comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 seconds ago
Vidichin - I say what i see. I base my opinions on watching both players on a regular basis. I don't just go on stats but like I said if you wanted to go on goals scored then RVP beats him 3 out of the last 4. RVP was massive in us winning the league 12/13. Yes Rooney may well have been our best player last season. Where did that get us? He was played further up the pitch last season yet mustered only 1 goal more than RVP despite playing 12 games more.
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And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal. And you wonder why he is shifted about.

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 51 seconds ago
Vidichin - I say what i see.

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Then, because the statistical evidence totally destroys what you say, I suggest a trip to 'spec savers' tout de suite.

If not, then football really isn't a sport you understand.

Help me out here, what do you have
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My own opinion

If Ferguson was the England manager, Rooney's position will be under threat.

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Do you know this for a fact. Hopefully you have a link to SAF saying this.

Again vidichin you are basing your whole debate on stats. You sound like a broken record.

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Vidichin - I say what i see. I base my opinions on watching both players on a regular basis. I don't just go on stats but like I said if you wanted to go on goals scored then RVP beats him 3 out of the last 4. RVP was massive in us winning the league 12/13. Yes Rooney may well have been our best player last season. Where did that get us? He was played further up the pitch last season
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He was not played further forward last season

He played at 10, as usual. Only on the odd occassion late in the season did Mata play there.

Rooney actually dropped into midfield a fair bit during games last season

So how is he a better all round performer than RVP?
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Because he is able to play in more positions

As forwards, there is little in it

As an all round player, Rooney has more

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 59 seconds ago
Help me out here, what do you have
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My own opinion

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But zilch, yadda, bu gger all, diddley squat, to back it up.

If Ferguson was the England manager, Rooney's position will be under threat
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What the hell are you basing that on? One game against madrid?

Unbelievable

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If Ferguson was the England manager, Rooney's position will be under threat.

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Do you know this for a fact. Hopefully you have a link to SAF saying this.
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`No I do not. But I remember him being dropped by the same man for the Madrid game after similar dire performances.

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 seconds ago
Vidichin - I say what i see. I base my opinions on watching both players on a regular basis. I don't just go on stats but like I said if you wanted to go on goals scored then RVP beats him 3 out of the last 4. RVP was massive in us winning the league 12/13. Yes Rooney may well have been our best player last season. Where did that get us? He was played further up the pitch last season yet mustered only 1 goal more than RVP despite playing 12 games more.
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And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal. And you wonder why he is shifted about.
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You think he is shifted about because as a forward, he doesn't produce?

I'm amazed you can type that with a straight face

FFS, even Hodgson thought Sterling will be a better option than rooney in the 10 position
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presumably you will take that back should Rooney be played at 10 tonight?

now let's all be honest here, if england had RVP would sturridge start on top and RVP be shifted to the wing? anyone who thinks rooney is equal to RVP in terms of quality is just being biased. You can pull all the stats you want but please lets not do this to ourselves, i know some here like to defend rooney because of some of the unfounded and unnecessary criticism he suffers from the media and thats ok but he being on the same level as RVP? seriously?

And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal.

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Well it isn't actually.

Rooney did not play up top for huge parts of the season.

comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 seconds ago
Vidichin - I say what i see. I base my opinions on watching both players on a regular basis. I don't just go on stats but like I said if you wanted to go on goals scored then RVP beats him 3 out of the last 4. RVP was massive in us winning the league 12/13. Yes Rooney may well have been our best player last season. Where did that get us? He was played further up the pitch last season yet mustered only 1 goal more than RVP despite playing 12 games more.
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And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal. And you wonder why he is shifted about.
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You think he is shifted about because as a forward, he doesn't produce?

I'm amazed you can type that with a straight face
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And you think he does? Because if he did produce to the level a world class manager such as Ferguson deemed fit, I doubt he will be moved about consistently. You can come and say it because he is versatile, but if he was world class at what he does, don't think he will need shifting. Why would I not say it with a straight face?

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If Ferguson was the England manager, Rooney's position will be under threat.

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Do you know this for a fact. Hopefully you have a link to SAF saying this.
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`No I do not. But I remember him being dropped by the same man for the Madrid game after similar dire performances.
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OMG I was right

comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 1 minute ago
FFS, even Hodgson thought Sterling will be a better option than rooney in the 10 position
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presumably you will take that back should Rooney be played at 10 tonight?
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Why will I? It is something to be expected from Hodgson. Sterling should keep his place, as he was our best player. Rooney, Gerrard, Henderson were all diabolical and should be dropped.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 59 seconds ago
Help me out here, what do you have
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My own opinion

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But zilch, yadda, bu gger all, diddley squat, to back it up.

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And your whole argument is. 'Well Rooney has out scored RVP 7 out if 10 seasons' blah blah blah.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 25 seconds ago
And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal.

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Well it isn't actually.

Rooney did not play up top for huge parts of the season.
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Haha and you are the one accused of not watching us

Rooney played in the 10 position for most of it as you say

Maybe we imagined posters complaining about it wanting Mata playing there instead of on the right

You can pull all the stats you want but please lets not do this to ourselves

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The stas back up the fact that there really isn't much between them.

I saId this earlier, so I will repeat it for you.

For every clip you can show me of technical brilliance of RVP's goal scoring , I can show you the same of Rooney.

And I can do this because my memory of Rooney is more than three years old.

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 seconds ago
Vidichin - I say what i see. I base my opinions on watching both players on a regular basis. I don't just go on stats but like I said if you wanted to go on goals scored then RVP beats him 3 out of the last 4. RVP was massive in us winning the league 12/13. Yes Rooney may well have been our best player last season. Where did that get us? He was played further up the pitch last season yet mustered only 1 goal more than RVP despite playing 12 games more.
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And that there is factual. Played on top, scored only 1 more goal. And you wonder why he is shifted about.
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You think he is shifted about because as a forward, he doesn't produce?

I'm amazed you can type that with a straight face
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And you think he does?
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I don't think he does no

I know he does

I would say he is actually fairly productive as a forward player.

Averaging double figure assists and nearly 25 goals a season, for the last 5 seasons, suggest he is reasonably productive

being a United fan, I thought you would be aware of that

Rooney was played upfront a hell of a lot actually. Yes at times he was pushed back into midfield. Why I don't know

Oh and vidichin another one to add to your stats as I know you love em. RVP has scored 7 more goals in 7 less internationals

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 40 seconds ago
You can pull all the stats you want but please lets not do this to ourselves

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The stas back up the fact that there really isn't much between them.

I saId this earlier, so I will repeat it for you.

For every clip you can show me of technical brilliance of RVP's goal scoring , I can show you the same of Rooney.

And I can do this because my memory of Rooney is more than three years old.
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So vc, there is not much between Ruud Vanistelrooy and Henry?

And your whole argument is. 'Well Rooney has out scored RVP 7 out if 10 seasons.

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It isn't my whole argument, as you would know if you had read all the thread, instead of jumpping in head first and making a fool of yourself.

Your last comment 'No I do not. But I remember him being dropped by the same man for the Madrid game after similar dire performances' was hysterical.

i remember when people on this board said rooney was the better player than suarez, don't read a lot of that stuff these days, just yesterday one of the most colourful posters here called costa overrated before he could even kick a ball for chelsea i hope he doesn't get egg on his face soon like the way people here have had it with suarez.