It was one of the interviews Macca, that fergie did this week. I was pretty sure it was the one I posted.
He did an interview with Jon Snow too. Might have been in that but he definitely said it.
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments and when I saw this interview a couple of days ago I chose not to post it as an article!
Imagine me not doing that 2 months ago?
"This is the nub of it: in the regulations, in your contract, if you write a letter and ask away or say you have asked away, you lose all your signing-on fees.
"He has never admitted that and never put in a written transfer request, which is what he has been sore at."
Asked if he was clear that Rooney had made a verbal request to leave the club, Ferguson said: "Yes, that's right."
He added: "My memory is he asked away because, he said, he was not going to play in his proper position. I can understand that.
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That's just Fergie giving an opinion as to why Rooney was annoyed that Fergie stated he put in a request and does nothing to suggest that Roo didn;t join Chelsea because of loyalty bonuses
There is nothing factual there whatsoever aside from the fact he said he wanted away because he wasn;t playing in his proper position.
There's nothing that we didn't all already know. That Fergie initially exagerated the situation, Roo is happy it's now been clarified (Loyalty bonuses don't come into it now and he clearly is still happy its been clarified) and that he wanted out because he didn't want to play out of his attacking position
I simply fail to see where that says Roo didn;t join Chelsea because he would have to forego loyalty bonuses. It simply doesn't say that
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808) posted 6 minutes ago
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments
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Nobody's forcing you to join in Robb
If a particular debate bores you, then pass over it.
comment by UnitedRedMacca-The Original Rooney Fanboy (U2024)
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comment by Robb Marmite (U9808) posted 6 minutes ago
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments
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Nobody's forcing you to join in Robb
If a particular debate bores you, then pass over it.
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You're missing the point! I'm not slating you or anyone. I thought you'd be bored of them too?
(Loyalty bonuses don't come into it now and he clearly is still happy its been clarified)
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How do you know this as fact?
Why are you deciding what's fact and what's not fact
and what do you mean what fergie saying isnt fact, its coming out of his mouth that, that was the reason he didnt hand a request in like last time.
Have a word with yourself.
im giving you exactly what fergie has said.
Why are you dismissing it completely "Oh its just fergie's opinion"
Why are fergie's words not important in all of this?
Whyy do you keep bringing up what moyes said about rooney being happy
I could easily say, oh that's just moyes's opinion
do you see how hypocritical you are being.
You are basically trying to push what moyes's has said about rooney being happy because it fits in with your story and labelling fergie's words which he has repeated as just an opinion
lets just forget this
you keep saying we all dont know the ins and outs of this situation but then you bring out some moyes quote from 2 months back about rooney smiling at him in training to prove rooney wanted to stay at utd after all.
do you see how hypocritical you are being.
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Nope
I'm being totally consistant and have been
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but then you bring out some moyes quote from 2 months back about rooney smiling at him in training to prove rooney wanted to stay at utd after all.
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No, I haven't used anyhting to prove anything
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua. God knows how many more times I'm gonna have to state that before it enters your head. That link I posted I though might have helped. Clearly not.
You have a word with yourself. That comment from Fergie had nothing to do with why Roo ddin;t go to Chelsea. It was his opinion as to why Roo wanted it clarified. Which may be true considering he may be moved on in the future
For now though, it's irrlevent because he is happy again at United (He stated that categorically last night) so surely, the fact he is still happy for it to be clarified nut have nothing whatsoever to do with loyalty bonuses? The transfer window is shut for starters
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua.
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Pot calling the kettle black here
You really dont read what you write
You are the one who states things as factual and then when challenged you try and backtrack and say it may have been a possibility but initially you come in all guns blazing tell us the press have got this this and this wrong, rooney has said this this and this and moyes has said this this this,
you even said last night, im wrong and you're right so quit all the rubbish about you being open to other intepretations about what happened because you havent.
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 1 minute ago
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua.
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Pot calling the kettle black here
You really dont read what you write
You are the one who states things as factual
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I take it you didn't read that article I asked you too
I do not state anything as factual. I counter argue those that do.
Please feel free to trawl my history about Rooney and you will see, I only ever give an opinion,
Go check out what MU82 said about Rooney's mindset on that link I gave you. I tried to reason with him that his mindset might be fine and he completely refused to agree and stated as factual that his mind wasn;t right.
He was proved wrong. I gave an opinion. He stated it as fact. Go read it. It's there in written English
There was one time I said I was 99% sure wayne was never gonna go to Chelsea. I have since accepted that 99% was too high a percentage. It was based on something stretford said and the reason I put 99% instead of 100 is because Stretford. of course, could have lied.
My mate didn't think so though.
Like I said, I have provided evidence to you that I give opinion and one guy who slated my saying that I was always claiming things as fact when he was only giving opinion has been filtered.
Now
You accuse me of always stating things as factual? Prove it
You don't just give an opinion
Do you really think you're some sort of intelligent reasonable poster who is accepting of other opinions? You're far from it. Far from it. You're very petulant, petty and hypocritical. I've seen how you talk to posters who agree with you and disagree with you.
You been bringing up the moyes quote which said Rooney is happy at Utd and training well a lot and have used to show Rooney doesn't want to leave. Fair enough.
When someone tries to bring in what fergie said you come out with its exaggeration on fergies part, Rooney didn't say he wanted to leave. He wanted tone to think
What moyes says is gospel to you and what fergie says isn't. That's what I mean.
initially you come in all guns blazing tell us the press have got this this and this wrong
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The press have so far been shown to have got loads wrong
At one stage, when MU82 was stating that Roo had been forced to train with the reserves, i put in capital letters STOP READING NEWSPAPERS!!!
I'll slate any paper that claims things when they have no direct quotes and over the Summer, on several occasions, I showed how they twist their stories to sensationalise Roo in a bad way, like they did Gazza when it suited them
Rooney is a United legend with over 200 goals for our club. If someone writes chit about him, I'll defend him, like ny other United player
Might come across like I defend Roo alot but the reason for that should be pretty clear. He gets it in the neck far more than any other of our players because Rooney sells newspapers.
I've spent the last few years on boards like this defending United players to the hilt when they are getting undue, over the top critisism like Carrick Clevs jones Valencia Young etc
I pulled a United fan up the other week for suggesting he would drive a current United player to another club himself. It's unucessary just because a player is showing a dip in form.
Same goes for Roo. He gets the benefit of doubt from me. I think he may have decided to stay becuae the reason for him wanting to leave retired
Disclaimer (Thats just an opinion)
You been bringing up the moyes quote which said Rooney is happy at Utd and training well a lot and have used to show Rooney doesn't want to leave. Fair enough.
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Suggested it as a possibility
Jesus wept how many more times
As for what you think of me. Firrstly take a look in the mirror. Secondly, don't confuse me with someone who gives a chit what you think
What have you got roon for his birthday macca? Did you bake him a cake
What moyes says is gospel to you and what fergie says isn't.
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I thought Fergie exagerated. He did
I thought he was being vindictive to Roo because that's what he does to players he falls out with. It isn't a secret. Everyone knows there's only ever one winner when he has a fallout with someone
Moyes has said from day 1 that Roo was focused on his football and training well. Everything Moyes has said has come to fruition and everything the press said hasn't. Moyes told the press they were getting it all wrong about Rooney but they wouldn't listen
What exactly has Rooney done to suggest Moyes was lying? Please, I'm keen to hear it
I've given plenty of things the press reported that they got wrong
comment by Mancblueloz (U6305) posted 1 minute ago
What have you got roon for his birthday macca? Did you bake him a cake
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He better fekkin get me on for all the chit I've taken defending him
Loz
I think MrC just had a strop
He suggested we stop name calling and then a few posts later called me a petulant hypocrite and petty too
What exactly has Rooney done to suggest Moyes was lying? Please, I'm keen to hear it
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Stayed silent all summer long regarding what Fergie said at the end of the window and the ensuing transfer saga
Tell me who benefits from Rooney staying silent all summer long? Which party benefits from what went on this summer? Do you seriously think the club wanted the summer to be be all about Rooney?
Of course Moyes will come out and praise Rooney to the hilt. He wants him to stay ffs. He's always praising him. He wants to keep him happy. Look how he much he praises Rooney in interviews. My belief is he has convinced Rooney to stay atleast for this season.
No I didnt suggest we stop name calling
You started it on this thread right at the start, Read back if you want then I dished some back and you started crying as per usual.
Gramps we can go at this all day long, I got enough ammo to carry this on. That is unless you take the cowards way out and filter me like you did to other Utd fans who didnt accept your way of thinking.
Crying
You havent shown me any ammo yet. Just pigheaded statements that mean nothing
Show me some evidence of me being a hypocrite? I've been anything but and been consistent all Summer
Oh. I have only filtered W&R and MU82 because I don;t think one is even a United fan and just trashes our players non stop and I filtered MU82 because I have no interest in anything he has to say.
I haven't filtered anyone else who disagrees with my suggestions.
Rob got filtered for an entirely different reason which has since been sorted out
Christ, I haven't even filtered you despite the pack of lies you keep stating about me
So come on, where's this ammo you keep saying you have?
Oh, on Roo staying silent
I gave my OPINION on that a couple of hours ago. Perhaps he was just waiting on seeing if his position at United was still tenable. Sucking and seeing what it would be like under Moyes, waiting on the crowd reaction etc. I'm not saying that that is the case, I'm saying its a possibility
I personally think he gave a clue last night too when he said again, I'm just concentrating on playing football and he isn't interested in the rest of the BS now the transfer request was clarified properly
he aslo said he has been given a new lease of life under the new coaching regime.
It really isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Fergie going simply changed the guys mind. I don't get why you think that's so unlikely
To be honest, I'm amazed you give this much chit about it at all. He isn't even one of your players
Hey Loz
Any chance of Sandra Bullock popping out of that cake?
ive told you my view on the situation. did you even read it
my view is that once rooney knew chelsea were not gna get him, he knuckled down. i dont see why that is hard to believe either.
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posted on 24/10/13
It was one of the interviews Macca, that fergie did this week. I was pretty sure it was the one I posted.
He did an interview with Jon Snow too. Might have been in that but he definitely said it.
posted on 24/10/13
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments and when I saw this interview a couple of days ago I chose not to post it as an article!
Imagine me not doing that 2 months ago?
posted on 24/10/13
"This is the nub of it: in the regulations, in your contract, if you write a letter and ask away or say you have asked away, you lose all your signing-on fees.
"He has never admitted that and never put in a written transfer request, which is what he has been sore at."
Asked if he was clear that Rooney had made a verbal request to leave the club, Ferguson said: "Yes, that's right."
He added: "My memory is he asked away because, he said, he was not going to play in his proper position. I can understand that.
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That's just Fergie giving an opinion as to why Rooney was annoyed that Fergie stated he put in a request and does nothing to suggest that Roo didn;t join Chelsea because of loyalty bonuses
There is nothing factual there whatsoever aside from the fact he said he wanted away because he wasn;t playing in his proper position.
There's nothing that we didn't all already know. That Fergie initially exagerated the situation, Roo is happy it's now been clarified (Loyalty bonuses don't come into it now and he clearly is still happy its been clarified) and that he wanted out because he didn't want to play out of his attacking position
I simply fail to see where that says Roo didn;t join Chelsea because he would have to forego loyalty bonuses. It simply doesn't say that
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808) posted 6 minutes ago
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments
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Nobody's forcing you to join in Robb
If a particular debate bores you, then pass over it.
posted on 24/10/13
comment by UnitedRedMacca-The Original Rooney Fanboy (U2024)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808) posted 6 minutes ago
Macca
I am genuinely bored of all the Rooney arguments
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Nobody's forcing you to join in Robb
If a particular debate bores you, then pass over it.
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You're missing the point! I'm not slating you or anyone. I thought you'd be bored of them too?
posted on 24/10/13
(Loyalty bonuses don't come into it now and he clearly is still happy its been clarified)
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How do you know this as fact?
Why are you deciding what's fact and what's not fact
and what do you mean what fergie saying isnt fact, its coming out of his mouth that, that was the reason he didnt hand a request in like last time.
Have a word with yourself.
im giving you exactly what fergie has said.
Why are you dismissing it completely "Oh its just fergie's opinion"
Why are fergie's words not important in all of this?
Whyy do you keep bringing up what moyes said about rooney being happy
I could easily say, oh that's just moyes's opinion
do you see how hypocritical you are being.
You are basically trying to push what moyes's has said about rooney being happy because it fits in with your story and labelling fergie's words which he has repeated as just an opinion
posted on 24/10/13
lets just forget this
you keep saying we all dont know the ins and outs of this situation but then you bring out some moyes quote from 2 months back about rooney smiling at him in training to prove rooney wanted to stay at utd after all.
posted on 24/10/13
do you see how hypocritical you are being.
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Nope
I'm being totally consistant and have been
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but then you bring out some moyes quote from 2 months back about rooney smiling at him in training to prove rooney wanted to stay at utd after all.
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No, I haven't used anyhting to prove anything
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua. God knows how many more times I'm gonna have to state that before it enters your head. That link I posted I though might have helped. Clearly not.
You have a word with yourself. That comment from Fergie had nothing to do with why Roo ddin;t go to Chelsea. It was his opinion as to why Roo wanted it clarified. Which may be true considering he may be moved on in the future
For now though, it's irrlevent because he is happy again at United (He stated that categorically last night) so surely, the fact he is still happy for it to be clarified nut have nothing whatsoever to do with loyalty bonuses? The transfer window is shut for starters
posted on 24/10/13
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua.
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Pot calling the kettle black here
You really dont read what you write
You are the one who states things as factual and then when challenged you try and backtrack and say it may have been a possibility but initially you come in all guns blazing tell us the press have got this this and this wrong, rooney has said this this and this and moyes has said this this this,
you even said last night, im wrong and you're right so quit all the rubbish about you being open to other intepretations about what happened because you havent.
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579) posted 1 minute ago
I simply suggested it as a possibility when counter arguing the people who state things as factua.
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Pot calling the kettle black here
You really dont read what you write
You are the one who states things as factual
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I take it you didn't read that article I asked you too
I do not state anything as factual. I counter argue those that do.
Please feel free to trawl my history about Rooney and you will see, I only ever give an opinion,
Go check out what MU82 said about Rooney's mindset on that link I gave you. I tried to reason with him that his mindset might be fine and he completely refused to agree and stated as factual that his mind wasn;t right.
He was proved wrong. I gave an opinion. He stated it as fact. Go read it. It's there in written English
There was one time I said I was 99% sure wayne was never gonna go to Chelsea. I have since accepted that 99% was too high a percentage. It was based on something stretford said and the reason I put 99% instead of 100 is because Stretford. of course, could have lied.
My mate didn't think so though.
Like I said, I have provided evidence to you that I give opinion and one guy who slated my saying that I was always claiming things as fact when he was only giving opinion has been filtered.
Now
You accuse me of always stating things as factual? Prove it
posted on 24/10/13
You don't just give an opinion
Do you really think you're some sort of intelligent reasonable poster who is accepting of other opinions? You're far from it. Far from it. You're very petulant, petty and hypocritical. I've seen how you talk to posters who agree with you and disagree with you.
You been bringing up the moyes quote which said Rooney is happy at Utd and training well a lot and have used to show Rooney doesn't want to leave. Fair enough.
When someone tries to bring in what fergie said you come out with its exaggeration on fergies part, Rooney didn't say he wanted to leave. He wanted tone to think
What moyes says is gospel to you and what fergie says isn't. That's what I mean.
posted on 24/10/13
Time to think *
posted on 24/10/13
initially you come in all guns blazing tell us the press have got this this and this wrong
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The press have so far been shown to have got loads wrong
At one stage, when MU82 was stating that Roo had been forced to train with the reserves, i put in capital letters STOP READING NEWSPAPERS!!!
I'll slate any paper that claims things when they have no direct quotes and over the Summer, on several occasions, I showed how they twist their stories to sensationalise Roo in a bad way, like they did Gazza when it suited them
Rooney is a United legend with over 200 goals for our club. If someone writes chit about him, I'll defend him, like ny other United player
Might come across like I defend Roo alot but the reason for that should be pretty clear. He gets it in the neck far more than any other of our players because Rooney sells newspapers.
I've spent the last few years on boards like this defending United players to the hilt when they are getting undue, over the top critisism like Carrick Clevs jones Valencia Young etc
I pulled a United fan up the other week for suggesting he would drive a current United player to another club himself. It's unucessary just because a player is showing a dip in form.
Same goes for Roo. He gets the benefit of doubt from me. I think he may have decided to stay becuae the reason for him wanting to leave retired
Disclaimer (Thats just an opinion)
posted on 24/10/13
You been bringing up the moyes quote which said Rooney is happy at Utd and training well a lot and have used to show Rooney doesn't want to leave. Fair enough.
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Suggested it as a possibility
Jesus wept how many more times
As for what you think of me. Firrstly take a look in the mirror. Secondly, don't confuse me with someone who gives a chit what you think
posted on 24/10/13
What have you got roon for his birthday macca? Did you bake him a cake
posted on 24/10/13
What moyes says is gospel to you and what fergie says isn't.
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I thought Fergie exagerated. He did
I thought he was being vindictive to Roo because that's what he does to players he falls out with. It isn't a secret. Everyone knows there's only ever one winner when he has a fallout with someone
Moyes has said from day 1 that Roo was focused on his football and training well. Everything Moyes has said has come to fruition and everything the press said hasn't. Moyes told the press they were getting it all wrong about Rooney but they wouldn't listen
What exactly has Rooney done to suggest Moyes was lying? Please, I'm keen to hear it
I've given plenty of things the press reported that they got wrong
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Mancblueloz (U6305) posted 1 minute ago
What have you got roon for his birthday macca? Did you bake him a cake
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He better fekkin get me on for all the chit I've taken defending him
posted on 24/10/13
Loz
I think MrC just had a strop
He suggested we stop name calling and then a few posts later called me a petulant hypocrite and petty too
posted on 24/10/13
What exactly has Rooney done to suggest Moyes was lying? Please, I'm keen to hear it
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Stayed silent all summer long regarding what Fergie said at the end of the window and the ensuing transfer saga
Tell me who benefits from Rooney staying silent all summer long? Which party benefits from what went on this summer? Do you seriously think the club wanted the summer to be be all about Rooney?
Of course Moyes will come out and praise Rooney to the hilt. He wants him to stay ffs. He's always praising him. He wants to keep him happy. Look how he much he praises Rooney in interviews. My belief is he has convinced Rooney to stay atleast for this season.
posted on 24/10/13
Cake for macca!
posted on 24/10/13
No I didnt suggest we stop name calling
You started it on this thread right at the start, Read back if you want then I dished some back and you started crying as per usual.
posted on 24/10/13
Gramps we can go at this all day long, I got enough ammo to carry this on. That is unless you take the cowards way out and filter me like you did to other Utd fans who didnt accept your way of thinking.
posted on 24/10/13
Crying
You havent shown me any ammo yet. Just pigheaded statements that mean nothing
Show me some evidence of me being a hypocrite? I've been anything but and been consistent all Summer
Oh. I have only filtered W&R and MU82 because I don;t think one is even a United fan and just trashes our players non stop and I filtered MU82 because I have no interest in anything he has to say.
I haven't filtered anyone else who disagrees with my suggestions.
Rob got filtered for an entirely different reason which has since been sorted out
Christ, I haven't even filtered you despite the pack of lies you keep stating about me
So come on, where's this ammo you keep saying you have?
Oh, on Roo staying silent
I gave my OPINION on that a couple of hours ago. Perhaps he was just waiting on seeing if his position at United was still tenable. Sucking and seeing what it would be like under Moyes, waiting on the crowd reaction etc. I'm not saying that that is the case, I'm saying its a possibility
I personally think he gave a clue last night too when he said again, I'm just concentrating on playing football and he isn't interested in the rest of the BS now the transfer request was clarified properly
he aslo said he has been given a new lease of life under the new coaching regime.
It really isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Fergie going simply changed the guys mind. I don't get why you think that's so unlikely
To be honest, I'm amazed you give this much chit about it at all. He isn't even one of your players
posted on 24/10/13
Hey Loz
Any chance of Sandra Bullock popping out of that cake?
posted on 24/10/13
ive told you my view on the situation. did you even read it
my view is that once rooney knew chelsea were not gna get him, he knuckled down. i dont see why that is hard to believe either.
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