It's the squad value in terms of how much the playing staff cost to assemble isn't it?
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My take is that it's the current value of the players in each squad. Not how much each squad cost their respective clubs in terms of transfer fees.
Which is quite likely due to the fact that City, United and Chelsea all changed managers in the summer.
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I keep hearing this excuse, so do you guys expect City and CFC to run away with the title next year,due to their managers being settled in... ....and maybe spending another 100 mil in the summer?
Ramsey didn't come through the ranks, he was signed from Cadiff.
I wouldn't say signing a player from Poland and playing him in your youth team for a few years equates to coming through the ranks either, but even if you do it's only three players at Arsenal that have come through the ranks.
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
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Don't underestimate how hard that is, none of the top teams apart from us,LFC or Spurs seem to be doing it though.
It's exactly what Chelsea are doing...have you seen their loan list?
That's because the other top teams supplement buying young players with established players so that they can win trophies.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 seconds ago
Ramsey didn't come through the ranks, he was signed from Cadiff.
I wouldn't say signing a player from Poland and playing him in your youth team for a few years equates to coming through the ranks either, but even if you do it's only three players at Arsenal that have come through the ranks.
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
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You do know that Utds famed golden generation didn't come through at Utd either so. Giggs was 14, beckham was 15 and scholes was 16 when they joined Utd but they count as Utd youth?
At least we make some of our players
"These are official salaries we gathered from some trusted sources, so you can trust us on the figures as they are pretty accurate while we will be publishing series of Premier League teams Salaries on this site."
"Hello, is that Shiekh Mansour?"
"Yes"
"Good morning Your Highness, I'm putting together a website about players salaries. Could you tell me how much the City players are being paid - I know it's a closely guarded secret"
"No problem, I'll email them to you this afternoon"
"Brilliant, thanks a lot, laters"
It's exactly what Chelsea are doing...have you seen their loan list?
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No, they are stockpiling players and then selling them on when they can't make their squad. who was the last young player to step up in Chelsea?
"Net spend over the last 6-10 years for instance would give a far more accurate picture of how much has been pumped into a squad and where (in theory) they should be in terms of current success."
Why would it be more accurate to include players that potentially left the club 10 years ago in an attempt to gauge current success?
I didn't say you don't make some of your players. Just disagreed with the assertion that many came through the ranks.
No, they are stockpiling players and then selling them on when they can't make their squad. who was the last young player to step up in Chelsea?
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Isn't that just part of the process? The ones that don't make it are shipped out, and the successes make the team?
If Lukaku, or Bertrand or Piazon make it then they would be no different to Sczhesney or Wilshere.
If not, they're shipped out like Vela...
So Arsenal don't spend as much
But they don't win trophies
so that sounds right to me
I don't think anyone is particularly likely to trust an arbitrary valuation of players from a website that can't even spell valuable properly (see URL).
Isn't that just part of the process? The ones that don't make it are shipped out, and the successes make the team?
If Lukaku, or Bertrand or Piazon make it then they would be no different to Sczhesney or Wilshere.
If not, they're shipped out like Vela...
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Yeah, most teams do for one season then bring them back, not CFC, how long has Lukaku been on loan and also answer my original question, who was the last CFC player to step up?
How long was wilshere, or bendtner, or vela on loan?
It's more of a case that prospects get competitive playing time before being judged as ready or not.
And being a Spurs fan, my best guess would be John Terry, or perhaps Bertrand , as he broke through.
Whether Chelsea are stockpiling or not, for their model it's a good way of doing things.
If it works out then they get a quality player on the cheap, if not then they haven't lost out much or could even sell on at a massive profit such was the case with De Bruyne.
Most youth products get loaned out, for experience. See Welbeck and Cleverley as pretty prime examples (please don't mention their levels of skill, it's irrelevant!)
"imagine we was all playing on a level playing field!"
You could easily be at the other end of the table, given I imagine your squad is more expensive than at least 14 teams in the League.
Jay, Darren
Arsenals 'model' is no different, or special than a lot of other sides. It's the norm now.
Wilshere, one season,bendtner,one season, vela one season after we tried to play him for 2-3 years and realised he wasn't good enough.
So John Terry for CFC, about 10-15 yrs ago.Bertrand not a regular so he doesn't count.
You just proved my point about CFC.
"imagine we was all playing on a level playing field!"
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i think most people do play on a level playing field, if not the groundsman isnt doing his job.
just a thought
Bertrand was signed from another club for big money (at the time for a 15-16 year old)
Didn't vela go on loan like 4 times?
And bendtner at least 3?
The point more with Chelsea, is that the youth development in a better way than arsenal, that will bring fruit (profit or players) very soon.
Also, my Chelsea knowledge isn't that of their fans, they may have players they bought young and now play...like arsenal
Dunc
Chelsea are a weird one, though. It's hard comparing them to other top clubs or Arsenal because the situations are so different.
Their youth system prior to Roman taking over, by all accounts, was pretty poor, so naturally they weren't going to have many, if any, coming through that were of the required standard.
Playing youth players for the sake of playing them at the competitive level that they've been at in that time is pointless.
Ten years later Chelsea have won of the best youth systems in the country as its been overhauled and maybe it'll start to bear fruit? Hard to say, but they've in the last few years they have been looking to sign younger talent rather than established players all the time, and maybe one or two from the actual youth system might make it?
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posted on 5/2/14
It's the squad value in terms of how much the playing staff cost to assemble isn't it?
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My take is that it's the current value of the players in each squad. Not how much each squad cost their respective clubs in terms of transfer fees.
posted on 5/2/14
Which is quite likely due to the fact that City, United and Chelsea all changed managers in the summer.
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I keep hearing this excuse, so do you guys expect City and CFC to run away with the title next year,due to their managers being settled in... ....and maybe spending another 100 mil in the summer?
posted on 5/2/14
Ramsey didn't come through the ranks, he was signed from Cadiff.
I wouldn't say signing a player from Poland and playing him in your youth team for a few years equates to coming through the ranks either, but even if you do it's only three players at Arsenal that have come through the ranks.
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
posted on 5/2/14
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
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Don't underestimate how hard that is, none of the top teams apart from us,LFC or Spurs seem to be doing it though.
posted on 5/2/14
It's exactly what Chelsea are doing...have you seen their loan list?
posted on 5/2/14
That's because the other top teams supplement buying young players with established players so that they can win trophies.
posted on 5/2/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 seconds ago
Ramsey didn't come through the ranks, he was signed from Cadiff.
I wouldn't say signing a player from Poland and playing him in your youth team for a few years equates to coming through the ranks either, but even if you do it's only three players at Arsenal that have come through the ranks.
So much for Arsenal's famed youth project - they are just good at snapping up other team's youngsters and developing them.
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You do know that Utds famed golden generation didn't come through at Utd either so. Giggs was 14, beckham was 15 and scholes was 16 when they joined Utd but they count as Utd youth?
At least we make some of our players
posted on 5/2/14
"These are official salaries we gathered from some trusted sources, so you can trust us on the figures as they are pretty accurate while we will be publishing series of Premier League teams Salaries on this site."
"Hello, is that Shiekh Mansour?"
"Yes"
"Good morning Your Highness, I'm putting together a website about players salaries. Could you tell me how much the City players are being paid - I know it's a closely guarded secret"
"No problem, I'll email them to you this afternoon"
"Brilliant, thanks a lot, laters"
posted on 5/2/14
It's exactly what Chelsea are doing...have you seen their loan list?
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No, they are stockpiling players and then selling them on when they can't make their squad. who was the last young player to step up in Chelsea?
posted on 5/2/14
"Net spend over the last 6-10 years for instance would give a far more accurate picture of how much has been pumped into a squad and where (in theory) they should be in terms of current success."
Why would it be more accurate to include players that potentially left the club 10 years ago in an attempt to gauge current success?
posted on 5/2/14
I didn't say you don't make some of your players. Just disagreed with the assertion that many came through the ranks.
posted on 5/2/14
No, they are stockpiling players and then selling them on when they can't make their squad. who was the last young player to step up in Chelsea?
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Isn't that just part of the process? The ones that don't make it are shipped out, and the successes make the team?
If Lukaku, or Bertrand or Piazon make it then they would be no different to Sczhesney or Wilshere.
If not, they're shipped out like Vela...
posted on 5/2/14
So Arsenal don't spend as much
But they don't win trophies
so that sounds right to me
posted on 5/2/14
I don't think anyone is particularly likely to trust an arbitrary valuation of players from a website that can't even spell valuable properly (see URL).
posted on 5/2/14
Isn't that just part of the process? The ones that don't make it are shipped out, and the successes make the team?
If Lukaku, or Bertrand or Piazon make it then they would be no different to Sczhesney or Wilshere.
If not, they're shipped out like Vela...
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Yeah, most teams do for one season then bring them back, not CFC, how long has Lukaku been on loan and also answer my original question, who was the last CFC player to step up?
posted on 5/2/14
How long was wilshere, or bendtner, or vela on loan?
It's more of a case that prospects get competitive playing time before being judged as ready or not.
And being a Spurs fan, my best guess would be John Terry, or perhaps Bertrand , as he broke through.
posted on 5/2/14
Whether Chelsea are stockpiling or not, for their model it's a good way of doing things.
If it works out then they get a quality player on the cheap, if not then they haven't lost out much or could even sell on at a massive profit such was the case with De Bruyne.
posted on 5/2/14
Most youth products get loaned out, for experience. See Welbeck and Cleverley as pretty prime examples (please don't mention their levels of skill, it's irrelevant!)
posted on 5/2/14
"imagine we was all playing on a level playing field!"
You could easily be at the other end of the table, given I imagine your squad is more expensive than at least 14 teams in the League.
posted on 5/2/14
Jay, Darren
Arsenals 'model' is no different, or special than a lot of other sides. It's the norm now.
posted on 5/2/14
Wilshere, one season,bendtner,one season, vela one season after we tried to play him for 2-3 years and realised he wasn't good enough.
So John Terry for CFC, about 10-15 yrs ago.Bertrand not a regular so he doesn't count.
You just proved my point about CFC.
posted on 5/2/14
"imagine we was all playing on a level playing field!"
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i think most people do play on a level playing field, if not the groundsman isnt doing his job.
just a thought
posted on 5/2/14
Bertrand was signed from another club for big money (at the time for a 15-16 year old)
posted on 5/2/14
Didn't vela go on loan like 4 times?
And bendtner at least 3?
The point more with Chelsea, is that the youth development in a better way than arsenal, that will bring fruit (profit or players) very soon.
Also, my Chelsea knowledge isn't that of their fans, they may have players they bought young and now play...like arsenal
posted on 5/2/14
Dunc
Chelsea are a weird one, though. It's hard comparing them to other top clubs or Arsenal because the situations are so different.
Their youth system prior to Roman taking over, by all accounts, was pretty poor, so naturally they weren't going to have many, if any, coming through that were of the required standard.
Playing youth players for the sake of playing them at the competitive level that they've been at in that time is pointless.
Ten years later Chelsea have won of the best youth systems in the country as its been overhauled and maybe it'll start to bear fruit? Hard to say, but they've in the last few years they have been looking to sign younger talent rather than established players all the time, and maybe one or two from the actual youth system might make it?
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