The fact you make excuses for Robben being always injured yet ignore Tony having two serious injuries for us shows that you're just not capable of being objective.
Don't be a plumb. Robben is a sick note. Yes Valencia's had two bad injuries but has come back and generally stays fit. You've missed the point completely
kinsang, of course there are. But Stretty was slating his productivity despite the stats showing he's been as or more productive than world class players in his time at United.
So the notion that he's always been average and has only achieved the bare minimum in terms of assists is absolutely false.
Valencia got 13 in his 3rd season, which is the same as a Balon D'Or contender, yet you're saying that any winger should get that much whereas world class wingers at United have either failed to get that many or have matched it.
Ronaldo was also scoring. And no beckham didn't start most games. You're wrong. Sorry.
Valencia should be given credit for this. Only Silva got more assists than him in 2011/12 and he was seen as arguably the best player in the league, and that season Tony won our player of the year.
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He wasn't our best player tho. Sympathy vote to say well done for coming back from hisninjury
an injury early in the 2002–03 season, Beckham was unable to regain his place on the Manchester United team, with Ole Gunnar Solskjær having replaced him on the right side of midfield
Stretty - you obviously have little time for Valencia, we get it!!
You are moving the goal posts now. We know Ronaldo is much better and score loads, but you said any winger should be getting that many assists yet some of the best we've had didn't, and Valencia achieved a similar amount.
You're wrong about Beckham, look it up, he started the majority of our games that season.
Valencia is also hardly a bill of health seeing as he suffers serious injuries as well as niggles.
He played 52 games that season you burke.
- Seriously Stretty, I admire you are at least consistent in your negativity, but surely you must recognise, only a handful of footballers could live up to your expectations.
comment by Stretty - #FreeShinji (U3123)
posted 6 minutes ago
an injury early in the 2002–03 season, Beckham was unable to regain his place on the Manchester United team, with Ole Gunnar Solskjær having replaced him on the right side of midfield
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In the Premier League season 02/03, Beckham appeared 31 times for Manchester United! I can see how he was unable to regain his place.
He started 27 of 38 league games and started 45 in all competition for United that season.
1982, nah, haven't you heard, he lost his place and hardly started.
He played 52 games that season you burke.
What's your point?
You are moving the goal posts now. We know Ronaldo is much better and score loads, but you said any winger should be getting that many assists yet some of the best we've had didn't, and Valencia achieved a similar amount.
Only too someone not reading posts properly.
Right as I have stated, creating is Valencia's only forte.
Ronaldo had more to his game. He did more.
When you've only got one string to your bow you need that string to be bloody strong. It wasn't. It was average.
You said he was on the bench that season a lot, and that he was unable to regain his place, which isn't true.
Moving the goal posts again. If any winger could get that then no matter how many strings you have to your bow a world class player should be getting much more, but they weren't, which suggests it's a good return from Valencia.
Where's your stats from beckham coming from? Because I cannot find any for that season with a credible soirce
Moving the goal posts again. If any winger could get that then no matter how many strings you have to your bow a world class player should be getting much more, but they weren't, which suggests it's a good return from Valencia
You're actually a lost child if you believe the trash you just wrote.
If you think 13 from 50 games is good then son, you need Jesus ASAP.
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13 from 27 is good, especially when you've come back from a serious injury.
Wasn't good in the cups that season, but neither were any of our players.
What is trash about that? You say Valencia is an average limited player, yet he managed to get as many assists as a world class player.
You say any winger could get that whereas the stats show that not any winger can.
Just because it's not a world class return doesn't make it an average one.
There's a middle ground. That's where Tony lies. The last two seasons Tony doesn't even meet average, but you're revising history to suit this bullcrap agenda you seem to have against Valencia. And I don't even rate him that highly for fack sake.
Just for comparisons sake robben in that same year. Played only 37 games and scored 23 goals.
Which even if you combine Valencia's goals and assists together is still less than that contribution. Stats on robbens assists that year proving difficult to find.
ESPN
Right you mean the stats websites that's consistantly wrong?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
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13 from 27 is good, especially when you've come back from a serious injury.
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Thought we were on about his first season.
Wasn't good in the cups that season, but neither were any of our players.
What is trash about that? You say Valencia is an average limited player, yet he managed to get as many assists as a world class player.
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In a different season. It's not even remotely the same especially when the other player was doing more for the team
You say any winger could get that whereas the stats show that not any winger can.
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But elite wingers also contribute in other ways
Just because it's not a world class return doesn't make it an average one.
But he is very very average and always has been
There's a middle ground. That's where Tony lies. The last two seasons Tony doesn't even meet average, but you're revising history to suit this bullcrap agenda you seem to have against Valencia. And I don't even rate him that highly for fack sake.
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Yeah ok, he's not as good as the best wingers in the world. He must be crap. I can't be bothered arguing with you anymore.
You're in the minority of people on here that think Valencia has been average in his whole time at United.
That's your prerogative, but I don't remember you saying this at the time, and I think you're measuring him up against some of the supreme wingers in world football and then making out he's crap because he falls short.
By that logic United have had so many bloody crap players because a lot of our good players have not managed to reach the heights of the world's elite.
My initial point was we should of replaced Ronaldo with a far better player than Valencia and I stick by that.
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posted on 4/1/14
The fact you make excuses for Robben being always injured yet ignore Tony having two serious injuries for us shows that you're just not capable of being objective.
Don't be a plumb. Robben is a sick note. Yes Valencia's had two bad injuries but has come back and generally stays fit. You've missed the point completely
posted on 4/1/14
kinsang, of course there are. But Stretty was slating his productivity despite the stats showing he's been as or more productive than world class players in his time at United.
So the notion that he's always been average and has only achieved the bare minimum in terms of assists is absolutely false.
posted on 4/1/14
Valencia got 13 in his 3rd season, which is the same as a Balon D'Or contender, yet you're saying that any winger should get that much whereas world class wingers at United have either failed to get that many or have matched it.
Ronaldo was also scoring. And no beckham didn't start most games. You're wrong. Sorry.
posted on 4/1/14
Valencia should be given credit for this. Only Silva got more assists than him in 2011/12 and he was seen as arguably the best player in the league, and that season Tony won our player of the year.
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He wasn't our best player tho. Sympathy vote to say well done for coming back from hisninjury
posted on 4/1/14
an injury early in the 2002–03 season, Beckham was unable to regain his place on the Manchester United team, with Ole Gunnar Solskjær having replaced him on the right side of midfield
posted on 4/1/14
Stretty - you obviously have little time for Valencia, we get it!!
posted on 4/1/14
You are moving the goal posts now. We know Ronaldo is much better and score loads, but you said any winger should be getting that many assists yet some of the best we've had didn't, and Valencia achieved a similar amount.
You're wrong about Beckham, look it up, he started the majority of our games that season.
Valencia is also hardly a bill of health seeing as he suffers serious injuries as well as niggles.
posted on 4/1/14
He played 52 games that season you burke.
posted on 4/1/14
- Seriously Stretty, I admire you are at least consistent in your negativity, but surely you must recognise, only a handful of footballers could live up to your expectations.
posted on 4/1/14
comment by Stretty - #FreeShinji (U3123)
posted 6 minutes ago
an injury early in the 2002–03 season, Beckham was unable to regain his place on the Manchester United team, with Ole Gunnar Solskjær having replaced him on the right side of midfield
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In the Premier League season 02/03, Beckham appeared 31 times for Manchester United! I can see how he was unable to regain his place.
posted on 4/1/14
He started 27 of 38 league games and started 45 in all competition for United that season.
posted on 4/1/14
1982, nah, haven't you heard, he lost his place and hardly started.
posted on 4/1/14
He played 52 games that season you burke.
What's your point?
posted on 4/1/14
You are moving the goal posts now. We know Ronaldo is much better and score loads, but you said any winger should be getting that many assists yet some of the best we've had didn't, and Valencia achieved a similar amount.
Only too someone not reading posts properly.
Right as I have stated, creating is Valencia's only forte.
Ronaldo had more to his game. He did more.
When you've only got one string to your bow you need that string to be bloody strong. It wasn't. It was average.
posted on 4/1/14
You said he was on the bench that season a lot, and that he was unable to regain his place, which isn't true.
posted on 4/1/14
Moving the goal posts again. If any winger could get that then no matter how many strings you have to your bow a world class player should be getting much more, but they weren't, which suggests it's a good return from Valencia.
posted on 4/1/14
Where's your stats from beckham coming from? Because I cannot find any for that season with a credible soirce
posted on 5/1/14
Moving the goal posts again. If any winger could get that then no matter how many strings you have to your bow a world class player should be getting much more, but they weren't, which suggests it's a good return from Valencia
You're actually a lost child if you believe the trash you just wrote.
posted on 5/1/14
If you think 13 from 50 games is good then son, you need Jesus ASAP.
posted on 5/1/14
ESPN
13 from 27 is good, especially when you've come back from a serious injury.
Wasn't good in the cups that season, but neither were any of our players.
What is trash about that? You say Valencia is an average limited player, yet he managed to get as many assists as a world class player.
You say any winger could get that whereas the stats show that not any winger can.
Just because it's not a world class return doesn't make it an average one.
There's a middle ground. That's where Tony lies. The last two seasons Tony doesn't even meet average, but you're revising history to suit this bullcrap agenda you seem to have against Valencia. And I don't even rate him that highly for fack sake.
posted on 5/1/14
Just for comparisons sake robben in that same year. Played only 37 games and scored 23 goals.
Which even if you combine Valencia's goals and assists together is still less than that contribution. Stats on robbens assists that year proving difficult to find.
posted on 5/1/14
ESPN
Right you mean the stats websites that's consistantly wrong?
posted on 5/1/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
ESPN
13 from 27 is good, especially when you've come back from a serious injury.
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Thought we were on about his first season.
Wasn't good in the cups that season, but neither were any of our players.
What is trash about that? You say Valencia is an average limited player, yet he managed to get as many assists as a world class player.
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In a different season. It's not even remotely the same especially when the other player was doing more for the team
You say any winger could get that whereas the stats show that not any winger can.
----
But elite wingers also contribute in other ways
Just because it's not a world class return doesn't make it an average one.
But he is very very average and always has been
There's a middle ground. That's where Tony lies. The last two seasons Tony doesn't even meet average, but you're revising history to suit this bullcrap agenda you seem to have against Valencia. And I don't even rate him that highly for fack sake.
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posted on 5/1/14
Yeah ok, he's not as good as the best wingers in the world. He must be crap. I can't be bothered arguing with you anymore.
You're in the minority of people on here that think Valencia has been average in his whole time at United.
That's your prerogative, but I don't remember you saying this at the time, and I think you're measuring him up against some of the supreme wingers in world football and then making out he's crap because he falls short.
By that logic United have had so many bloody crap players because a lot of our good players have not managed to reach the heights of the world's elite.
posted on 5/1/14
My initial point was we should of replaced Ronaldo with a far better player than Valencia and I stick by that.
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