I'm not sure if Arsenal have indiscipline that different to most other teams. They should win the home leg comfortably.
Our indiscipline was in full flow at 2-0 down during the FA Cup final. We just lost our fackin heads. My only surprise is that we didn't have more players sent off.
While you are entitled to your opinion the stats don’t seem to support it.
Arsenal placed 2nd in the Fair Play League last year (behind Liverpool) so unsure how you can describe Arsenal as “undisciplined”
Villa were 18th.
Also - One of your examples is from 6 years ago
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad
After ten barren years, the odds alone meant that it was only a matter of time before you lifted a trophy.
Beating Wigan and then Hull in the final does not necessarily constitute a turnaround in attitude, as opposed to simply having superior outfit.
Most Arsenal fans, if they are honest, were questioning their own club's frailties in the first half, so it is not just neutrals that recognise it.
"comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 minutes ago
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad"
Whilst that is a fair and accurate point, the buck must stop with the manager. The DNA of the club runs from the top down. Although I haven't checked the news since yesterday, the last time I did, Arsene Wenger was still in charge
Where was Liverpool's discipline against Palace and Chelsea? Where was Chelsea's against Sunderland and Palace?
Honestly, please just round it off and say our defence is our weak point
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 7 seconds ago
"comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 minutes ago
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad"
Whilst that is a fair and accurate point, the buck must stop with the manager. The DNA of the club runs from the top down. Although I haven't checked the news since yesterday, the last time I did, Arsene Wenger was still in charge
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So why didn't Brendan Rodgers train Stevie G how to not slip and lose his side the title?
Poor management.
"Where was Liverpool's discipline against Palace and Chelsea? Where was Chelsea's against Sunderland and Palace"
I wholeheartedly agree, and would not be opposed to an article outlining as such.
Fill yer boots!
My point is, kind sir, that you seem to be singling Arsenal out for lack of discipline when they have just won a trophy.....yet there are the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea whose own indiscipline has cost them trophies very recently.
Overall i think we are pretty well disciplined, especially compared to the Gallas days. That was Rambo's first ever red card. If he's indisciplined then so is every other player
Following a 0-0 draw at Besiktas
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Besiktas came out all guns blazing, showing no remorse. Their passing was accurate and organised with the home support absolutely up for it.
We missed (sorry Giroud) missed a few chances, and the Ox came close to scoring even when we were down to 9 men.
I fail to see what the problem is other than Arsenal fans seeing Giroud waste chances again while thinking 'please don't let us go into the new season with him as our first choice CF'
The Arsenal game is more relevant as it has just happened, so I am merely expressing my thoughts on where their downfall might be.
As it is, I think they should win at a canter, and as you have pointed out, even if they have their backs to the wall, they can still come out of it.
Don't misunderstand me, I'd love to sit here and claim that the only reason Villa can't win the league is lack of discipline! At the end of the day, we have much bigger problems than that.
My point is that with Arsenal, it is more a mental issue than a technical one.
Our only lack of discipline is our failure to CANE Giroud.
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree with you but i respect your opinion and wish you a fantastic day
And people always fail to see the positives. Our defence, even though it wasn't first choice with a few players out were solid. This is an immense improvement over previous seasons and look at Chambers! He looks like he has been playing with the team for years.
But no, lets just focus on how shiiiiit we are because we drew a game.
To be fair, he's a Villa fan so the way he views us isn't really a reflection on how we should view the team.
Villain of the Peace
In regard to the FA Cup if you look at the teams Arsenal defeated to reach the final it was a remarkable achievement.
Furthermore with the pressure on the players to deliver silverware, to go two goals down, (to any club) and then come back and win the game demonstrated a great deal of character.
If the indiscipline at the club was as inherent as you seem to believe, the cup would now reside in Hull.
In reference to the CL qualifier I have no concerns in regard to the result and qualification. Besiktas are a poor side. Especially away from home.
It's the fact that you drew the game the leaves the tie in the balance. If you WERE to get eliminated, believe me, you guys would be looking back over the two legs to find out why and to apportion blame.
If you go out on away goals (for example), you won't be lauding your defence and using the excuse that you had players out (any more than fans of any other club would)
I have tried to pre-empt it, that's all.
comment by Chamakh my pitch up (U6360)
posted 5 minutes ago
*10 men* lol
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no 9 sounds about right with that post up front.
@What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
I agree (and indeed pointed this out further up), but getting it right for one competition out of 30(?) doesn't, for me personally, resolve the issue.
A club of Arsenal's stature should not be looking at the FA Cup as a remarkable achievement because they beat some other teams in the same league en route.
Now if Villa managed that, it WOULD be an achievement!
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 1 minute ago
It's the fact that you drew the game the leaves the tie in the balance. If you WERE to get eliminated, believe me, you guys would be looking back over the two legs to find out why and to apportion blame.
If you go out on away goals (for example), you won't be lauding your defence and using the excuse that you had players out (any more than fans of any other club would)
I have tried to pre-empt it, that's all.
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Your first choice striker is better than ours.
That's what will cost us if we go out
no 9 sounds about right with that post up front.
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With the amount of time he gave the ball away we could even say 9 against 12.
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 1 minute ago
@What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
I agree (and indeed pointed this out further up), but getting it right for one competition out of 30(?) doesn't, for me personally, resolve the issue.
A club of Arsenal's stature should not be looking at the FA Cup as a remarkable achievement because they beat some other teams in the same league en route.
Now if Villa managed that, it WOULD be an achievement!
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I think we all know that 1 trophy in 9 years isn't good enough. But surely anyone with any psychological knowledge/awareness knows how much of a boost/trigger for further success that one trophy will have been?
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posted on 22/8/14
I'm not sure if Arsenal have indiscipline that different to most other teams. They should win the home leg comfortably.
posted on 22/8/14
Our indiscipline was in full flow at 2-0 down during the FA Cup final. We just lost our fackin heads. My only surprise is that we didn't have more players sent off.
posted on 22/8/14
While you are entitled to your opinion the stats don’t seem to support it.
Arsenal placed 2nd in the Fair Play League last year (behind Liverpool) so unsure how you can describe Arsenal as “undisciplined”
Villa were 18th.
posted on 22/8/14
Also - One of your examples is from 6 years ago
posted on 22/8/14
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad
posted on 22/8/14
After ten barren years, the odds alone meant that it was only a matter of time before you lifted a trophy.
Beating Wigan and then Hull in the final does not necessarily constitute a turnaround in attitude, as opposed to simply having superior outfit.
Most Arsenal fans, if they are honest, were questioning their own club's frailties in the first half, so it is not just neutrals that recognise it.
posted on 22/8/14
"comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 minutes ago
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad"
Whilst that is a fair and accurate point, the buck must stop with the manager. The DNA of the club runs from the top down. Although I haven't checked the news since yesterday, the last time I did, Arsene Wenger was still in charge
posted on 22/8/14
Where was Liverpool's discipline against Palace and Chelsea? Where was Chelsea's against Sunderland and Palace?
Honestly, please just round it off and say our defence is our weak point
posted on 22/8/14
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 7 seconds ago
"comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 minutes ago
Only Rosicky,Diaby, Flamini and Walcott remain from that squad"
Whilst that is a fair and accurate point, the buck must stop with the manager. The DNA of the club runs from the top down. Although I haven't checked the news since yesterday, the last time I did, Arsene Wenger was still in charge
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So why didn't Brendan Rodgers train Stevie G how to not slip and lose his side the title?
Poor management.
posted on 22/8/14
"Where was Liverpool's discipline against Palace and Chelsea? Where was Chelsea's against Sunderland and Palace"
I wholeheartedly agree, and would not be opposed to an article outlining as such.
Fill yer boots!
posted on 22/8/14
My point is, kind sir, that you seem to be singling Arsenal out for lack of discipline when they have just won a trophy.....yet there are the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea whose own indiscipline has cost them trophies very recently.
Overall i think we are pretty well disciplined, especially compared to the Gallas days. That was Rambo's first ever red card. If he's indisciplined then so is every other player
posted on 22/8/14
Following a 0-0 draw at Besiktas
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Besiktas came out all guns blazing, showing no remorse. Their passing was accurate and organised with the home support absolutely up for it.
We missed (sorry Giroud) missed a few chances, and the Ox came close to scoring even when we were down to 9 men.
I fail to see what the problem is other than Arsenal fans seeing Giroud waste chances again while thinking 'please don't let us go into the new season with him as our first choice CF'
posted on 22/8/14
*10 men* lol
posted on 22/8/14
The Arsenal game is more relevant as it has just happened, so I am merely expressing my thoughts on where their downfall might be.
As it is, I think they should win at a canter, and as you have pointed out, even if they have their backs to the wall, they can still come out of it.
Don't misunderstand me, I'd love to sit here and claim that the only reason Villa can't win the league is lack of discipline! At the end of the day, we have much bigger problems than that.
My point is that with Arsenal, it is more a mental issue than a technical one.
posted on 22/8/14
Our only lack of discipline is our failure to CANE Giroud.
posted on 22/8/14
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree with you but i respect your opinion and wish you a fantastic day
posted on 22/8/14
And people always fail to see the positives. Our defence, even though it wasn't first choice with a few players out were solid. This is an immense improvement over previous seasons and look at Chambers! He looks like he has been playing with the team for years.
But no, lets just focus on how shiiiiit we are because we drew a game.
posted on 22/8/14
To be fair, he's a Villa fan so the way he views us isn't really a reflection on how we should view the team.
posted on 22/8/14
Villain of the Peace
In regard to the FA Cup if you look at the teams Arsenal defeated to reach the final it was a remarkable achievement.
Furthermore with the pressure on the players to deliver silverware, to go two goals down, (to any club) and then come back and win the game demonstrated a great deal of character.
If the indiscipline at the club was as inherent as you seem to believe, the cup would now reside in Hull.
In reference to the CL qualifier I have no concerns in regard to the result and qualification. Besiktas are a poor side. Especially away from home.
posted on 22/8/14
It's the fact that you drew the game the leaves the tie in the balance. If you WERE to get eliminated, believe me, you guys would be looking back over the two legs to find out why and to apportion blame.
If you go out on away goals (for example), you won't be lauding your defence and using the excuse that you had players out (any more than fans of any other club would)
I have tried to pre-empt it, that's all.
posted on 22/8/14
comment by Chamakh my pitch up (U6360)
posted 5 minutes ago
*10 men* lol
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no 9 sounds about right with that post up front.
posted on 22/8/14
@What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
I agree (and indeed pointed this out further up), but getting it right for one competition out of 30(?) doesn't, for me personally, resolve the issue.
A club of Arsenal's stature should not be looking at the FA Cup as a remarkable achievement because they beat some other teams in the same league en route.
Now if Villa managed that, it WOULD be an achievement!
posted on 22/8/14
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 1 minute ago
It's the fact that you drew the game the leaves the tie in the balance. If you WERE to get eliminated, believe me, you guys would be looking back over the two legs to find out why and to apportion blame.
If you go out on away goals (for example), you won't be lauding your defence and using the excuse that you had players out (any more than fans of any other club would)
I have tried to pre-empt it, that's all.
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Your first choice striker is better than ours.
That's what will cost us if we go out
posted on 22/8/14
no 9 sounds about right with that post up front.
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With the amount of time he gave the ball away we could even say 9 against 12.
posted on 22/8/14
comment by Villain of the Peace (U19898)
posted 1 minute ago
@What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
I agree (and indeed pointed this out further up), but getting it right for one competition out of 30(?) doesn't, for me personally, resolve the issue.
A club of Arsenal's stature should not be looking at the FA Cup as a remarkable achievement because they beat some other teams in the same league en route.
Now if Villa managed that, it WOULD be an achievement!
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I think we all know that 1 trophy in 9 years isn't good enough. But surely anyone with any psychological knowledge/awareness knows how much of a boost/trigger for further success that one trophy will have been?
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