would have been amazed if he had hit the ground running and got it right from day one though, very few coaches would have managed to do that.
Still a long time to go in the season and due to the tightness of the league this year, even three games can change the league table very quickly. I would wait until at least after January before making any full judgments. That's not to say people can't be critical, they can be, I think people need to think about what the underlying issues really are though, and they are not by any means all down to Moyes.
Personally, I am not his biggest fan, I simply don't like his style of play. Some of the reactions on sites like this have been ridiculous though, he really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip yet for me for how far some people are going with their critique.
posted on 20/10/13
he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
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12/13 Barca 29M Real 0
11/12 Barca 11M Real 41M
Wow, 1m more than Barca.
You know nothing.
posted on 20/10/13
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previou... (U5768)
posted 7 seconds ago
You are better off getting your views on United from a Leeds fan or a Liverpool fan than Wayne&Robin as they hate us less.
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posted on 20/10/13
"In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo"
Completely agree. I actually think he would have done better at Madrid if he didn't have Ronaldo, but that is for a different article and would take me a long time to explain my reasoning!
posted on 20/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
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he had a bad season which he was rightly sacked for but 1 bad season does not make him a failure
saf has had bad seasons but doesnt make him a bad manager does it
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he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
one league win and one cup win is not good enough when he was brought in to compete with barca and given unlimited funds to do so.
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He won 3 trophies in 3 years and 3 consecutive CL semi finals you complete and utter twonk.
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he won one trophy of note, and nothing in europe. domestic cups who takes those seriously.
i thought it wouldn't take long for you to come out and defend his failure at madrid.
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
truth hurts W&R - mourinho is really not all that special. im glad morons like you are not working for man utd.
mourinho got his ass handed to him by barca on numerous occasions and ended up getting the sack.
posted on 20/10/13
Heisenberg
You posted this
your wages + transfer arguement is a load of rubbish..
You need to do a bit of research lad there is a direct correlation between wages and league position
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/12/soccernomics-was-wrong-why-transfer-expenditures-matter/
http://soccermetrica.blogspot.ie/2013/03/premier-league-wage-vs-position-table.html
There is just 2 examples, so instead of shooting people down how about you actually do some research on the point being made
It's not simply a matter of buying players, we can all see that while that will certainly improve a league position it does not equate to league position but the correlation between wages and league position is clearly evident.
posted on 20/10/13
i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
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posted on 20/10/13
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 1 minute ago
he was a failure end of. the amount of money he spent and still got humiliated by barca.
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12/13 Barca 29M Real 0
11/12 Barca 11M Real 41M
Wow, 1m more than Barca.
You know nothing.
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And what do you know? did you get that from wikipedia?
also - what about the expensive squad he already had. the 80m ronaldo?
admit it - he was a failure. but then you are a chelsea fan so you have to defend him.
posted on 20/10/13
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
"In his final year, he fell out with half of the dressing room, lost the league title, lost in the champions league to dortmund and lost to his derby rivals in the cup final. That season was an unmitigated disaster, something the man himself readily admits.
But over the 3 years, he did a good job imo"
Completely agree. I actually think he would have done better at Madrid if he didn't have Ronaldo, but that is for a different article and would take me a long time to explain my reasoning!
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Can you please create this article. I would actually like to debate this. Think you may be right too.
posted on 20/10/13
So you are saying that if Liverpool were the top wage spenders that even if they were outspent by 20 other English clubs they should be winning the league?!?
That's rubbish in all honesty, you force any club to make a profit on transfers and they are going to struggle to improve no matter how much they spend in wages....
posted on 20/10/13
Fair comment as usual Melton, I asked for Leeds and Liverpool fans though!
posted on 20/10/13
I know you did sat, just thought a bit of sanity was needed
posted on 20/10/13
yes - and we definetely will finish in the top 4 if we dont win the title
but you know that anyways, your just trying to do a bit of not so well disguised wumming right? i've seen your comments on the match threads and showing up only when utd are losing with some digs.
were on to you
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It's not wumming, it's realism. The teams between you and the top of the league all seem to be doing better than last season. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Spurs, even Everton, all look like their squads are better than they were last season. On the contrast, United are having their worst start to a season for a while, and not playing particularly well either. Coupled with this they no longer have Ferguson.
I think it's too much to already ask for Moyes to get things right from now on and play consistently well and win matches, while all the improved teams allow them to overtake them.
posted on 20/10/13
*saf
posted on 20/10/13
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
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You didn't even know he'd spent 20m per season which is lower than what Stoke spent in the same years.
posted on 20/10/13
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Heisenberg
You posted this
your wages + transfer arguement is a load of rubbish..
You need to do a bit of research lad there is a direct correlation between wages and league position
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/12/soccernomics-was-wrong-why-transfer-expenditures-matter/
http://soccermetrica.blogspot.ie/2013/03/premier-league-wage-vs-position-table.html
There is just 2 examples, so instead of shooting people down how about you actually do some research on the point being made
It's not simply a matter of buying players, we can all see that while that will certainly improve a league position it does not equate to league position but the correlation between wages and league position is clearly evident.
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wow a scouser supporting a fellow wum in south london manc.
those two articles from sites nobody here has heard of is supposed to convince me that moyes is a poor manager and did an average job at everton?
maybe you should be a bit less bitter and try to present a more convincing arguement.
also SLM has not considered net spend - just using cash spent and wages is flawed.
teams have outspent united and yet we still win the league and get accused of buying the league. you can't have it both ways.
posted on 20/10/13
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previou... (U5768) posted 2 minutes ago
So you are saying that if Liverpool were the top wage spenders that even if they were outspent by 20 other English clubs they should be winning the league?!?
That's rubbish in all honesty, you force any club to make a profit on transfers and they are going to struggle to improve no matter how much they spend in wages....
Was that aimed at my comment SAF?
posted on 20/10/13
Hesienburg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h9cqdIDE1qdidq1.gif
Relax.
posted on 20/10/13
Dam it Melton, why do you have to be from the wrong side of the fence?! I live in northern Ireland and it's pretty much all United, Liverpool and to some extent arsenal in terms of support. But I know a few City fans over here and they're good mates. People like them and you make it a little bit harder to hate City! Stop making sense!!!
posted on 20/10/13
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 15 seconds ago
considering the amount of cash he spent and the players he had he failed.
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You didn't even know he'd spent 20m per season which is lower than what Stoke spent in the same years.
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some serious clutching at straws going on here
did mourinho spend a lot of money at madrid? yes?
did he do better than barca? no - nowhere near
was he sacked? yes
simple
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