comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball (U1108)
posted 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
I think Matthews was spot on. Buttler had been warned and he didn't take notice of it so got what he deserved. Only way he will learn afterall what he was doing is a form of cheating.
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Its not cheating though is it. The batsmen has every right to leave his crease, just as the facing batsmen has every right to bat outside of his crease, they just run the risk of being run out. It is in no way cheating to walk out of you crease.
They were well within their rights to run him out. Its in the law so they had every right to do it. Is it in the spirit of the game? I don't think so.
When Senanayake ran him out, he entered the coil as if to bowl. Buttler was actually still in his crease up until the point that the bowler stopped, when he actually thought he was bowling the ball. To me, that is deliberately trying to catch him out and would class as unsporting. Whilst Buttler was silly, as he had been warned, to me, this is akin to a fielder pretending to throw the ball when he doesn't have it to stop a run. Most batsmen would have been caught out by this, not just Buttler.
This has the potential to become a trend and may lead to the game stopping and starting through bowlers trying to be 'clever'. Its frustrating, as I anticipate someone trying to copy this in the Birmingham League over the next few weeks, which may lead to an argument in one of our games.
If England want to get their own back, in the test series, when one of Sangakara or Jayawardene defend the ball and then go and pick it up to pass to the fielder, the whole of the England team should appeal for them to be out for handling the ball. I wonder if people taking the sole stance that it is in the rules of the game will take the same stance then?
If something according to rule of the game gets to labelled as 'unsporting' or 'against the spirit of law', then the whole sport is in danger of being labelled as 'hypocrite sport'.
So, what about using cleverness, or awaeness instead of unsporting?
What senanaike did is indeed very sporty , competitive, love of his team. The only thing I dont agree with is prior warning about such thing or umpire asking the captain to reconsider.
Give out when its out. Period.
I think it speaks volumes that Senanayake did not shake the England players hands at the end of the game, yet came out if the changing room after to celebrate the win with the team. He knew what he had done was controversial.
If I was Buttler, I would take it as a compliment that the Sri Lanka team felt they needed to do this. It shows how dangerous he is as a player.
I disagree that things shouldn't be labelled unsporting just because it's in the rules of the game. People shouldn't compromise their morals just because something is written on a piece of paper.
Senanayake has been reported to the ICC by the umpires from the game anyway for bowling a number of illegal deliveries where they believe the bend in his elbow exceeded 15 degrees.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/750353.html
A little gem from Andrew Hughes.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 20 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball (U1108)
posted 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
I think Matthews was spot on. Buttler had been warned and he didn't take notice of it so got what he deserved. Only way he will learn afterall what he was doing is a form of cheating.
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Its not cheating though is it. The batsmen has every right to leave his crease, just as the facing batsmen has every right to bat outside of his crease, they just run the risk of being run out. It is in no way cheating to walk out of you crease.
They were well within their rights to run him out. Its in the law so they had every right to do it. Is it in the spirit of the game? I don't think so.
When Senanayake ran him out, he entered the coil as if to bowl. Buttler was actually still in his crease up until the point that the bowler stopped, when he actually thought he was bowling the ball. To me, that is deliberately trying to catch him out and would class as unsporting. Whilst Buttler was silly, as he had been warned, to me, this is akin to a fielder pretending to throw the ball when he doesn't have it to stop a run. Most batsmen would have been caught out by this, not just Buttler.
This has the potential to become a trend and may lead to the game stopping and starting through bowlers trying to be 'clever'. Its frustrating, as I anticipate someone trying to copy this in the Birmingham League over the next few weeks, which may lead to an argument in one of our games.
If England want to get their own back, in the test series, when one of Sangakara or Jayawardene defend the ball and then go and pick it up to pass to the fielder, the whole of the England team should appeal for them to be out for handling the ball. I wonder if people taking the sole stance that it is in the rules of the game will take the same stance then?
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Lets get this into perspective.
If he handled the ball and passed it back..and Cook asked him not to do it and he was warned...
but then done it again.
I'd say fair enough
I think it speaks volumes that Senanayake did not shake the England players hands at the end of the game, yet came out if the changing room after to celebrate the win with the team. He knew what he had done was controversial.
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Do you know what was said on the pitch during the time??
Its speaks nothing if you dont know.
Terrible response fomr some of the ENgland fans on here.
Toys out pram.
That's a load of nonsense anyway... Cook starting finger pointing at Matthews and then bell chipped in.. Majority of England fielders didnt shake hands with the lankan batsmen. I'm guessing this poster either did watch the game, or is in denial.
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
If an England player had done the same thing I would still be stating its not in the spirit of the game. Just as I did not defend Broad's actions during the ashes.
I don't care what was said on the pitch at the time, it should have no bearing on whether Senanayake came down to shake the England players hands. If the England players didn't shake some of the Sri Lankan players hands then that poor form, but I will have to take your word for it as I don't scrutinise every hand shake at the end of every game, it was just noticeable that Senanayake was absent.
Do know every word that was said on the pitch at anytime Lefty? Would you be able to issue a transcript for us all, as you are obviously much more educated.
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
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With all due respect, No, I don't believe that you are entitled to your opinion actually. I think everyone is entitled to an INFORMED opinion, if the opinion stems from ignorance it's useless. In this case, you have your facts wrong mate and your opinions are based on something that didn't happen
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 minutes ago
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
If an England player had done the same thing I would still be stating its not in the spirit of the game. Just as I did not defend Broad's actions during the ashes.
I don't care what was said on the pitch at the time, it should have no bearing on whether Senanayake came down to shake the England players hands. If the England players didn't shake some of the Sri Lankan players hands then that poor form, but I will have to take your word for it as I don't scrutinise every hand shake at the end of every game, it was just noticeable that Senanayake was absent.
Do know every word that was said on the pitch at anytime Lefty? Would you be able to issue a transcript for us all, as you are obviously much more educated.
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No - hence I dident comment on the shaking hands part, but as you did, I was asking if you knew, as you clearly have an "unbiased" opinion.
I dont see what the issue is here, Butler was warned..he persisted on doing it.
What have I stated that is factually incorrect? Where did I state that all the England players shook hands with the Sri Lankan players? All I stated was that Senanayake did not come out of the dressing room with his team to shake hands, which is a fact.
I have never said my opinion isn't biased, I am an England fan so there will always be bias. You two will have a bias in any matter too, based on your principles or loyalties, you don't see me questioning any of that.
As for it being uniformed, I saw the incident and watched the game. I am entitled to form an opinion on that. After all, is that not what you have done?
As, both of you are unable to tell me what was said, on Afridi14's principles doesn't that make both your opinions uninformed and invalid. Doesn't that mean you cannot tell me I'm wrong and make you a hypocrit for doing so?
I love cricket, play semi-professionally, watch it whenever I can and go to three or four test matches a year but I never post on this board because it's dominated by know-it-all keyboard warriors such a yourselves who don't allow debate if it's not in keeping with what they think.
Not once have either of you offered a reasonable debate or stated why you have your opinions to me. Not once have you discussed the matter or looked at the matter from both sides. You have spend the whole time trying to discount my opinion rather telling me why you have yours. Maybe you have no reason or rational thought, who knows?
Tam,
I merely pointed out that some of the England players had left the field and were arguing with the lankans, hence full team hand shakes did not take place. Some did, but some didnt, including Senanayake.. Which is different to your interpretation which seems to indicate that he deliberately stayed off-field for avoidance. Don't think that happened.
You should contribute regularly on here... We need more cricket fans
I would come on here more often, however this is the second time I have come on here and both times I have been shouted down because I disagreed with someone.
I like debating things, I don't like being told I'm not entitled to an opinion on something that clearly divides people into two camps, just because I sit in a different one to other people.
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posted on 4/6/14
comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball (U1108)
posted 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
I think Matthews was spot on. Buttler had been warned and he didn't take notice of it so got what he deserved. Only way he will learn afterall what he was doing is a form of cheating.
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Its not cheating though is it. The batsmen has every right to leave his crease, just as the facing batsmen has every right to bat outside of his crease, they just run the risk of being run out. It is in no way cheating to walk out of you crease.
They were well within their rights to run him out. Its in the law so they had every right to do it. Is it in the spirit of the game? I don't think so.
When Senanayake ran him out, he entered the coil as if to bowl. Buttler was actually still in his crease up until the point that the bowler stopped, when he actually thought he was bowling the ball. To me, that is deliberately trying to catch him out and would class as unsporting. Whilst Buttler was silly, as he had been warned, to me, this is akin to a fielder pretending to throw the ball when he doesn't have it to stop a run. Most batsmen would have been caught out by this, not just Buttler.
This has the potential to become a trend and may lead to the game stopping and starting through bowlers trying to be 'clever'. Its frustrating, as I anticipate someone trying to copy this in the Birmingham League over the next few weeks, which may lead to an argument in one of our games.
If England want to get their own back, in the test series, when one of Sangakara or Jayawardene defend the ball and then go and pick it up to pass to the fielder, the whole of the England team should appeal for them to be out for handling the ball. I wonder if people taking the sole stance that it is in the rules of the game will take the same stance then?
posted on 5/6/14
If something according to rule of the game gets to labelled as 'unsporting' or 'against the spirit of law', then the whole sport is in danger of being labelled as 'hypocrite sport'.
So, what about using cleverness, or awaeness instead of unsporting?
What senanaike did is indeed very sporty , competitive, love of his team. The only thing I dont agree with is prior warning about such thing or umpire asking the captain to reconsider.
Give out when its out. Period.
posted on 5/6/14
I think it speaks volumes that Senanayake did not shake the England players hands at the end of the game, yet came out if the changing room after to celebrate the win with the team. He knew what he had done was controversial.
If I was Buttler, I would take it as a compliment that the Sri Lanka team felt they needed to do this. It shows how dangerous he is as a player.
I disagree that things shouldn't be labelled unsporting just because it's in the rules of the game. People shouldn't compromise their morals just because something is written on a piece of paper.
Senanayake has been reported to the ICC by the umpires from the game anyway for bowling a number of illegal deliveries where they believe the bend in his elbow exceeded 15 degrees.
posted on 5/6/14
http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/750353.html
A little gem from Andrew Hughes.
posted on 5/6/14
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 20 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball (U1108)
posted 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
I think Matthews was spot on. Buttler had been warned and he didn't take notice of it so got what he deserved. Only way he will learn afterall what he was doing is a form of cheating.
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Its not cheating though is it. The batsmen has every right to leave his crease, just as the facing batsmen has every right to bat outside of his crease, they just run the risk of being run out. It is in no way cheating to walk out of you crease.
They were well within their rights to run him out. Its in the law so they had every right to do it. Is it in the spirit of the game? I don't think so.
When Senanayake ran him out, he entered the coil as if to bowl. Buttler was actually still in his crease up until the point that the bowler stopped, when he actually thought he was bowling the ball. To me, that is deliberately trying to catch him out and would class as unsporting. Whilst Buttler was silly, as he had been warned, to me, this is akin to a fielder pretending to throw the ball when he doesn't have it to stop a run. Most batsmen would have been caught out by this, not just Buttler.
This has the potential to become a trend and may lead to the game stopping and starting through bowlers trying to be 'clever'. Its frustrating, as I anticipate someone trying to copy this in the Birmingham League over the next few weeks, which may lead to an argument in one of our games.
If England want to get their own back, in the test series, when one of Sangakara or Jayawardene defend the ball and then go and pick it up to pass to the fielder, the whole of the England team should appeal for them to be out for handling the ball. I wonder if people taking the sole stance that it is in the rules of the game will take the same stance then?
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Lets get this into perspective.
If he handled the ball and passed it back..and Cook asked him not to do it and he was warned...
but then done it again.
I'd say fair enough
posted on 5/6/14
I think it speaks volumes that Senanayake did not shake the England players hands at the end of the game, yet came out if the changing room after to celebrate the win with the team. He knew what he had done was controversial.
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Do you know what was said on the pitch during the time??
Its speaks nothing if you dont know.
Terrible response fomr some of the ENgland fans on here.
Toys out pram.
posted on 5/6/14
That's a load of nonsense anyway... Cook starting finger pointing at Matthews and then bell chipped in.. Majority of England fielders didnt shake hands with the lankan batsmen. I'm guessing this poster either did watch the game, or is in denial.
posted on 5/6/14
Didn't ***
posted on 5/6/14
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
If an England player had done the same thing I would still be stating its not in the spirit of the game. Just as I did not defend Broad's actions during the ashes.
I don't care what was said on the pitch at the time, it should have no bearing on whether Senanayake came down to shake the England players hands. If the England players didn't shake some of the Sri Lankan players hands then that poor form, but I will have to take your word for it as I don't scrutinise every hand shake at the end of every game, it was just noticeable that Senanayake was absent.
Do know every word that was said on the pitch at anytime Lefty? Would you be able to issue a transcript for us all, as you are obviously much more educated.
posted on 5/6/14
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
____________________________
With all due respect, No, I don't believe that you are entitled to your opinion actually. I think everyone is entitled to an INFORMED opinion, if the opinion stems from ignorance it's useless. In this case, you have your facts wrong mate and your opinions are based on something that didn't happen
posted on 5/6/14
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 minutes ago
I'm not in denial about anything. I am allowed an opinion that differs to yours.
If I don't think what happened is in the spirit of the game, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? I am allowed my principles and I stand by them.
If an England player had done the same thing I would still be stating its not in the spirit of the game. Just as I did not defend Broad's actions during the ashes.
I don't care what was said on the pitch at the time, it should have no bearing on whether Senanayake came down to shake the England players hands. If the England players didn't shake some of the Sri Lankan players hands then that poor form, but I will have to take your word for it as I don't scrutinise every hand shake at the end of every game, it was just noticeable that Senanayake was absent.
Do know every word that was said on the pitch at anytime Lefty? Would you be able to issue a transcript for us all, as you are obviously much more educated.
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No - hence I dident comment on the shaking hands part, but as you did, I was asking if you knew, as you clearly have an "unbiased" opinion.
I dont see what the issue is here, Butler was warned..he persisted on doing it.
posted on 5/6/14
What have I stated that is factually incorrect? Where did I state that all the England players shook hands with the Sri Lankan players? All I stated was that Senanayake did not come out of the dressing room with his team to shake hands, which is a fact.
I have never said my opinion isn't biased, I am an England fan so there will always be bias. You two will have a bias in any matter too, based on your principles or loyalties, you don't see me questioning any of that.
As for it being uniformed, I saw the incident and watched the game. I am entitled to form an opinion on that. After all, is that not what you have done?
As, both of you are unable to tell me what was said, on Afridi14's principles doesn't that make both your opinions uninformed and invalid. Doesn't that mean you cannot tell me I'm wrong and make you a hypocrit for doing so?
I love cricket, play semi-professionally, watch it whenever I can and go to three or four test matches a year but I never post on this board because it's dominated by know-it-all keyboard warriors such a yourselves who don't allow debate if it's not in keeping with what they think.
Not once have either of you offered a reasonable debate or stated why you have your opinions to me. Not once have you discussed the matter or looked at the matter from both sides. You have spend the whole time trying to discount my opinion rather telling me why you have yours. Maybe you have no reason or rational thought, who knows?
posted on 5/6/14
Tam,
I merely pointed out that some of the England players had left the field and were arguing with the lankans, hence full team hand shakes did not take place. Some did, but some didnt, including Senanayake.. Which is different to your interpretation which seems to indicate that he deliberately stayed off-field for avoidance. Don't think that happened.
You should contribute regularly on here... We need more cricket fans
posted on 5/6/14
I would come on here more often, however this is the second time I have come on here and both times I have been shouted down because I disagreed with someone.
I like debating things, I don't like being told I'm not entitled to an opinion on something that clearly divides people into two camps, just because I sit in a different one to other people.
posted on 5/6/14
Fair enough
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