We would score more goals with giroud up frond and Walcott wide, then Walcott up front and no giroud.
No, Walcott must play on the right, it's where he makes his best contributions. Remember in the centre he'll usually be up against to centre halves, and on the right just a full back.
Aside from that Walcott's general play just isn't good enough to play in the middle. It's ok saying well he has talented players behind him, all he has to do is stick it in the net - it doesn't work like that. He doesn't have the experience to make the runs that a proper striker does, nor the attributes to help our link up play.
This is not to mention that of all our attacking players, Walcott seems to have the best understanding with Giroud. Winning flick-ons isn't much use when there's no one to run beyond you, but Walcott will do that .
On a side note I feel Giroud would be a perfect player for an English 4-4-2 big man/little man combo. Clearly we won't ever play that, nor do I particularly want to, but he looks like he would benefit from a srtiker partner, and Walcott on the right at least partially fulfills that role.
Some people just don't understand the game. Suggesting Walcott should play upfront instead of Giroud is ridiculously stupid. It was tried last season for a few games and it wasn't very successful.
To answer your question Dubbed, to play upfront on your own, you either have to be very gifted (like Suarez, RVP, Aguero etc) or be able to play with your back to goal, hold the ball up, win headers etc. Walcott offers none of those. Teams often play deep against us so unless he's making diagonal runs from deep, he won't get much space in behind if he's playing upfront on his own. It will never work.
Same for Podolski, he's never played upfront on his own for a reason.
Giroud is by far our best striker, whether you like it or not. It's not even up for debate.
Walcott and Podolski could perhaps play upfront in a 4-4-2 with a partner, never alone though.
Giroud is by far our best striker, whether you like it or not. It's not even up for debate.
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He's certainly the only one with the positional intelligence to play there.
I don't buy into the idea that Walcott is completely without a footballing brain, but I don't believe it's developed enough for him to play up front (on his own, anyway).
During that spell when he was up front last season, there were quite a few occasions where the ball was crossed in and he was always in the wrong place to receive it because he just had no anticipation.
"Some people just don't understand the game."
If you're going to give your opinion, give it. But don't come on here with your typical condescending and insulting tone.
It's a civil debate. Don't drag it down.
Giroud's little to no threat up front. I have no interest in what he does defensively. That is a bonus.
"If you're going to give your opinion, give it. But don't come on here with your typical condescending and insulting tone.
It's a civil debate. Don't drag it down."
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Relax, I'm telling you facts.
"Giroud's little to no threat up front. I have no interest in what he does defensively. That is a bonus."
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How about you respond directly to some of the points myself and others have made on this thread? What do you mean he's little to no threat? He's contributed to more than 15 goals already this season. He offers great aerial ability, hold up play and link up play. He's a big threat.
And Arsene obviously has an interest in what he does defensively, as it benefits the team.
I'm explained to you why Walcott can't play upfront on his own. Do you wanna argue against it or...?
Facts? Haha Your opinion is that right? Alright then.
I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind.
I agree with people saying Walcott's better on the right. But Giroud's so limited and slow that I'd try to push Walcott up there. It's something different.
Stats now? He's a big threat? Fair enough. You think he's a left footed Ibrahimovic so he probably is a big threat in your eyes.
You can keep banging on about the old he holds the ball up well and he links play up all you like, but he's just not a game winner. It's a shame. He could do so much more but he's not aggressive enough and gets gun shy in front of goal.
"Facts? Haha Your opinion is that right? Alright then."
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Yeah mate, it's common knowledge
"I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind."
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Nothing you say would change my mind, but you at least back up your thoughts.
"I agree with people saying Walcott's better on the right. But Giroud's so limited and slow that I'd try to push Walcott up there. It's something different."
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Walcott would be even more limited up top, he hasn't got the right movements/positional sense to get into the goal-scoring positions Giroud gets into.
"Stats now? He's a big threat? Fair enough. You think he's a left footed Ibrahimovic so he probably is a big threat in your eyes."
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'Stats now'? Are you retar.ded? You said he offers no threat, the goals and assists he's contributed to suggest otherwise, I'm not analysing his statistics or saying that's what makes him a better player than X player, I'm just highlighting the stupidity behind your logic.
"You can keep banging on about the old he holds the ball up well and he links play up all you like, but he's just not a game winner. It's a shame. He could do so much more but he's not aggressive enough and gets gun shy in front of goal."
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He's won us plenty of games and points. What a generic thing to say...
I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind.
I think you have to learn first what the idea of a football forum is.
Secondly, why cant you give OG not given some credit for what he had done so far this season with some important players out through injuries like Theo, Poldi and the Ox. We are top of the table and that has surely to do with him being our main striker. Like it or not.
Kamran, Suarez and Aguero dont play as lone strikers
"Kamran, Suarez and Aguero dont play as lone strikers"
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They don't this season, but they did last season and have done so regularly in the past.
but he's just not a game winner
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I agree that he doesn't do it enough, but he was the game winner in arguably (for me, definitely, when the consider the context) our biggest game of the season to date against Tottenham. He can win us the big games, just needs to step it up more often.
Kamran
With yet more insults. No point in even discussing anything with this idiot.
So ignorant and clueless yet so arrogant. Do one. You're not welcome on my threads.
So you've decided to pick up on the few little insults I've thrown (something you do regularly) and ignore the actual points I made about the topic/discussion? Could that have something to do with the fact you've been proven wrong and have nothing to back your opinion? I think so.
This guy is stupid. You have your opinion, while I have mine. What you say is not fact. No matter what your little ego tells you.
That ain't the issue here though. You've single handedly dragged down yet another thread. Well done.
People were debating normally before that.
I kept the discussion strictly football-related until you started having a fit about something which was completely irrelevant.
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You have your opinion, while I have mine. What you say is not fact. No matter what your little ego tells you.
That ain't the issue here though. You've single handedly dragged down yet another thread. Well done.
People were debating normally before that.
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that comment applies to you as well, Dubbed.
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It's fair to say fans who don't see what Giroud brings to our game don't understand football.
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Walcott shouldn't play as a striker, I agree he is better out wide than playing central. Bendtner should start vs Chelsea.
If you dont lke someone that much just filter them. I filtered kamran and enjoy it on here far more without the littleshits constant abuse.
Back to the football, I want to see Pid given a few games up top to have the cjsncd to adapt. He lkes to play as a second striker and slso helos out defence so I think he wojld do everything that people like giroud for now and get more goals and assists.
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What RGK? I don't think we've ever collided.
It's me Dubbed, your boss Kam
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posted on 20/12/13
We would score more goals with giroud up frond and Walcott wide, then Walcott up front and no giroud.
posted on 20/12/13
No, Walcott must play on the right, it's where he makes his best contributions. Remember in the centre he'll usually be up against to centre halves, and on the right just a full back.
Aside from that Walcott's general play just isn't good enough to play in the middle. It's ok saying well he has talented players behind him, all he has to do is stick it in the net - it doesn't work like that. He doesn't have the experience to make the runs that a proper striker does, nor the attributes to help our link up play.
This is not to mention that of all our attacking players, Walcott seems to have the best understanding with Giroud. Winning flick-ons isn't much use when there's no one to run beyond you, but Walcott will do that .
On a side note I feel Giroud would be a perfect player for an English 4-4-2 big man/little man combo. Clearly we won't ever play that, nor do I particularly want to, but he looks like he would benefit from a srtiker partner, and Walcott on the right at least partially fulfills that role.
posted on 20/12/13
Some people just don't understand the game. Suggesting Walcott should play upfront instead of Giroud is ridiculously stupid. It was tried last season for a few games and it wasn't very successful.
To answer your question Dubbed, to play upfront on your own, you either have to be very gifted (like Suarez, RVP, Aguero etc) or be able to play with your back to goal, hold the ball up, win headers etc. Walcott offers none of those. Teams often play deep against us so unless he's making diagonal runs from deep, he won't get much space in behind if he's playing upfront on his own. It will never work.
Same for Podolski, he's never played upfront on his own for a reason.
Giroud is by far our best striker, whether you like it or not. It's not even up for debate.
Walcott and Podolski could perhaps play upfront in a 4-4-2 with a partner, never alone though.
posted on 20/12/13
Giroud is by far our best striker, whether you like it or not. It's not even up for debate.
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He's certainly the only one with the positional intelligence to play there.
I don't buy into the idea that Walcott is completely without a footballing brain, but I don't believe it's developed enough for him to play up front (on his own, anyway).
During that spell when he was up front last season, there were quite a few occasions where the ball was crossed in and he was always in the wrong place to receive it because he just had no anticipation.
posted on 20/12/13
"Some people just don't understand the game."
If you're going to give your opinion, give it. But don't come on here with your typical condescending and insulting tone.
It's a civil debate. Don't drag it down.
Giroud's little to no threat up front. I have no interest in what he does defensively. That is a bonus.
posted on 20/12/13
"If you're going to give your opinion, give it. But don't come on here with your typical condescending and insulting tone.
It's a civil debate. Don't drag it down."
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Relax, I'm telling you facts.
"Giroud's little to no threat up front. I have no interest in what he does defensively. That is a bonus."
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How about you respond directly to some of the points myself and others have made on this thread? What do you mean he's little to no threat? He's contributed to more than 15 goals already this season. He offers great aerial ability, hold up play and link up play. He's a big threat.
And Arsene obviously has an interest in what he does defensively, as it benefits the team.
I'm explained to you why Walcott can't play upfront on his own. Do you wanna argue against it or...?
posted on 20/12/13
Facts? Haha Your opinion is that right? Alright then.
I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind.
I agree with people saying Walcott's better on the right. But Giroud's so limited and slow that I'd try to push Walcott up there. It's something different.
Stats now? He's a big threat? Fair enough. You think he's a left footed Ibrahimovic so he probably is a big threat in your eyes.
You can keep banging on about the old he holds the ball up well and he links play up all you like, but he's just not a game winner. It's a shame. He could do so much more but he's not aggressive enough and gets gun shy in front of goal.
posted on 20/12/13
"Facts? Haha Your opinion is that right? Alright then."
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Yeah mate, it's common knowledge
"I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind."
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Nothing you say would change my mind, but you at least back up your thoughts.
"I agree with people saying Walcott's better on the right. But Giroud's so limited and slow that I'd try to push Walcott up there. It's something different."
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Walcott would be even more limited up top, he hasn't got the right movements/positional sense to get into the goal-scoring positions Giroud gets into.
"Stats now? He's a big threat? Fair enough. You think he's a left footed Ibrahimovic so he probably is a big threat in your eyes."
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'Stats now'? Are you retar.ded? You said he offers no threat, the goals and assists he's contributed to suggest otherwise, I'm not analysing his statistics or saying that's what makes him a better player than X player, I'm just highlighting the stupidity behind your logic.
"You can keep banging on about the old he holds the ball up well and he links play up all you like, but he's just not a game winner. It's a shame. He could do so much more but he's not aggressive enough and gets gun shy in front of goal."
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He's won us plenty of games and points. What a generic thing to say...
posted on 20/12/13
I don't have to respond directly to your points or debunk them because I have no intention in changing your mind.
I think you have to learn first what the idea of a football forum is.
Secondly, why cant you give OG not given some credit for what he had done so far this season with some important players out through injuries like Theo, Poldi and the Ox. We are top of the table and that has surely to do with him being our main striker. Like it or not.
Kamran, Suarez and Aguero dont play as lone strikers
posted on 20/12/13
"Kamran, Suarez and Aguero dont play as lone strikers"
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They don't this season, but they did last season and have done so regularly in the past.
posted on 20/12/13
but he's just not a game winner
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I agree that he doesn't do it enough, but he was the game winner in arguably (for me, definitely, when the consider the context) our biggest game of the season to date against Tottenham. He can win us the big games, just needs to step it up more often.
posted on 20/12/13
Kamran
With yet more insults. No point in even discussing anything with this idiot.
So ignorant and clueless yet so arrogant. Do one. You're not welcome on my threads.
posted on 20/12/13
So you've decided to pick up on the few little insults I've thrown (something you do regularly) and ignore the actual points I made about the topic/discussion? Could that have something to do with the fact you've been proven wrong and have nothing to back your opinion? I think so.
posted on 20/12/13
This guy is stupid. You have your opinion, while I have mine. What you say is not fact. No matter what your little ego tells you.
That ain't the issue here though. You've single handedly dragged down yet another thread. Well done.
People were debating normally before that.
posted on 20/12/13
I kept the discussion strictly football-related until you started having a fit about something which was completely irrelevant.
posted on 20/12/13
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posted on 20/12/13
You have your opinion, while I have mine. What you say is not fact. No matter what your little ego tells you.
That ain't the issue here though. You've single handedly dragged down yet another thread. Well done.
People were debating normally before that.
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that comment applies to you as well, Dubbed.
posted on 20/12/13
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posted on 20/12/13
It's fair to say fans who don't see what Giroud brings to our game don't understand football.
posted on 20/12/13
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posted on 20/12/13
Walcott shouldn't play as a striker, I agree he is better out wide than playing central. Bendtner should start vs Chelsea.
posted on 21/12/13
If you dont lke someone that much just filter them. I filtered kamran and enjoy it on here far more without the littleshits constant abuse.
Back to the football, I want to see Pid given a few games up top to have the cjsncd to adapt. He lkes to play as a second striker and slso helos out defence so I think he wojld do everything that people like giroud for now and get more goals and assists.
posted on 21/12/13
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posted on 21/12/13
What RGK? I don't think we've ever collided.
posted on 21/12/13
It's me Dubbed, your boss Kam
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