If its not an early goal we concede then its a brilliant save from Ali/Kel or an absolute sitter missed. You have to look at coaching with this aspect.

I think there's a really simple reason. We play extremely risky football. At times we have one defender back and it's not like we play possession football by design to stop it happening, it just works out that way due to how good the players are, the pressing from the front etc.

I love it though.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think there's a really simple reason. We play extremely risky football. At times we have one defender back and it's not like we play possession football by design to stop it happening, it just works out that way due to how good the players are, the pressing from the front etc.

I love it though.
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Nah, not for me. We give up a big, gilt edged chance in the first five mins pretty much every game.

That, to me, just screams carelessness and a lack of concentration.

Look at Shef Utd, should have scored in under two minutes and it took going behind to suddenly raise their levels. I’m all for confidence, arrogance? Not so much.

I don't think the Sheffield United one was any sort of trend though. It was just a long throw they got on the end of which dropped to their player. Could have happened in any minute.

Yeah many of the chances aren't simply down to playing risky football.

That Sheffield chance for example was from a throw in where both Gomez and Diaz just ball watched and didn't track the man.

Pretty inexcusable to be that switched off in the 2nd minute.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah many of the chances aren't simply down to playing risky football.

That Sheffield chance for example was from a throw in where both Gomez and Diaz just ball watched and didn't track the man.

Pretty inexcusable to be that switched off in the 2nd minute.
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Gomez tracked his man, however it went over his head and dropped to a Sheffield United player. Perhaps Diaz could have done better.

It was shiiiiit lackadaisical defending TOOR and it happens most matches. It just does.

Although I do think that's again part of the risk. Diaz is thinking about breaking out, rather than getting back in. We have huge success from defending corners in terms of countering with pace, creating dangerous attacks.

Well it’s a stupid risk and on Klopp then because it’s obviously not working well at the start of games. It’s not even a small sample size.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 17 seconds ago
Well it’s a stupid risk and on Klopp then because it’s obviously not working well at the start of games. It’s not even a small sample size.
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Perhaps but as I said, I love it. We score many more goals due to it than we conceded. In fact in the league we've conceded a goal a game but are scoring around 2.5 per game. I enjoy the risky game more than the more pragmatic approach Arsenal take or the possession based approach City take.

Yeah the chances we give up regularly early on in games are nothing to do with a risky style of play, its just switching off.

comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 2 seconds ago
Yeah the chances we give up regularly early on in games are nothing to do with a risky style of play, its just switching off.
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Yeah I disagree, I've seen enough of it. If we played a more pragmatic style we wouldn't give up those chances and it's not just early in games either, it's throughout the whole game. May come as a suppose to some but we've conceded much fewer early in games than we have conceded later in games.

Perhaps but as I said, I love it. We score many more goals due to it than we conceded.
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But we don’t in the first ten mins. That’s the point TOOR

That stat is horrific.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
Perhaps but as I said, I love it. We score many more goals due to it than we conceded.
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But we don’t in the first ten mins. That’s the point TOOR

That stat is horrific.
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But we do

We've conceded 4 goals in the first 10 minutes.

27% of our goals conceded are in the final 20 minutes. 13% in the first ten which means of course 87% not in the first ten.

Liverpool have played 50 games in all comps this season and gone 1-0 down in 20 of them.

On nine of those 20 occasions when Liverpool have gone 1-0 down, they've conceded the opening goal inside the first 15 minutes. Four times they've gone 1-0 down inside five minutes.
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But yeah we concede most in the final twenty.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
Liverpool have played 50 games in all comps this season and gone 1-0 down in 20 of them.

On nine of those 20 occasions when Liverpool have gone 1-0 down, they've conceded the opening goal inside the first 15 minutes. Four times they've gone 1-0 down inside five minutes.
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Ah, I don't have the 15 minutes stats, just 10. But yeah even if we take first twenty minutes it's 23%. Final twenty minutes is 27%.

I don't see any conceding in the final twenty minutes narrative.

It’s it’s a planned tactic it’s not working is it because we keep going behind early doors. It’s not even up for debate TOOR, it’s right there in black and white.

Personally I just think we start games too casually and it’s as simple as that

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
27% of our goals conceded are in the final 20 minutes. 13% in the first ten which means of course 87% not in the first ten.
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https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

First 15 minutes vs last 15 minutes is the same according to this, 6 each time.

2 scored in the first 15 minutes by us is horrendous as well, we are undeniably starting games in shiitt fashion.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
But yeah we concede most in the final twenty.
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Probably best to keep it tighter at the start then eh?

comment by Neo (U9135)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
27% of our goals conceded are in the final 20 minutes. 13% in the first ten which means of course 87% not in the first ten.
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https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england

First 15 minutes vs last 15 minutes is the same according to this, 6 each time.

2 scored in the first 15 minutes by us is horrendous as well, we are undeniably starting games in shiitt fashion.
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I agree, obviously as it can't be argued. I was more referring to the chances we're conceding and offering a reason for it and it's not just the first fifteen minutes, it happens throughout games.

I think in the last 15 minutes you can at least understand it though as players will be mentally/physically tired.

First 15 there is no such excuse, and it's been happening for 2+ years now.

Perhaps Klopp should be starting games more cautiously then because we clearly can't attack or defend in the first 15 minutes

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
But yeah we concede most in the final twenty.
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Probably best to keep it tighter at the start then eh?
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Probably or to score more. We used to score loads in the first fifteen. We've about two this season.