Very true.

Unfortunately for this forum we are stuck with some people that have personal issues but know very little about the issue they have a personal problem with.

Drunken Hobo (U7360) wandered about the social networks desperately trying to convince himself that he had something intelligent to say.

Doomed to failure of course.

He then got shipwrecked on the F1 section of JA606 desperately looking for a subject that he could convince himself that he could actually convince himself he knew something about.

Doomed to failure of course.

Drunken Hobo (U7360) read in the newspapers that Sebastian Vettel, a driver that he had never heard of, had won his 4th WDC. Go with that he thought. “Says it all” he proclaimed. “

Lewis Hamilton “cannot drive around problems” he declared.

What problems I asked.

Try asking Drunken Hobo (U7360) to back up anything. He can't.

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think it's just followed the pattern of every Hamilton season since his début. Some people really, really over-hype him, then when he doesn't absolutely dominate as they expect, they start to make excuses for him. Whether it be "luck", favouritism, sabotage or even racism, there's always some excuse as to why he didn't lap everybody twice.

He's a good driver, but he's really not that special. The sooner people can accept that, the better.
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alot of commonsense in your post hobo -- the truth of it is hamilton came along at the right time for the younger generation in this country with his obvious good looks and gung ho demeanor in the car ,
he also lucked into the right car for 2007 in the dumbed down fuel stop formula that suited his abilities and so the over hype in this country began ,
he was also aided by the fact that alonso his team mate for 07 was never really happy in the oversteering mp4/22 and his transition from michelin rubber to the bridgestone which of course made lewis look better than he actually was --- and of course the rest is history

but in reality for 2008 he could not really lose such was the advantage of his mp4/23 and his hopeless team mate

------- fraid to say after 08 the stark reality of it is he has very much been a mixed bag of mistakes , excuses , petulant behaviour , but of course he at times like all the top drivers on the grid has been impressive so by definition he is of course worthy of the top machines he has very often had in his F1 career to date

------- - but as you say vastly over hyped by the younger generation in this country and from what i have seen a long , long way from ever being an all time great as his younger fans would have had us believe all those years ago when they were creaming themselves back in 2007 at the young good looking role model that they had all been waiting for so long to come along --

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
No, because I don't have a crystal ball that can see alternate realities.
His "bad luck" in Hungary later transpired into some very good "luck", but will anybody admit that?
Whose to say what would have happened had his brakes not failed at Hockenheim, perhaps he would have crashed out at the first corner.

You simply can't pretend to know what would have happened. F1 does not follow some strict mathematical formula that predicts outcomes, and if you expect that to be the case, you're following the wrong sport. Go and watch some rained out T20 cricket matches if that's your thing.
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So hobo, ur a facts and figures man, who wont delve into the what ifs.

Ok then, the facts

30 odd wins
1 wdc
Numerous poles positions
Beat a double world champion in his rookie year
Has won more races this year than anyother driver
Is one of the highest paid drivers

Truth is, if u had to employ 2 drivers to drive for hobo racing plc in next years wdc, id hazard a guess hed be in the majority of peoples top 3

Just when I thought martial had turned a corner, we have more guff posted.

That's it, I've had enough.

comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Just when I thought martial had turned a corner, we have more guff posted.

That's it, I've had enough.
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come on manx -- dont be like that mate , it is a harmless F1 forum and we are all allowed to have our own harmless honest opinions about whatever drivers we choose

----- you have your opinions about various drivers and you are entitled to those opinions and nobody including me begrudges you those opinions
--------- allow me to have mine

BWFCCLEGG - I have absolutely no trouble in saying that Hamilton is a good racing driver. Very good even. But he's not special as far as top F1 drivers go. He's good at his job, a worthy one-time World Champion, but that's it.
I think in decades to come, he won't be remembered like Hakkinen, Schumacher, Alonso or Vettel. Much like how Brabham, Fangio & Stewart are all household names, but Phil Hill is more likely to pop up as a pub trivia question.

Drunken Hobo, lets be honest and realistic here, Vettel will be remembered in history as "that guy who only got his 4 titles because of the car", lets look at the facts of it here. He's had 1 win in a car that shouldn't really have been capable of winning a race by it's very design, and that was Monza 2008. Now lets compare that to Hamilton... Hungary and Singapore (2009), Turkey, Canada and Belgium (2010). Before you argue that 2010 was a race winning car, all the MP4-25 had was the f-duct, otherwise it was shocking through fast speed corners compared to other cars i.e. Red Bull and Ferrari.

Otherwise lets look at other factors, Rosberg isn't the golden boy that people like to think he is, remember Bahrain 2012? You can't go blasting at Hamilton for apparently pushing Rosberg off the track in Hungary when Rosberg's done that himself.

But hey, we can't really make those assumptions without bias until we see both drivers in equal machinery racing without team orders. Only then will we see which is the better racer, my money goes on Hamilton personally. It's all down to opinion, but here's food for thought, you said in an earlier comment on this thread that "I think Rosberg is just completely fed up of having to be the one who yields & giving Hamilton an advantage." If he was that good then surely he shouldn't be behind Hamilton in the first place?

The following people have been world champions in the dumbed down fuel era;

Ayrton Senna
Michael Schumacher
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkonen

They must all be crap I guess.

Furthermore, F1 is still start and stop, we have not eliminated pitstops just the fuel. So it is still start and stop.

In this super intelligent era, the only person who has won more races than Hamilton is Vettel.

Now we have some of the most complex cars built and we were told by numerous experts including our forum expert that the intelligent drivers will perform and the dummies will fail.

Again, Hamilton has won the most races.

I am more than happy to admit Hamilton lets his emotions get the better of him, something he admits.

I am more than happy to acknowledge he is far from the finished article.

However no one on the grid bar Alonso is on his level. Not a single driver and he has proven that throughout his career even through the lower formulae.

It is tragic that people's hatred for the guy clouds their judgement.

It is even more comical to suggest a double world champion was struggling with an oversteering Mclaren and bridgestone tyres but could have won the title in his first season with Mclaren but for his own shenanigans but a rookie, fresh into the sport was not struggling with the same oversteering mclaren, car at a level he had never driven at or tyres he had never used.

I swear the amount of absolute nonsense posted by some people on this board is unbelievable.

Yes we are all entitled to opinions but the way these opinions are formulated indicate an incredible bias or a complete lack of knowledge

I am more than happy to admit Hamilton lets his emotions get the better of him, something he admits.

I am more than happy to acknowledge he is far from the finished article.

However no one on the grid bar Alonso is on his level. Not a single driver and he has proven that throughout his career even through the lower formulae.

It is tragic that people's hatred for the guy clouds their judgement.
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Agree with every word

Well said

Greg - I'm not arguing that Rosberg is a saint, that he's a great driver or that he's better than Hamilton. I did criticise Rosberg for pushing Alonso at Bahrain, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Your judgement for how good a driver seems to be a really specific one, and one that very conveniently favours Hamilton.
To say the 2010 McLaren wasn't a race-winning car is simply dishonest & factually incorrect - it won 5 races - more than 25% of the races that season. That's the same number of races Vettel & Alonso each won that season! The 2009 McLaren wasn't a good car, but improved significantly as the season went on, whilst the Brawn's dominance badly waned. An average car, but not exactly a Toro Rosso! Hamilton's wins were still impressive in an otherwise poor season, but if your best example of how good Hamilton is comes from 2 races 5 years ago, you're clutching at straws.

If Hamilton was really as good as people like to pretend, they simply wouldn't need to dig up such obscure points to try and prove it.
If he was as good as they said, they're probably have some really impressive stats, like 4 consecutive World Championships, a 9-race victory streak and breaking records for being the youngest driver at almost everything. Now that'd be one hell of a driver, and only a complete fool would deny otherwise.

Who was the previous youngest world champion before Seb?

No one is digging up obscure points to praise Hamilton, the facts are there for all to see.

If you are using stats to judge the quality of an F1 driver, then Vettel is greater than Fangio, Senna, Alonso, Prost, Schumi et al. What a daft comment to make considering how Vettel is currently being schooled by a rookie.

Only an imbecile with minuscule knowledge about F1 would make such a statement.

I think the fact that Hamilton seems to have had more mis fortune with reliability sofar this season yet has still won more races than anyone else is a big positive for him.

His car failed at Aus whilst on pole and he has just been taken out of the lead of a race by his team mate.

Neither of these dnf's were caused by Hamiltons actions yet probably have cost him 50 WC points.

Rosberg has made mistakes at both Monaco and Spa which have led to him gaining an advantage over his title rival.

This isnt my opinion this is hard cold facts.

Drunken Hobo, Im not clutching at straws or trying to score silly points, it's blatantly obvious that you're not a Hamilton fan, and it's fair to say it's blatantly obvious Im not a Vettel fan.

I'm not a Vettel fan because the majority of his Formula One wins (including 9 straight victories) and his Championships in 2011, 2012 and 2013 were down to a superior car, much like Jenson Button when his Brawn was above the rest with the Double Diffuser. The only championship I feel Vettel earned down to his driving alone was 2010. And to say the 2009 McLaren wasn't as bad as Im suggesting is ridiculous, it started the season 5 seconds off the pace, the Toro Rosso wasn't that bad in 2008.

Interesting to draw comparison that after everyone else caught up and the playing field was level again in 2009, Button never won another race with Brawn, now this season the playing field is leveling out (albiet engine power aside), even with the great Adrian Newey at his side, Vettel isn't winning anymore.

comment by Greg Rugby And F1 (U4521)
posted 2 minutes ago
Drunken Hobo, Im not clutching at straws or trying to score silly points, it's blatantly obvious that you're not a Hamilton fan, and it's fair to say it's blatantly obvious Im not a Vettel fan.

I'm not a Vettel fan because the majority of his Formula One wins (including 9 straight victories) and his Championships in 2011, 2012 and 2013 were down to a superior car, much like Jenson Button when his Brawn was above the rest with the Double Diffuser. The only championship I feel Vettel earned down to his driving alone was 2010. And to say the 2009 McLaren wasn't as bad as Im suggesting is ridiculous, it started the season 5 seconds off the pace, the Toro Rosso wasn't that bad in 2008.

Interesting to draw comparison that after everyone else caught up and the playing field was level again in 2009, Button never won another race with Brawn, now this season the playing field is leveling out (albiet engine power aside), even with the great Adrian Newey at his side, Vettel isn't winning anymore.
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Meanwhile Ricciardo is but somehow we are to believe that the all conquering supremo is great.

I have never seen a rookie dominate a world champion like this

Ricciardo is totally dominating his multiple and current world champion team mate.

I am surprised to say the least.

I read an article in pre-season in which Vettel was quoted as saying something along the lines of it would be a disaster for him if he were to be beaten by his team mate this season.

Alonso said something similar and I'm paraphrasing. He said when he does not have the best car and he is finishing 5th/6th etc. Those titles will be a mill around his neck.

The jury is in, we had a manufactured champion who even with more testing time, more input into the car design is unable to perform in it.

That is a damning verdict of the abilities of the champion. Truly damning

Damning indeed.

Vettel was already established in the team and totally familiar and comfortable in his surroundings, Riccardo has had to adapt to a new car and team then was disqualified from his first race for his new team. He could have been even further ahead.

If Vettel can't turn this situation around soon he wont be in RedBull for long.

Even Marko was telling him to stop whining and get on with it.

Greg - Mark Webber never once finished 2nd in the Championship as Vettel's team mate, therefore all of Vettel's titles must have been down to the driver.

The McLaren may have started way off the pace, but Hamilton didn't win or even score many points during that period. It was only once it had caught up significantly that he could challenge. Again though, I'm not denying he did well to win those races.

Vettel isn't doing a very good job this season. It's obvious he's not a fan of the car and has had his fair share of reliability issues, but he's also not driving anywhere near his best. But this in no way diminishes his 4 World Championships.
Ricciardo however has been very, very impressive. It could be that Red Bull's driver program has produced a talent even greater than Vettel. It's too early to judge, but Ricciardo could genuinely be a future great.
However, I'd wager all my money that if he wins the Championship for the next 4 seasons in a Red Bull, some of the people who are now singing his praises will bitterly claim "he's not that good really".
I've seen that happen before, that's for sure. Twice.

Difference between Riccardo this season and Vettel in the previous 3 is the fact that Vettel was in a car that was clearly head and shoulders above the rest.

Also Riccardo is up against a world champion team mate where Vettel was up against a driver seeing out the end of his career.

*Ricciardo

The 2010 & 2012 Red Bull certainly wasn't "head and shoulders" above the rest.

2011 & 2013 cars were dominant, but you still need a driver capable of dominating.