fergie's words
"when the club did really well in refusing to sell him to chelsea, HE REALISED, his only job was manchester united"
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Means nothing. All he said was the club did well not to sell him to Chelsea
Jose said he was waiting for the player to start this to make up his mind. Rooney had nothing to make up his mind about. Chelsea never made a 3rd bid
Roo did nothing all Summer to suggest he was trying to force a move to Chelsea. Moyes stated categorically he was fully focused from day 1 and also said the press were getting it very very wrong
Roo has now confirmed it was the change in the coaching staff that has given him a new lease of life and that he loves working under Moyes.
It blatantly obvious to me Roo wanted out because he and Fergie's relationship broke down and that all changed when Moyes came in and for me, he was simply sucking it and seeing how it panned out and how the fans reacted. He was clearly very angry with what Fergie did because he knows hw did it for one reason only. To be vindictive. Like he always is with players he falls out with
If you look at everything Fergie actually says, he is not only backtrcking a little (as Roo confirmed) but he contradicts himself and says some odd things to boot.
He claimed he played him out of position because he wasn;t playing well?!??!?!?!?!I mean wtf? He's not playing well, his fitness wasn't where it needed to be so I played him in midfield? I mean seriously?
he also contradicted himself when he first announced he wanted out stating quite clearly that Rooney wanted time to think things through. Something that continues to be ignored by the anti-Rooney gang
This change from 'asking for a transfer' to 'wanting away' is the biggie for me. And seemingly Rooney too
One final thing. Quit the 'gramps' and old man remarks. I don't have grandchildren and I'm 48 not 88 you patronising
If you cant take any insults then dont dish it out in the first place. How about we try that first eh?
and what's with the essay you've just written? Didnt you complain about the length of my posts you hypocritical ?
comment by Mæstro (U8867) posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
he didnt put it in writing though! so he didnt lose any money!
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Although this might be true, I find it hard to believe.
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Because it's BS
Roo earns a mill every sis weeks and will continue to earn that much probably for at least another 5 or 6 years. I doubt he would define his future career because of
300 weeks and say 160k a week (if not more to come) = 48 million and that doesn;t even include the millions and millions he will earn from his image rights and advertising etc
If Roo was money motivated, like when paeple tried to blame 2010 on money (which has now also pretty much been proved wrong) he would have been a City player for the last 3 years.
Ignore any points that might just back up what I say then MrC
Well done you
Wanna know why I stick up for Roo aside from the fact he's a top top player?
Because the press write so much bollox about him. The way the press treated Gazza was utterly horrendous and they try to do the same with Roo
They wrote so much bollox this Summer, most of them can't remember what they wrote given the contradictions that followed. The press started the story with the fact that Roo had actually handed in an official transfer request. When it became apparent he hadn't, they went on to say he would be handing one in and named the week he would do it. He still didn't. Because, for me, he now looked happy under Moyes. And Moyes said from day 1 he was.
The other week I made a comment about the fact that now Roo was back happy and playing well, the press will need something else to make up to discredit him and predicted it would be his hopefuly new contract negotiations
I laughed when 24 hours after I said it, Goal.co, reported he was refusing to sign a new deal (whilst he was away on England duty)
The press are scvm. The way they hacked Gazza's phone and revealed stuff he had only told his own family in their papers causing Gazza to think his family were betraying him for money, causing him to go back to drink and falling out with them for 6 months, was utterly despicable
They were still there though taking pictures of what they hd caused.
Roo is basically saying 'Fek you' to the press
Yes we all know the press is sc'um. No one thinks anything different
We both know Rooney didnt hand in a WRITTEN TRANSFER REQUEST
You think its because he didnt want to leave or was confused at the time
I think its because he didnt want to lose any money.
Fergie said the same too.
You said yourself didnt you that some sort of building work on Rooney's house had been stopped and that it had only just recommenced a little while ago
Could it be he was setting up for a move down south? and when Utd said no to selling him to Chelsea, he accepted his fate and got on with things?
Look at who his agent is, how can you say they're not money motivated. Of course they are.
Rooney camp played it smart this time around imo
Look at how naive they were in 2010 when he handed a transfer request in. They went in and got shown up
This time around they played it smart and made sure Rooney kept quiet all summer long in front of the media. That confused and angry story leaked to the press presumably by his agent. Its all part of the game they were playing. No one from Utd leaked that story. Rooney's camp did.
Look you got your version, Ive got my own.
What you need to do is to stop bullying people into believing your version and stop treating posters like rubbish if they think differently to you about Rooney. That's the only reason why im debating this with you. I got no bitterness in me about Rooney not coming to Chelsea. He's a top player and glad he stayed in the PL but dont bulldoze your version onto everyone and keep telling everyone you're right and everyone is wrong.
We both know Rooney didnt hand in a WRITTEN TRANSFER REQUEST
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The press originally said he did
The best bit of media deflection was when Roo's camp said he was angry and confused with the press's interpretation of Moyes' RVP comments
The changed it to angry and confused with Moyes within 10 minutes of the story coming out
All it took was one source to say it and the rest could then quote it
The twisting they did with that story was pathetic
And don't get me started again on the rubbish they wrote about Rooney not being happy playing th 10 role behind RVP claiming it was RVP being preferred up fron to him as the main reason he wanted out
I seriously could go on and on about the rubbish they printed this Summer which is why I will never believe he was trying to force a move to Chelsea all Summer just because the press said so. If Roo had been trying to force the move, which his body language and actions suggested otherwise, then I'd be surprised Fergie wasn't tempted to put it in his book.
Moyes said he's been fit, focused, settled and happy. I'll believe Moyes over the Sun personally
I think its because he didnt want to lose any money.
Fergie said the same too.
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I keep hearing that Fergie said this
Can you provide a link to it?
Its one on my previous posts. The video youtube link. 44 mins in.
Yes the press said he did hand a transfer request in and Fergie said he didnt and Rooney thanked him for confirming this
Fergie did REPEAT his claim of Rooney wanting out VERBALLY though and that his agent phoned up David Gill to repeat the request. So no written request to leave, just a verbal one.
You said yourself didnt you that some sort of building work on Rooney's house had been stopped and that it had only just recommenced a little while ago
Could it be he was setting up for a move down south? and when Utd said no to selling him to Chelsea, he accepted his fate and got on with things?
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More likely he was sucking and seeing how it panned out with Moyes. How the fans would react. etc etc. All bog standard stuff
I'm simply not buying it that he didn;t leave United because of loyalty bonuses. I'm sure Abramovic would have dealt with that by emptying the pockets of the pair of jeans he was wearing
I know he did have his eye on another house in Cheshire by the way that had been pending for 12 months
I do know that it would have taken an insane bid for United to let Rooney go to Chelsea, even if he did want to and Chelsea's bids were a country mile away from the figure
Looking at it now, it's pretty laughable to think Chelsea could have got Wayne Rooney for 25-30m quid
MrC
I mean the bit where Fergie confirms it was because of the loyalty bonus that he never put in a transfer request?
Looking at it now, it's pretty laughable to think Chelsea could have got Wayne Rooney for 25-30m quid
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Yes agreed
Its in that video macca. He says it to the inteviewer? Did you check it?
MrC
To put it simply. I'm not saying he didn't at some stage want to go to Chelsea. I'm saying I'm not prepared to take the press's word for it and nothing Rooney did this Summer suggests to me the press were right, particularly with all the rubbish they wrote. (The Rooney being forced to train with the reserves was yet another classic load of bollox)
Even if he did want to go at some stage, nobody knows whatsoever whether he was forced to stay, or Rooney changed his mind after working with Moyes so the people saying he was forced to stay are just guessing plain and simple
One last thing. If Fergie had stayed, things would have been very different for sure. I personally don't think he would still be here.
Right, I'm off to Spain tomorrow and one thing I will not be talking about over there is Wayne fekkin Rooney (until his hattrick on saturday)
That's what I think. He changed his mind on the basis that United were not going to sell him and he started focusing on Utd then. Fergie pretty much said the same thing that once Wayne knew Utd werent gna sell, his focus become Man Utd so that's what I think happened. Not trying to get one over you or anything. Enjoy your holiday
Mrc
I have heared that intervoew several times and just checked the bit you said and unless I'm deaf, he makes no mention of loyalty bonuses
signing on fee macca, you lose your signing on fee if you hand a written request in.
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 4 minutes ago
That's what I think. He changed his mind on the basis that United were not going to sell him and he started focusing on Utd then. Fergie pretty much said the same thing that once Wayne knew Utd werent gna sell, his focus become Man Utd so that's what I think happened.
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No he didn't
That was the way it was interpreted
Fergie simply said the club did well not selling him to Chelsea and that Rooney had realised his job was with United
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
For all we know, Moyes could have convinced him to change his mind the first time he met him that day at Carrington and Roo was simply waiting to see the fans reaction. I know if it was me, it's certainly something that would have been on my mind
No one knows if he was forced to stay against his will or whether Moyes had already convinced him to stay anyway so, until we know for sure, I'll counter argue anyone who states it as factual.
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
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Ok none of us know. Not me or you.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/223268
MrC
Have a read of that and the responses I got to suggesting such a terrible thing
My comments all Summer have been possibilities (and rubbishing the press) and the posters stating things as factual are the ones that are now calling me for stating things as factual
MU82 got filtered because of it
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 9 minutes ago
signing on fee macca, you lose your signing on fee if you hand a written request in
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No mention of a signing on fee either. I suggest you listen to it again or point me to the exact bit. I listened until he started to talk about Abramovic
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
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Ok none of us know. Not me or you.
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Correct
Macca
Here is where Sir Alex says Rooney didn't wanna lose his signing on fees.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8985786/sir-alex-ferguson-blames-contract-issues-for-wayne-rooney-rows-in-autobiography
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posted on 24/10/13
fergie's words
"when the club did really well in refusing to sell him to chelsea, HE REALISED, his only job was manchester united"
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Means nothing. All he said was the club did well not to sell him to Chelsea
Jose said he was waiting for the player to start this to make up his mind. Rooney had nothing to make up his mind about. Chelsea never made a 3rd bid
Roo did nothing all Summer to suggest he was trying to force a move to Chelsea. Moyes stated categorically he was fully focused from day 1 and also said the press were getting it very very wrong
Roo has now confirmed it was the change in the coaching staff that has given him a new lease of life and that he loves working under Moyes.
It blatantly obvious to me Roo wanted out because he and Fergie's relationship broke down and that all changed when Moyes came in and for me, he was simply sucking it and seeing how it panned out and how the fans reacted. He was clearly very angry with what Fergie did because he knows hw did it for one reason only. To be vindictive. Like he always is with players he falls out with
If you look at everything Fergie actually says, he is not only backtrcking a little (as Roo confirmed) but he contradicts himself and says some odd things to boot.
He claimed he played him out of position because he wasn;t playing well?!??!?!?!?!I mean wtf? He's not playing well, his fitness wasn't where it needed to be so I played him in midfield? I mean seriously?
he also contradicted himself when he first announced he wanted out stating quite clearly that Rooney wanted time to think things through. Something that continues to be ignored by the anti-Rooney gang
This change from 'asking for a transfer' to 'wanting away' is the biggie for me. And seemingly Rooney too
One final thing. Quit the 'gramps' and old man remarks. I don't have grandchildren and I'm 48 not 88 you patronising
posted on 24/10/13
If you cant take any insults then dont dish it out in the first place. How about we try that first eh?
and what's with the essay you've just written? Didnt you complain about the length of my posts you hypocritical ?
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mæstro (U8867) posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
he didnt put it in writing though! so he didnt lose any money!
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Although this might be true, I find it hard to believe.
----------------------------------------
Because it's BS
Roo earns a mill every sis weeks and will continue to earn that much probably for at least another 5 or 6 years. I doubt he would define his future career because of
300 weeks and say 160k a week (if not more to come) = 48 million and that doesn;t even include the millions and millions he will earn from his image rights and advertising etc
If Roo was money motivated, like when paeple tried to blame 2010 on money (which has now also pretty much been proved wrong) he would have been a City player for the last 3 years.
posted on 24/10/13
Ignore any points that might just back up what I say then MrC
Well done you
Wanna know why I stick up for Roo aside from the fact he's a top top player?
Because the press write so much bollox about him. The way the press treated Gazza was utterly horrendous and they try to do the same with Roo
They wrote so much bollox this Summer, most of them can't remember what they wrote given the contradictions that followed. The press started the story with the fact that Roo had actually handed in an official transfer request. When it became apparent he hadn't, they went on to say he would be handing one in and named the week he would do it. He still didn't. Because, for me, he now looked happy under Moyes. And Moyes said from day 1 he was.
The other week I made a comment about the fact that now Roo was back happy and playing well, the press will need something else to make up to discredit him and predicted it would be his hopefuly new contract negotiations
I laughed when 24 hours after I said it, Goal.co, reported he was refusing to sign a new deal (whilst he was away on England duty)
The press are scvm. The way they hacked Gazza's phone and revealed stuff he had only told his own family in their papers causing Gazza to think his family were betraying him for money, causing him to go back to drink and falling out with them for 6 months, was utterly despicable
They were still there though taking pictures of what they hd caused.
Roo is basically saying 'Fek you' to the press
posted on 24/10/13
Yes we all know the press is sc'um. No one thinks anything different
We both know Rooney didnt hand in a WRITTEN TRANSFER REQUEST
You think its because he didnt want to leave or was confused at the time
I think its because he didnt want to lose any money.
Fergie said the same too.
You said yourself didnt you that some sort of building work on Rooney's house had been stopped and that it had only just recommenced a little while ago
Could it be he was setting up for a move down south? and when Utd said no to selling him to Chelsea, he accepted his fate and got on with things?
Look at who his agent is, how can you say they're not money motivated. Of course they are.
Rooney camp played it smart this time around imo
Look at how naive they were in 2010 when he handed a transfer request in. They went in and got shown up
This time around they played it smart and made sure Rooney kept quiet all summer long in front of the media. That confused and angry story leaked to the press presumably by his agent. Its all part of the game they were playing. No one from Utd leaked that story. Rooney's camp did.
posted on 24/10/13
Look you got your version, Ive got my own.
What you need to do is to stop bullying people into believing your version and stop treating posters like rubbish if they think differently to you about Rooney. That's the only reason why im debating this with you. I got no bitterness in me about Rooney not coming to Chelsea. He's a top player and glad he stayed in the PL but dont bulldoze your version onto everyone and keep telling everyone you're right and everyone is wrong.
posted on 24/10/13
We both know Rooney didnt hand in a WRITTEN TRANSFER REQUEST
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The press originally said he did
The best bit of media deflection was when Roo's camp said he was angry and confused with the press's interpretation of Moyes' RVP comments
The changed it to angry and confused with Moyes within 10 minutes of the story coming out
All it took was one source to say it and the rest could then quote it
The twisting they did with that story was pathetic
And don't get me started again on the rubbish they wrote about Rooney not being happy playing th 10 role behind RVP claiming it was RVP being preferred up fron to him as the main reason he wanted out
I seriously could go on and on about the rubbish they printed this Summer which is why I will never believe he was trying to force a move to Chelsea all Summer just because the press said so. If Roo had been trying to force the move, which his body language and actions suggested otherwise, then I'd be surprised Fergie wasn't tempted to put it in his book.
Moyes said he's been fit, focused, settled and happy. I'll believe Moyes over the Sun personally
posted on 24/10/13
I think its because he didnt want to lose any money.
Fergie said the same too.
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I keep hearing that Fergie said this
Can you provide a link to it?
posted on 24/10/13
Its one on my previous posts. The video youtube link. 44 mins in.
Yes the press said he did hand a transfer request in and Fergie said he didnt and Rooney thanked him for confirming this
Fergie did REPEAT his claim of Rooney wanting out VERBALLY though and that his agent phoned up David Gill to repeat the request. So no written request to leave, just a verbal one.
posted on 24/10/13
You said yourself didnt you that some sort of building work on Rooney's house had been stopped and that it had only just recommenced a little while ago
Could it be he was setting up for a move down south? and when Utd said no to selling him to Chelsea, he accepted his fate and got on with things?
------------------
More likely he was sucking and seeing how it panned out with Moyes. How the fans would react. etc etc. All bog standard stuff
I'm simply not buying it that he didn;t leave United because of loyalty bonuses. I'm sure Abramovic would have dealt with that by emptying the pockets of the pair of jeans he was wearing
I know he did have his eye on another house in Cheshire by the way that had been pending for 12 months
I do know that it would have taken an insane bid for United to let Rooney go to Chelsea, even if he did want to and Chelsea's bids were a country mile away from the figure
Looking at it now, it's pretty laughable to think Chelsea could have got Wayne Rooney for 25-30m quid
posted on 24/10/13
MrC
I mean the bit where Fergie confirms it was because of the loyalty bonus that he never put in a transfer request?
posted on 24/10/13
Looking at it now, it's pretty laughable to think Chelsea could have got Wayne Rooney for 25-30m quid
______
Yes agreed
posted on 24/10/13
Its in that video macca. He says it to the inteviewer? Did you check it?
posted on 24/10/13
MrC
To put it simply. I'm not saying he didn't at some stage want to go to Chelsea. I'm saying I'm not prepared to take the press's word for it and nothing Rooney did this Summer suggests to me the press were right, particularly with all the rubbish they wrote. (The Rooney being forced to train with the reserves was yet another classic load of bollox)
Even if he did want to go at some stage, nobody knows whatsoever whether he was forced to stay, or Rooney changed his mind after working with Moyes so the people saying he was forced to stay are just guessing plain and simple
One last thing. If Fergie had stayed, things would have been very different for sure. I personally don't think he would still be here.
Right, I'm off to Spain tomorrow and one thing I will not be talking about over there is Wayne fekkin Rooney (until his hattrick on saturday)
posted on 24/10/13
That's what I think. He changed his mind on the basis that United were not going to sell him and he started focusing on Utd then. Fergie pretty much said the same thing that once Wayne knew Utd werent gna sell, his focus become Man Utd so that's what I think happened. Not trying to get one over you or anything. Enjoy your holiday
posted on 24/10/13
Mrc
I have heared that intervoew several times and just checked the bit you said and unless I'm deaf, he makes no mention of loyalty bonuses
posted on 24/10/13
signing on fee macca, you lose your signing on fee if you hand a written request in.
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 4 minutes ago
That's what I think. He changed his mind on the basis that United were not going to sell him and he started focusing on Utd then. Fergie pretty much said the same thing that once Wayne knew Utd werent gna sell, his focus become Man Utd so that's what I think happened.
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No he didn't
That was the way it was interpreted
Fergie simply said the club did well not selling him to Chelsea and that Rooney had realised his job was with United
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
For all we know, Moyes could have convinced him to change his mind the first time he met him that day at Carrington and Roo was simply waiting to see the fans reaction. I know if it was me, it's certainly something that would have been on my mind
No one knows if he was forced to stay against his will or whether Moyes had already convinced him to stay anyway so, until we know for sure, I'll counter argue anyone who states it as factual.
posted on 24/10/13
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
_____
Ok none of us know. Not me or you.
posted on 24/10/13
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/223268
MrC
Have a read of that and the responses I got to suggesting such a terrible thing
My comments all Summer have been possibilities (and rubbishing the press) and the posters stating things as factual are the ones that are now calling me for stating things as factual
MU82 got filtered because of it
posted on 24/10/13
OK il read it
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 9 minutes ago
signing on fee macca, you lose your signing on fee if you hand a written request in
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No mention of a signing on fee either. I suggest you listen to it again or point me to the exact bit. I listened until he started to talk about Abramovic
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry but you cannot say that Roo only changed his mind because the club wouldn't sell him, That is completely an unknown
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Ok none of us know. Not me or you.
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Correct
posted on 24/10/13
Macca
Here is where Sir Alex says Rooney didn't wanna lose his signing on fees.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8985786/sir-alex-ferguson-blames-contract-issues-for-wayne-rooney-rows-in-autobiography
posted on 24/10/13
Cheers Rob
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