There's one thing being loyal an trying to promote stability in the club but there's another thing turning a blind eye and being stubborn.
I'm not a fan of clubs that sack managers regularly but if Moyes isn't the man for the job, then he isn't the man for job. We can't be stubborn. In life you sometimes have to be ruthless.
Having said that, I don't believe in clubs that change managers during the season so I'd wait until at least the end of the season
Another hypothetical if Arsenal finished 5th last season would Wenger have been sacked?
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 11 seconds ago
There's one thing being loyal an trying to promote stability in the club but there's another thing turning a blind eye and being stubborn.
I'm not a fan of clubs that sack managers regularly but if Moyes isn't the man for the job, then he isn't the man for job. We can't be stubborn. In life you sometimes have to be ruthless.
Having said that, I don't believe in clubs that change managers during the season so I'd wait until at least the end of the season
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why not?
it has worked wonders for other clubs
chelsea under di matteo
sunderland under di canio
if the team is failing then change is needed
and quite possibly the greatest manager the British game has even seen chose this man; you want him sacked because his first attempt didn't go to plan?
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That's neither here nor there. That same guy thought it was wise to spend £16m on Ashley Young, £20m on fatboy and lots of others too.
Moral of the story, Fergie wasn't always right. In fact he got an awful lot wrong at times. He just made up for it with his incredible man management.
It's worked before, yes. But it's also backfired before. Tbh, with the players we have, we should not be doing as poorly as we are even with no one in charge. The players need to sort themselves out and man up.
ps. Di Matteo was hardly a success. He flopped the league and got extremeley lucky in the CL
If we finish out of the top 4 what would the board so?
I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia.
On a side note, all people saying he won't be sacked for not getting top 4, has the fact he has a 6 year contract affected this decision. If he was only on a 3 year deal would you think differently. Because I got a feeling if it isn't going right his contract length wouldn't be important.
With the Glazers money talks.
Just because Fergie appointed him doesn't mean he will be successful and doesn't mean we should back him no matter what.
After all Fergie was not infallible; Bebe, Anderson, Liam Miller, Ashley Young....... He did bring some utter tripe to the club.
comment by Viva Wayne Rooney (U2776)
posted 4 minutes ago
Another hypothetical if Arsenal finished 5th last season would Wenger have been sacked?
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The board would never sack Arsene Wenger. He's as untouchable as Sir Alex is, without winning for a good part of almost a decade.
If it was up to the fans, they would have got rid of him by now. Doubt there's even a minority of fans left who have not changed their minds back to pro-Arsene at the moment.
Changing managers mid season in a gamble, but there are always teams who benefit from it, more often than not there is an improvement in form when done so.
The only one I can think if that went horribly wrong was Wolves sacking McCarthey.
Remember everybody going mad when saints sacked Atkins last season? Chelsea brought in Rafa. Look at Palace now.
As I said above when a manager loses the dressing room it's usually game over.
"I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia."
Haha, thanks Shinji!
I just saw Moyes post match interview, have to say I would be concerned, I don't think he helps himself sometimes with some of the things he says.
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This Jurassic tradition of Utd's could just go very wrong and it might take a while to recover. Lightning never strikes the same place twice, just because SAF was given time we should give Moyes several seasons even if he fails miserably, this isn't the 80's or 90's any more, football has changed a lot since then.
Every company would have a minimum expectations for any person they hire, if they don't deliver or show any signs of improving, then bye bye. Utd are a huge global brand. Glazers as businessmen would not want Utd to fail as that would hit them in thier pockets.
I'm not saying Moyes should be sacked, but if we fail to make the top 4 or not show any signs of improvement, then his position seriously needs to be questioned at the end of the season.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
"I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia."
Haha, thanks Shinji!
I just saw Moyes post match interview, have to say I would be concerned, I don't think he helps himself sometimes with some of the things he says.
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I said this yesterday, he talks as much tripe as Benitez, Rogers and Mancini did.
At least when the above do it you can see the reasoning, Moyes just seems to be too soft. He needs to toughen up a little I think, accept responsibility and stop pretending everything will end up rosey.
AVB has come out fighting recently and they are digging out results, we are doing the opposite.
To be honest I want him gone now.
We've still got a faint hope of still getting into top 4. It's only a faint one but while we still have a chance we have to keep fighting. With a good run of results between now and Jan 1st and then a great transfer window, we could be back in the mix for top 4.
So for me, I'd bite the bullet now and get rid of him and get somebody else in who plays better football and who will rally the troops into better performances.
Yesterday was a telling game in my opinion. After wednesday night we were all expecting a reaction. What we got was worse. We played better vs Everton.
Signs of a manager that hasn't got the team behind him if you ask me.
Melt
I have been in Blackpool this weekend so only seen brief aftermath, on train home now so dreading hearing post-match comments. What has Moyes been saying?
The biggest drop in football history for me for changing Managers has to be Alan Curbishley when he was at Charlton.
In 03/04, they eere actually pushing for a Champions League place before selling their prize players. Continued like this for a few seasons, and then were branded as a mid-table team.
I believe Curbishley resigned, as the fans were not happy with them and appointed Dowie. A few years later they were in League One. I'm sure the fans wish they weren't moaning about being mid-table anymore!
TMSK, I like that we aren't generally a sacking club (easily said when we had Fergie though), but we need to see what Moyes is building towards.
So far everything is negative, flat, unimaginative and there is fight from the players at all.
No way would this side under Fergie go 4 games without a win, when did he last lose two home games on the bounce? Or go two games without scoring?
I'm very worried and don't know what to make of the situation at the moment, I guess we'll have to wait and see, that's all we can do.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 6 seconds ago
To be honest I want him gone now.
We've still got a faint hope of still getting into top 4. It's only a faint one but while we still have a chance we have to keep fighting. With a good run of results between now and Jan 1st and then a great transfer window, we could be back in the mix for top 4.
So for me, I'd bite the bullet now and get rid of him and get somebody else in who plays better football and who will rally the troops into better performances.
Yesterday was a telling game in my opinion. After wednesday night we were all expecting a reaction. What we got was worse. We played better vs Everton.
Signs of a manager that hasn't got the team behind him if you ask me.
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That could be slightly drastic and I would've been dead against that idea. .... 2 games ago.
Now I'm sat on a big spiky fence and I wouldn't be bothered either way.
What has Moyes been saying
That we can still win the league.
Dark, look at wolves, got rid of MM when still in a relegation battle, two years later in league one.
You need a plan in place if you are sacking a manager, and I don't see who we can take on right now, so we should give Moyes the season.
I wouldn't back him massively in the market though, unless we are buying players who have done it on the big stage.
Moyes just seems to be too soft. He needs to toughen up a little I think, accept responsibility and stop pretending everything will end up rosey.
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I agree with this. I am very much in the camp of giving Moyes time. The only thing that worries me is that he does seem to be too nice and polite with people, and in doing so, goes out of his way not to offend and comes out with the wrong thing.
He seems conscious of not snapping, he must be frustrated with how things have gone so far, and sees being a bit sharp with people as giving in to people looking for a reaction. Never did Fergie any harm though did it?
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The most worrying thing for me is the manner in which the team are performing. Its one thing playing well and losing, but our displays of late have been insipid at best and we barely had a shot on goal against Newcastle.
If Moyes cannot get the best out of a team who are the reigning champions, then you do have to question whether he's up to the job.
At what point is wait and see no longer an option.
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posted on 8/12/13
There's one thing being loyal an trying to promote stability in the club but there's another thing turning a blind eye and being stubborn.
I'm not a fan of clubs that sack managers regularly but if Moyes isn't the man for the job, then he isn't the man for job. We can't be stubborn. In life you sometimes have to be ruthless.
Having said that, I don't believe in clubs that change managers during the season so I'd wait until at least the end of the season
posted on 8/12/13
Another hypothetical if Arsenal finished 5th last season would Wenger have been sacked?
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 11 seconds ago
There's one thing being loyal an trying to promote stability in the club but there's another thing turning a blind eye and being stubborn.
I'm not a fan of clubs that sack managers regularly but if Moyes isn't the man for the job, then he isn't the man for job. We can't be stubborn. In life you sometimes have to be ruthless.
Having said that, I don't believe in clubs that change managers during the season so I'd wait until at least the end of the season
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why not?
it has worked wonders for other clubs
chelsea under di matteo
sunderland under di canio
if the team is failing then change is needed
posted on 8/12/13
and quite possibly the greatest manager the British game has even seen chose this man; you want him sacked because his first attempt didn't go to plan?
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That's neither here nor there. That same guy thought it was wise to spend £16m on Ashley Young, £20m on fatboy and lots of others too.
Moral of the story, Fergie wasn't always right. In fact he got an awful lot wrong at times. He just made up for it with his incredible man management.
posted on 8/12/13
It's worked before, yes. But it's also backfired before. Tbh, with the players we have, we should not be doing as poorly as we are even with no one in charge. The players need to sort themselves out and man up.
ps. Di Matteo was hardly a success. He flopped the league and got extremeley lucky in the CL
posted on 8/12/13
If we finish out of the top 4 what would the board so?
I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia.
On a side note, all people saying he won't be sacked for not getting top 4, has the fact he has a 6 year contract affected this decision. If he was only on a 3 year deal would you think differently. Because I got a feeling if it isn't going right his contract length wouldn't be important.
posted on 8/12/13
With the Glazers money talks.
posted on 8/12/13
Just because Fergie appointed him doesn't mean he will be successful and doesn't mean we should back him no matter what.
After all Fergie was not infallible; Bebe, Anderson, Liam Miller, Ashley Young....... He did bring some utter tripe to the club.
posted on 8/12/13
Board do*
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Viva Wayne Rooney (U2776)
posted 4 minutes ago
Another hypothetical if Arsenal finished 5th last season would Wenger have been sacked?
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The board would never sack Arsene Wenger. He's as untouchable as Sir Alex is, without winning for a good part of almost a decade.
If it was up to the fans, they would have got rid of him by now. Doubt there's even a minority of fans left who have not changed their minds back to pro-Arsene at the moment.
posted on 8/12/13
Changing managers mid season in a gamble, but there are always teams who benefit from it, more often than not there is an improvement in form when done so.
The only one I can think if that went horribly wrong was Wolves sacking McCarthey.
Remember everybody going mad when saints sacked Atkins last season? Chelsea brought in Rafa. Look at Palace now.
As I said above when a manager loses the dressing room it's usually game over.
posted on 8/12/13
"I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia."
Haha, thanks Shinji!
I just saw Moyes post match interview, have to say I would be concerned, I don't think he helps himself sometimes with some of the things he says.
posted on 8/12/13
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posted on 8/12/13
This Jurassic tradition of Utd's could just go very wrong and it might take a while to recover. Lightning never strikes the same place twice, just because SAF was given time we should give Moyes several seasons even if he fails miserably, this isn't the 80's or 90's any more, football has changed a lot since then.
Every company would have a minimum expectations for any person they hire, if they don't deliver or show any signs of improving, then bye bye. Utd are a huge global brand. Glazers as businessmen would not want Utd to fail as that would hit them in thier pockets.
I'm not saying Moyes should be sacked, but if we fail to make the top 4 or not show any signs of improvement, then his position seriously needs to be questioned at the end of the season.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
"I'll tell you - The board would go into meltdown, Robb, SLM and W&R would be in a battle royale, every opposition fan, bar meltonblue, would be banned from our board and one of the admins would have a hernia."
Haha, thanks Shinji!
I just saw Moyes post match interview, have to say I would be concerned, I don't think he helps himself sometimes with some of the things he says.
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I said this yesterday, he talks as much tripe as Benitez, Rogers and Mancini did.
At least when the above do it you can see the reasoning, Moyes just seems to be too soft. He needs to toughen up a little I think, accept responsibility and stop pretending everything will end up rosey.
AVB has come out fighting recently and they are digging out results, we are doing the opposite.
posted on 8/12/13
To be honest I want him gone now.
We've still got a faint hope of still getting into top 4. It's only a faint one but while we still have a chance we have to keep fighting. With a good run of results between now and Jan 1st and then a great transfer window, we could be back in the mix for top 4.
So for me, I'd bite the bullet now and get rid of him and get somebody else in who plays better football and who will rally the troops into better performances.
Yesterday was a telling game in my opinion. After wednesday night we were all expecting a reaction. What we got was worse. We played better vs Everton.
Signs of a manager that hasn't got the team behind him if you ask me.
posted on 8/12/13
Melt
I have been in Blackpool this weekend so only seen brief aftermath, on train home now so dreading hearing post-match comments. What has Moyes been saying?
posted on 8/12/13
The biggest drop in football history for me for changing Managers has to be Alan Curbishley when he was at Charlton.
In 03/04, they eere actually pushing for a Champions League place before selling their prize players. Continued like this for a few seasons, and then were branded as a mid-table team.
I believe Curbishley resigned, as the fans were not happy with them and appointed Dowie. A few years later they were in League One. I'm sure the fans wish they weren't moaning about being mid-table anymore!
posted on 8/12/13
TMSK, I like that we aren't generally a sacking club (easily said when we had Fergie though), but we need to see what Moyes is building towards.
So far everything is negative, flat, unimaginative and there is fight from the players at all.
No way would this side under Fergie go 4 games without a win, when did he last lose two home games on the bounce? Or go two games without scoring?
I'm very worried and don't know what to make of the situation at the moment, I guess we'll have to wait and see, that's all we can do.
posted on 8/12/13
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 6 seconds ago
To be honest I want him gone now.
We've still got a faint hope of still getting into top 4. It's only a faint one but while we still have a chance we have to keep fighting. With a good run of results between now and Jan 1st and then a great transfer window, we could be back in the mix for top 4.
So for me, I'd bite the bullet now and get rid of him and get somebody else in who plays better football and who will rally the troops into better performances.
Yesterday was a telling game in my opinion. After wednesday night we were all expecting a reaction. What we got was worse. We played better vs Everton.
Signs of a manager that hasn't got the team behind him if you ask me.
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That could be slightly drastic and I would've been dead against that idea. .... 2 games ago.
Now I'm sat on a big spiky fence and I wouldn't be bothered either way.
posted on 8/12/13
What has Moyes been saying
That we can still win the league.
Dark, look at wolves, got rid of MM when still in a relegation battle, two years later in league one.
You need a plan in place if you are sacking a manager, and I don't see who we can take on right now, so we should give Moyes the season.
I wouldn't back him massively in the market though, unless we are buying players who have done it on the big stage.
posted on 8/12/13
Moyes just seems to be too soft. He needs to toughen up a little I think, accept responsibility and stop pretending everything will end up rosey.
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I agree with this. I am very much in the camp of giving Moyes time. The only thing that worries me is that he does seem to be too nice and polite with people, and in doing so, goes out of his way not to offend and comes out with the wrong thing.
He seems conscious of not snapping, he must be frustrated with how things have gone so far, and sees being a bit sharp with people as giving in to people looking for a reaction. Never did Fergie any harm though did it?
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The most worrying thing for me is the manner in which the team are performing. Its one thing playing well and losing, but our displays of late have been insipid at best and we barely had a shot on goal against Newcastle.
If Moyes cannot get the best out of a team who are the reigning champions, then you do have to question whether he's up to the job.
At what point is wait and see no longer an option.
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