comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 38 seconds ago
Metro

Are you one of those that don't think the heat of jet fuel is high enough to melt steel?
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I'm fully aware that the steel didn't have to melt. It only had to weaken. But weakened would have typically caused a partial asymmetrical collapse.

Instead, we had a near freefall collapse which means that the foundations of the building must have been taken out simultaneously.

WTC 7 is just not debunkable

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comment by ツ Captain 'Plastic' Subjectivity (U12048)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 45 seconds ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM
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Admin 1, that video has been taken out of all context. He wasn't referring to any secret societies or conspiracies in America, rather attacking (somewhat hypocritically) the Soviet Union for it's cold war tactics.
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I just spotted it on a facebook page today and thought i would throw that into the mix.

CIA S.O 's up to their usual cleaning up of anyone or anybody that stands in their way of world domination due to the underlying beliefs of Illuminati and everything evil that goes with it!

With you there 1982.

Your earlier comment was spot on.

People just want to believe in conspircies around every corner.

Was just watching JFK last week, stone makes a good case for it being an inside job but then he does seem to have an agenda where the U.S government is concerned, maybe with good reason, who knows.

As I said earlier on this thread, I have spoken myself to someone that was at Jodrell Bank monitoring Apollo 11 that day (something that happened across the world).

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That's nothing

Neil Armstrong's former plumber drinks in my local

Instead, we had a near freefall collapse which means that the foundations of the building must have been taken out simultaneously.

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Metro, the demolition expert.

Sorry but anyone who truly believes that the moon landings never happened are idiots. There is actual proof on the moon right now which is used to determine how far the moon is from earth and how fast it is moving away from earth.
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Yes, there are mirrors on the moon but that's not necessarily conclusive proof that man has been there is it. There is a spacecraft that has just left our solar system (17 light minutes away) which is beaming information back to us. It doesn't prove we've been there.

While I sort of agree with you VC, I'd also say that people wouldn't need to resort to conspiracy theories if there was more transparency. The NSA files and wikileaks' cablegate have shown us the tip of the iceberg.

People just want to believe in conspircies around every corner.
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So you're off the belief that all these huge stories are as they are presented

You do realise that there have been classified documents released over the years that have rubbished what were originally though to be official lines of events.

Metro

I agree there are some areas that are fishy, especially WTC 7. But conspiracy theorists always seem way too hard in convince people with the minimal amount of info while seemingly ignoring the majority of info that usually debunk any theory of theirs.

to be honest i always though that was strange with the WTC's.

The planes hit quite high up.
sure they may have caused structual damage further down, but for both buildings to collapse exactly the same way does seem slightly strange.

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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 23 seconds ago
Metro

I agree there are some areas that are fishy, especially WTC 7. But conspiracy theorists always seem way too hard in convince people with the minimal amount of info while seemingly ignoring the majority of info that usually debunk any theory of theirs.
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According to the commission report, it was fire that brought down WTC7.

I ask anyone to watch the collapse of WTC 7 and find this inferno that destroyed the steel support columns of a steel skyscraper.

comment by If United did beers... (U16990) posted 9 minutes ago
Sorry but anyone who truly believes that the moon landings never happened are idiots. There is actual proof on the moon right now which is used to determine how far the moon is from earth and how fast it is moving away from earth.

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i think it's the first landing that is being questioned. The one they think was faked just to win the race?

That doesn't sound very far.
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You're right RAP - 35 light hours

comment by Metro_1 (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
People just want to believe in conspircies around every corner.
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So you're off the belief that all these huge stories are as they are presented

You do realise that there have been classified documents released over the years that have rubbished what were originally though to be official lines of events.


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This happens all the time, recently the rescue of jessica lynch. Actual events vs official events were quite different.

If it was planned, and thus meant to look like an accidental death, why not make sure that there was the guys DNA on the padlock.
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I don't think whoever did it tried to make it look like accidental death. This accidental death was brought up by investigators who had nowhere else to go.

So you're off the belief that all these huge stories are as they are presented

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No, not in the slightest.

I just happen to be rational and do not see little green men round every corner.

Have I made myself clear on that with you now Metro?

I told you exactly the same thing on the 9/11 thread.

Just as your 'controlled explosion theory' was debunked, yet you still come out with the same bollox.

comment by Dunc the d'Ork - Proud co winner of the Ballon d'Ork 2013. (U11713)
posted 21 seconds ago
to be honest i always though that was strange with the WTC's.

The planes hit quite high up.
sure they may have caused structual damage further down, but for both buildings to collapse exactly the same way does seem slightly strange.
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Wasn't that to do with the design of the structures though?, they were built on a pretty tight budget and one of the consequences was the "floating floor" design where each floor was fixed to the inside of the steel structure, so when one slab/floor went, it dropped directly on to the one below and so on, gaining speed and momentum resuting on a complete collapse on the inside, I watched the documentary on the construction and all the experts involved agreed this is what happened.

What people forget about WTC 7 is that it had been hit with debris from the twin tower when collapsing. nearly 25 % of the building was reported to have been "scooped out" which caused a massive re-distribution of weight to the trusses. the fire crew and media anticipated the collapse of the building. when the east penthouse collapsed there was more redistribution of weight. not to mention the fact the building had fires.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

interesting read

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One of the most interesting tenants of building 7 was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor.

How curious that on the day before the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.

Where's there's smoke.....

Earl

That explanation just doesn't sit right with me.

No, instead there were tons of esxposives set throughout all the buildings and some government official pressed a row of red buttons in sequence bringing the whole lot down.

Quite how not one of the employees out of tens of thousands manged not to see tons of explosive, and miles and miles of det cord scattered about these buildings is irrelevant, and should not be considered.