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Yet there were so many on here pleased he left and ecstatic when AVB took over. Look how it's turned out.
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appspur.
Very interesting read
I have to say, I wanted Harry gone the Jan/Feb all the 'England job' talks started. However in the summer I thought it was best for him to stay, but he got sacked, which I was not happy about.
Then AVB gets given a brand new team and some huge expectation, and then given the sack, which I was not happy about.
Now we have Sherwood, who currently I cant say I am happy with, but think he does deserve time (despite the fact that he shouldnt have been given it in the beginning)
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The only person to blame for Redknapps sacking is Redknapp himself.
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment (not signing contract), and gross underperformance of the team.
That I am afraid is simply fact
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Major issue with modern football is the way that a club can just be bought and have one billion ploughed into it with no consequences and you are winning league titles. Sadly most of our fans would take this option.
Take Lyon for example. Won the French league consistently. PSG now can blow them out of the water and a newly promoted Monaco can do the same. Lyon probably won't win the league again for years.
Similarly, clubs that can spend 30/40 million raise the expectation for every other club. Our board seemingly are under pressure from the fans to blow 30 odd million every transfer window on a new striker. Or else they should leave and they clearly hate the club.
Over the last 10/15 years our club has taken 2 steps forward and one step back. This is the only way we are going to continue to improve without going down lottery street. Cash in on our best player and buy two younger ones who we hope will become brilliant. AKA 30m for Berbatov being spent on Modric and Bale.
Unfortunately, it appears you now need an economics degree to watch/debate football. You need to know about net spend, how to rob your other fans on Stubhub and how much your club turnover is. Not really the same as turning up as a kid and thinking 'that Ginola is really good'.
Chronic,
and gross underperformance of the team.
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I would take that "gross underperformance" any day. He achieves the highest ever Premiership placing (twice) yet it gets labelled this.
Nobody, i repeat nobody, should have been happy with the Harry sacking for footballing reasons. And as i am only interested in footballing matters, i find Chronic's opinion very hard to accept.
Chronic, this is not a dig at you - but at your philosphy. We are fans, not football chairmen or business associates - and we should start acting like it.
the only way spurs can succeed as we want them to is by modelling ourselves entirely on Dortmund.
They are a class act, compete at the top in Europe and domestically, and are a pure selling club
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I think it would also help if the fans/players didnt aim to reach top 4 this season, but instead gel as a unit and aim for even higher next season. Far too much pressure on the 'here' and 'now'.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)
posted 41 seconds ago
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment
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Really? By refusing to rule himself out of the England job, that was being gobby?
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mate. you aren't a spurs fan so you obviously didn't pay enough attention at the time, understandably.
absolutely nothing to do with the England job whatsoever. (that was why he didn't sign contract), he wasn't mouthing off about it.
The only person to blame for Redknapps sacking is Redknapp himself.
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment (not signing contract), and gross underperformance of the team.
That I am afraid is simply fact
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The only job that turned his head was the England job. He's a proud Englishmen, one of Bobby Moore's best mates. Of course he's going to get all dreamy-eyed about that job. You can't expect a manager to not have personal ambitions. AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys. Harry only wanted the England job, no other club job interested him.
We should have been counting our lucky stars that Roy got the job and should have offered him a contract straight away.
Oh, and gross lack of performance of the team? 4th place and one game away from 3rd. You are kidding right? Where do you expect us to be? He fulfilled his brief, it's not his fault Chelsea were the luckiest side in history that year.
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Oh, and gross lack of performance of the team? 4th place and one game away from 3rd. You are kidding right? Where do you expect us to be? He fulfilled his brief, it's not his fault Chelsea were the luckiest side in history that year.
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mate. pay attention.
re read what I said.
his gobbing off and lack of commitment (understandable, but still relevant) happened AT THE SAME TIME as the team were in relegation form for a third of the season.
the fact we finished fourth was because we had an exceptional first two thirds of the season
We should have been counting our lucky stars that Roy got the job and should have offered him a contract straight away.
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he had a contract on the table for months before Hodgson was appointed
I cant blame Redknapp for taking his eye of the prize, but at the end of the day we didnt need a manager who's head and heart wasn't 100% in it.
Also, after the Newcastle game we won 1 in 11. If that isnt a lack of performance then I dont know what is!
fridge,
AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys.
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AVB said, after being with us for just a couple of months, that he wanted to "manage in Brazil very soon", yet this ISN'T frowned upon, but Harry wanting the biggest managerial job in his dreams, IS.
I dont undersatnd this logic.
comment by Chicken - Mr Consistent✔ (U1043)
posted 6 seconds ago
fridge,
AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys.
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AVB said, after being with us for just a couple of months, that he wanted to "manage in Brazil very soon", yet this ISN'T frowned upon, but Harry wanting the biggest managerial job in his dreams, IS.
I dont undersatnd this logic.
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but AVB was heavily criticised for that at the time chicken.
so what point are you actually making? as usual, you have no point at all
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comment by 2014 Edinspur - #333333 (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I cant blame Redknapp for taking his eye of the prize, but at the end of the day we didnt need a manager who's head and heart wasn't 100% in it.
Also, after the Newcastle game we won 1 in 11. If that isnt a lack of performance then I dont know what is!
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this x100
furthermore, I remember just before he got sacked I said that I would just about lean towards giving him another season, but couldn't complain, or be sad if he was sacked.
don't forget at that time he was mouthing off disgracefully about levy at the same time he was burying his mother......
not ideal timing really from classy Harry
Harry had a wobble due to the England thing. Very poor, but forgivable based on his record up to that point.
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what about his "wobble" in the prior season then?
all this nonsense chicken comes out with about AVB failed..... AVB didn't surrender 10 point and 8 point leads over arsenal !
comment by 2014 Edinspur - #333333 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it would also help if the fans/players didnt aim to reach top 4 this season, but instead gel as a unit and aim for even higher next season. Far too much pressure on the 'here' and 'now'.
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Agreed. Every single season people make out that if we miss out on the top 4 we will never again stand a chance of getting into the Champions League. We will lost all out best players and we will go back to mid table.
Has that happened?
Yes, we have lost our best players over recent seasons. But have we replaced them. By and large we have, but if Lamela doesn't repeat Bale standards immediately he becomes a flop and useless. But if next season he plays brilliantly everyone will be bleating that they supported him since day one.
'We want success, when do we want it... yesterday'
To poorly compare Redknapps final spell at us to a painting. If someone was given the job to paint a pretty good picture, then made a masterpiece for 2/3rds of it, then got bored at the end and finished it with a 'stick man' drawing. You wouldnt praise him for the 'bigger picture' (nice pun), instead you would say he did a very good job until the end where he grossly under performed.
Much like Arry
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posted on 3/2/14
Yet there were so many on here pleased he left and ecstatic when AVB took over. Look how it's turned out.
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posted on 3/2/14
appspur.
Very interesting read
posted on 3/2/14
I have to say, I wanted Harry gone the Jan/Feb all the 'England job' talks started. However in the summer I thought it was best for him to stay, but he got sacked, which I was not happy about.
Then AVB gets given a brand new team and some huge expectation, and then given the sack, which I was not happy about.
Now we have Sherwood, who currently I cant say I am happy with, but think he does deserve time (despite the fact that he shouldnt have been given it in the beginning)
posted on 3/2/14
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posted on 3/2/14
The only person to blame for Redknapps sacking is Redknapp himself.
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment (not signing contract), and gross underperformance of the team.
That I am afraid is simply fact
posted on 3/2/14
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posted on 3/2/14
Major issue with modern football is the way that a club can just be bought and have one billion ploughed into it with no consequences and you are winning league titles. Sadly most of our fans would take this option.
Take Lyon for example. Won the French league consistently. PSG now can blow them out of the water and a newly promoted Monaco can do the same. Lyon probably won't win the league again for years.
Similarly, clubs that can spend 30/40 million raise the expectation for every other club. Our board seemingly are under pressure from the fans to blow 30 odd million every transfer window on a new striker. Or else they should leave and they clearly hate the club.
Over the last 10/15 years our club has taken 2 steps forward and one step back. This is the only way we are going to continue to improve without going down lottery street. Cash in on our best player and buy two younger ones who we hope will become brilliant. AKA 30m for Berbatov being spent on Modric and Bale.
Unfortunately, it appears you now need an economics degree to watch/debate football. You need to know about net spend, how to rob your other fans on Stubhub and how much your club turnover is. Not really the same as turning up as a kid and thinking 'that Ginola is really good'.
posted on 3/2/14
Chronic,
and gross underperformance of the team.
===================
I would take that "gross underperformance" any day. He achieves the highest ever Premiership placing (twice) yet it gets labelled this.
Nobody, i repeat nobody, should have been happy with the Harry sacking for footballing reasons. And as i am only interested in footballing matters, i find Chronic's opinion very hard to accept.
Chronic, this is not a dig at you - but at your philosphy. We are fans, not football chairmen or business associates - and we should start acting like it.
posted on 3/2/14
the only way spurs can succeed as we want them to is by modelling ourselves entirely on Dortmund.
They are a class act, compete at the top in Europe and domestically, and are a pure selling club
posted on 3/2/14
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posted on 3/2/14
I think it would also help if the fans/players didnt aim to reach top 4 this season, but instead gel as a unit and aim for even higher next season. Far too much pressure on the 'here' and 'now'.
posted on 3/2/14
comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)
posted 41 seconds ago
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment
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Really? By refusing to rule himself out of the England job, that was being gobby?
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mate. you aren't a spurs fan so you obviously didn't pay enough attention at the time, understandably.
absolutely nothing to do with the England job whatsoever. (that was why he didn't sign contract), he wasn't mouthing off about it.
posted on 3/2/14
The only person to blame for Redknapps sacking is Redknapp himself.
Made his position untenable with Levy due to his big flappy gob which at that time was coupled with lack of commitment (not signing contract), and gross underperformance of the team.
That I am afraid is simply fact
---------------------------------------------------------
The only job that turned his head was the England job. He's a proud Englishmen, one of Bobby Moore's best mates. Of course he's going to get all dreamy-eyed about that job. You can't expect a manager to not have personal ambitions. AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys. Harry only wanted the England job, no other club job interested him.
We should have been counting our lucky stars that Roy got the job and should have offered him a contract straight away.
Oh, and gross lack of performance of the team? 4th place and one game away from 3rd. You are kidding right? Where do you expect us to be? He fulfilled his brief, it's not his fault Chelsea were the luckiest side in history that year.
posted on 3/2/14
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posted on 3/2/14
Oh, and gross lack of performance of the team? 4th place and one game away from 3rd. You are kidding right? Where do you expect us to be? He fulfilled his brief, it's not his fault Chelsea were the luckiest side in history that year.
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mate. pay attention.
re read what I said.
his gobbing off and lack of commitment (understandable, but still relevant) happened AT THE SAME TIME as the team were in relegation form for a third of the season.
the fact we finished fourth was because we had an exceptional first two thirds of the season
posted on 3/2/14
We should have been counting our lucky stars that Roy got the job and should have offered him a contract straight away.
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he had a contract on the table for months before Hodgson was appointed
posted on 3/2/14
I cant blame Redknapp for taking his eye of the prize, but at the end of the day we didnt need a manager who's head and heart wasn't 100% in it.
Also, after the Newcastle game we won 1 in 11. If that isnt a lack of performance then I dont know what is!
posted on 3/2/14
fridge,
AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys.
===============
AVB said, after being with us for just a couple of months, that he wanted to "manage in Brazil very soon", yet this ISN'T frowned upon, but Harry wanting the biggest managerial job in his dreams, IS.
I dont undersatnd this logic.
posted on 3/2/14
comment by Chicken - Mr Consistent✔ (U1043)
posted 6 seconds ago
fridge,
AVB did, if he was a success with us, he'd have dropped us like a stone to any of the bigger boys.
===============
AVB said, after being with us for just a couple of months, that he wanted to "manage in Brazil very soon", yet this ISN'T frowned upon, but Harry wanting the biggest managerial job in his dreams, IS.
I dont undersatnd this logic.
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but AVB was heavily criticised for that at the time chicken.
so what point are you actually making? as usual, you have no point at all
posted on 3/2/14
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posted on 3/2/14
comment by 2014 Edinspur - #333333 (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I cant blame Redknapp for taking his eye of the prize, but at the end of the day we didnt need a manager who's head and heart wasn't 100% in it.
Also, after the Newcastle game we won 1 in 11. If that isnt a lack of performance then I dont know what is!
------
this x100
furthermore, I remember just before he got sacked I said that I would just about lean towards giving him another season, but couldn't complain, or be sad if he was sacked.
don't forget at that time he was mouthing off disgracefully about levy at the same time he was burying his mother......
not ideal timing really from classy Harry
posted on 3/2/14
Harry had a wobble due to the England thing. Very poor, but forgivable based on his record up to that point.
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what about his "wobble" in the prior season then?
all this nonsense chicken comes out with about AVB failed..... AVB didn't surrender 10 point and 8 point leads over arsenal !
posted on 3/2/14
comment by 2014 Edinspur - #333333 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it would also help if the fans/players didnt aim to reach top 4 this season, but instead gel as a unit and aim for even higher next season. Far too much pressure on the 'here' and 'now'.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. Every single season people make out that if we miss out on the top 4 we will never again stand a chance of getting into the Champions League. We will lost all out best players and we will go back to mid table.
Has that happened?
Yes, we have lost our best players over recent seasons. But have we replaced them. By and large we have, but if Lamela doesn't repeat Bale standards immediately he becomes a flop and useless. But if next season he plays brilliantly everyone will be bleating that they supported him since day one.
'We want success, when do we want it... yesterday'
posted on 3/2/14
To poorly compare Redknapps final spell at us to a painting. If someone was given the job to paint a pretty good picture, then made a masterpiece for 2/3rds of it, then got bored at the end and finished it with a 'stick man' drawing. You wouldnt praise him for the 'bigger picture' (nice pun), instead you would say he did a very good job until the end where he grossly under performed.
Much like Arry
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