Kukaku's. He could well be. Still a young lad and as people said, he will learn from playing with Barry, Ossie and Pienaar and Gibson when he returns
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
I doubt that will happen. They probably get on fine.
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Hmmm, the recent media talk between them paints a different story.
We've had this debate before Toor. You're entitled to your opinion but I'd challenge you to find an Evertonian who doesn't rate him. He is kind of in the same mould as Barry.
You don't realise what he does unless he's playing for you.
Gibson, like Barry is a player you dont rate....Until he plays for you.
Unlike Borini who Everyone knows is gash
Well if his choice was to sign crap defenders and get them defending like school boys, which inevitably got them relegated, then he hardly worked the miracles you're making out.
You're making too many excuses for his team's inability to defend.
This isn't to say that when he has to rebuild Everton's back four he'll fack that up, but there are certainly question marks over how he'll replace the players in a very good back four.
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
comment by Blackbeards Delight (U17561)
posted 1 minute ago
We've had this debate before Toor. You're entitled to your opinion but I'd challenge you to find an Evertonian who doesn't rate him. He is kind of in the same mould as Barry.
You don't realise what he does unless he's playing for you.
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I've always rated Barry. Still can't see how anyone rates Gibson. Not that he plays a lot to see, he's always fecking injured.
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
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I personally never said that. I just highlighted that it is something that can be done in stages. Distin first...Then maybe Jags....then the keeper...
I would say all three will need to be replaced within 5 years....hardly pressing. Maybe Moyes is looking to rebuild from the back at United, the defenders way?
When Moyes gets sacked from United we should offer him a scouting job. Defense issue resolved.
Yeah Ossie and pienaar are more immediate still think distin still has a year or two left in him
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well if his choice was to sign crap defenders and get them defending like school boys, which inevitably got them relegated, then he hardly worked the miracles you're making out.
You're making too many excuses for his team's inability to defend.
This isn't to say that when he has to rebuild Everton's back four he'll fack that up, but there are certainly question marks over how he'll replace the players in a very good back four.
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
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That's not what I said. Shall I say it again? OK then. He concentrated on the attack, so that he could play in the style he had them playing, attacking his way to points, instead of the more common approach of hoofing the ball up the pitch and kicking, pulling and punching your way to a draw, scraping out of the relegation zone which has been what most of the clubs down the bottom have tried over the years.
With limited funds, the best way to do that was to concentrate on attacking players. It did work for a season but was too much the following season having lost the likes of Moses, if memory serves correctly.
I don't think Martinez struggles with building a defence. He's done it at other clubs.
Fell, I know you're didn't. I was talking to TOOR.
I agree that he has that luxury of rebuilding in stages which should hopefully make the transition smooth.
I'm not sure what Moyes is up to at United.
Lescott would be the perfect replacement for Distin, for a couple of years.
Robles is held in high regard by Martinez and his staff. He wwould be the obvious replacement for Howard and hopefully by then as he gets older he will be a mature keeper. Does need games though.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Fell, I know you're didn't. I was talking to TOOR.
I agree that he has that luxury of rebuilding in stages which should hopefully make the transition smooth.
I'm not sure what Moyes is up to at United.
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It's difficult to put your stamp on a club which had a manager for twenty years. I think Moyes has done it excellently though.
Hopefully Joel will get a few FA cup games, would be criminal to drop Howard on current form
You said it was his choice that they couldn't defend. Hardly miracle working as you made out.
Plus if he was so great they'd be able to play good football and still defend. You don't have to play like Stoke to be able to defend well.
His Everton side are defending well as they've been built on solid defensive foundations for a number of years.
Whether Martinez can replicate that is what I'm saying will be an interesting test.
Personally I cannot say whether or not he has built good defences before as I wasn't regularly watching Swansea when he was there. I'm sure you were, though.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 32 seconds ago
You said it was his choice that they couldn't defend.
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I didn't.
comment by RespectedThere'sOnlyOneRedsWillian (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lescott would be the perfect replacement for Distin, for a couple of years.
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I would have him back. His partnership with Jags was awesome....wages may be an issue however.
Wigan actually defended well when Alcaraz was fit unfortunately for them, he was injured for most of the season they got relegated
TOOR, the point is that he was still responsible for that shocking defence. There's no two ways about that.
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Through choice. It enabled him to get in attacking players to try survive. It worked for a season but then was too much of a challenge the next season. He doesn't have that issue now.
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So he wasn't his choice? Yet it was through choice they couldn't defend.
But you didn't say that.
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To be fair though Darren. They may have been well drilled under Moyes but they play a different way these days with a new system.
If his tactics were flawed defensively it doesn't matter if you have the best defenders in the game.
His tactics are fine it's the calibre of player he has at his disposal/able to attract that's the difference to Wigan.
comment by Lukaku's Kit Kats (U9760)
posted 6 minutes ago
Hopefully Joel will get a few FA cup games, would be criminal to drop Howard on current form
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I feared the worst when he lined up with out the beard....
But I would not drop him unless injured. Joel will get games....will learn from Howard and get his chance. He is probably forcing his form from Howard.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
TOOR, the point is that he was still responsible for that shocking defence. There's no two ways about that.
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Through choice. It enabled him to get in attacking players to try survive. It worked for a season but then was too much of a challenge the next season. He doesn't have that issue now.
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So he wasn't his choice? Yet it was through choice they couldn't defend.
But you didn't say that.
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Shall I say it again? Jesus. I'm just copying and pasting this time as I couldn't be bothered trying to find another way to say it. Hopefully through repetition, you'll get it.
He concentrated on the attack, so that he could play in the style he had them playing, attacking his way to points, instead of the more common approach of hoofing the ball up the pitch and kicking, pulling and punching your way to a draw, scraping out of the relegation zone which has been what most of the clubs down the bottom have tried over the years.
With limited funds, the best way to do that was to concentrate on attacking players. It did work for a season but was too much the following season having lost the likes of Moses, if memory serves correctly.
To add to that, he used this approach when he got Swansea promoted from League One, playing a free-flowing game and not much concentration on defence. In fact they conceded a lot of goals that season but scored a crazy amount.
Some like to defend, like Moyes, churning out results. Some like to attack. Which is better? Who knows but certainly I have enjoyed Martinez' teams playing styles and tactical changes.
Ha arouna. On the way back from Manchester (Christmas markets wasn't at all good) I got a text from a mate about his shaved face. The first thing the missus said was oh no it's about time but he's been on top form with it.
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posted on 8/12/13
Kukaku's. He could well be. Still a young lad and as people said, he will learn from playing with Barry, Ossie and Pienaar and Gibson when he returns
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
I doubt that will happen. They probably get on fine.
==
Hmmm, the recent media talk between them paints a different story.
posted on 8/12/13
We've had this debate before Toor. You're entitled to your opinion but I'd challenge you to find an Evertonian who doesn't rate him. He is kind of in the same mould as Barry.
You don't realise what he does unless he's playing for you.
posted on 8/12/13
Gibson, like Barry is a player you dont rate....Until he plays for you.
Unlike Borini who Everyone knows is gash
posted on 8/12/13
Well if his choice was to sign crap defenders and get them defending like school boys, which inevitably got them relegated, then he hardly worked the miracles you're making out.
You're making too many excuses for his team's inability to defend.
This isn't to say that when he has to rebuild Everton's back four he'll fack that up, but there are certainly question marks over how he'll replace the players in a very good back four.
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Blackbeards Delight (U17561)
posted 1 minute ago
We've had this debate before Toor. You're entitled to your opinion but I'd challenge you to find an Evertonian who doesn't rate him. He is kind of in the same mould as Barry.
You don't realise what he does unless he's playing for you.
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I've always rated Barry. Still can't see how anyone rates Gibson. Not that he plays a lot to see, he's always fecking injured.
posted on 8/12/13
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
==
I personally never said that. I just highlighted that it is something that can be done in stages. Distin first...Then maybe Jags....then the keeper...
I would say all three will need to be replaced within 5 years....hardly pressing. Maybe Moyes is looking to rebuild from the back at United, the defenders way?
posted on 8/12/13
When Moyes gets sacked from United we should offer him a scouting job. Defense issue resolved.
posted on 8/12/13
Yeah Ossie and pienaar are more immediate still think distin still has a year or two left in him
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well if his choice was to sign crap defenders and get them defending like school boys, which inevitably got them relegated, then he hardly worked the miracles you're making out.
You're making too many excuses for his team's inability to defend.
This isn't to say that when he has to rebuild Everton's back four he'll fack that up, but there are certainly question marks over how he'll replace the players in a very good back four.
As I've said, even top managers find it hard to rebuild their back four, so making out like Martinez won't have any problems in doing it is a little silly, in my opinion.
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That's not what I said. Shall I say it again? OK then. He concentrated on the attack, so that he could play in the style he had them playing, attacking his way to points, instead of the more common approach of hoofing the ball up the pitch and kicking, pulling and punching your way to a draw, scraping out of the relegation zone which has been what most of the clubs down the bottom have tried over the years.
With limited funds, the best way to do that was to concentrate on attacking players. It did work for a season but was too much the following season having lost the likes of Moses, if memory serves correctly.
I don't think Martinez struggles with building a defence. He's done it at other clubs.
posted on 8/12/13
Fell, I know you're didn't. I was talking to TOOR.
I agree that he has that luxury of rebuilding in stages which should hopefully make the transition smooth.
I'm not sure what Moyes is up to at United.
posted on 8/12/13
Lescott would be the perfect replacement for Distin, for a couple of years.
posted on 8/12/13
Robles is held in high regard by Martinez and his staff. He wwould be the obvious replacement for Howard and hopefully by then as he gets older he will be a mature keeper. Does need games though.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Fell, I know you're didn't. I was talking to TOOR.
I agree that he has that luxury of rebuilding in stages which should hopefully make the transition smooth.
I'm not sure what Moyes is up to at United.
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It's difficult to put your stamp on a club which had a manager for twenty years. I think Moyes has done it excellently though.
posted on 8/12/13
Hopefully Joel will get a few FA cup games, would be criminal to drop Howard on current form
posted on 8/12/13
You said it was his choice that they couldn't defend. Hardly miracle working as you made out.
Plus if he was so great they'd be able to play good football and still defend. You don't have to play like Stoke to be able to defend well.
His Everton side are defending well as they've been built on solid defensive foundations for a number of years.
Whether Martinez can replicate that is what I'm saying will be an interesting test.
Personally I cannot say whether or not he has built good defences before as I wasn't regularly watching Swansea when he was there. I'm sure you were, though.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 32 seconds ago
You said it was his choice that they couldn't defend.
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I didn't.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by RespectedThere'sOnlyOneRedsWillian (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lescott would be the perfect replacement for Distin, for a couple of years.
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I would have him back. His partnership with Jags was awesome....wages may be an issue however.
posted on 8/12/13
Wigan actually defended well when Alcaraz was fit unfortunately for them, he was injured for most of the season they got relegated
posted on 8/12/13
TOOR, the point is that he was still responsible for that shocking defence. There's no two ways about that.
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Through choice. It enabled him to get in attacking players to try survive. It worked for a season but then was too much of a challenge the next season. He doesn't have that issue now.
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So he wasn't his choice? Yet it was through choice they couldn't defend.
But you didn't say that.
posted on 8/12/13
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posted on 8/12/13
To be fair though Darren. They may have been well drilled under Moyes but they play a different way these days with a new system.
If his tactics were flawed defensively it doesn't matter if you have the best defenders in the game.
His tactics are fine it's the calibre of player he has at his disposal/able to attract that's the difference to Wigan.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Lukaku's Kit Kats (U9760)
posted 6 minutes ago
Hopefully Joel will get a few FA cup games, would be criminal to drop Howard on current form
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I feared the worst when he lined up with out the beard....
But I would not drop him unless injured. Joel will get games....will learn from Howard and get his chance. He is probably forcing his form from Howard.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
TOOR, the point is that he was still responsible for that shocking defence. There's no two ways about that.
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Through choice. It enabled him to get in attacking players to try survive. It worked for a season but then was too much of a challenge the next season. He doesn't have that issue now.
----
So he wasn't his choice? Yet it was through choice they couldn't defend.
But you didn't say that.
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Shall I say it again? Jesus. I'm just copying and pasting this time as I couldn't be bothered trying to find another way to say it. Hopefully through repetition, you'll get it.
He concentrated on the attack, so that he could play in the style he had them playing, attacking his way to points, instead of the more common approach of hoofing the ball up the pitch and kicking, pulling and punching your way to a draw, scraping out of the relegation zone which has been what most of the clubs down the bottom have tried over the years.
With limited funds, the best way to do that was to concentrate on attacking players. It did work for a season but was too much the following season having lost the likes of Moses, if memory serves correctly.
To add to that, he used this approach when he got Swansea promoted from League One, playing a free-flowing game and not much concentration on defence. In fact they conceded a lot of goals that season but scored a crazy amount.
Some like to defend, like Moyes, churning out results. Some like to attack. Which is better? Who knows but certainly I have enjoyed Martinez' teams playing styles and tactical changes.
posted on 8/12/13
Ha arouna. On the way back from Manchester (Christmas markets wasn't at all good) I got a text from a mate about his shaved face. The first thing the missus said was oh no it's about time but he's been on top form with it.
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