He gets a little over 2 million per year. Say we increase his pay by a little with a new contract whereby he gets about 3 million a year. we then sell him next summer for £8m for example.

Man Utd profit = £8m

If we keep him on his current wages we pay him £2.08 million for the next year in wages. And no incomes received when we release him.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Still adds up.

Why risk keeping him

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It isn't really a risk.

If he doesn't get game time he will move on. If he gets game time, then it isn't an issue.

FORR - the point is if we don't want cleverly then don't offer him a 5 year deal in the hope someone will pay fee and pay wages he is happy with.

Nani is a prime example. 5 year deal on big money and we can't shift him. Yes nani is on a better wage but he is also a better player.

But then why would he sign a contract extension IF it seems that the club don't really want him?

If he's feeling unwanted (most fans want him gone) then would he not be best moving sooner for his own career? Or is the prospect of a wage increase not a factor?

comment by Forrr - I'm Red John (U18420)
posted 19 seconds ago
He gets a little over 2 million per year. Say we increase his pay by a little with a new contract whereby he gets about 3 million a year. we then sell him next summer for £8m for example.

Man Utd profit = £8m

If we keep him on his current wages we pay him £2.08 million for the next year in wages. And no incomes received when we release him.
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*profit of £5m i meant to say in the first example.

loss of £2m in the second

nani is on over 100k

Cleverley is on 40k

There is absolutely no comparison there.

Just seems odd to keep a player most fans don't want to keep just on the chance we could make money on him, and not much at that.

I personally would rather keep Cleverly over Fletcher or Fellaini but that's a different matter.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 17 seconds ago
Just seems odd to keep a player most fans don't want to keep just on the chance we could make money on him, and not much at that.

I personally would rather keep Cleverly over Fletcher or Fellaini but that's a different matter.
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It doesn't matter if most fans don't want a player. If the manager is still willing to use him a bit as every manager he's had a Utd has been so far it's still better to keep him until we sign a few better players. Not giving him a new contract would be stupid.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 seconds ago
Just seems odd to keep a player most fans don't want to keep just on the chance we could make money on him, and not much at that.

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And yet you would probably be in the que to slam Woodward if we let his contract run down and he left on a freebie.

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VC - plenty of players have sat on the bench before collecting a wage. Would you really be happy him taking a squad place up and us having to continue using him in the hope we eventually get a fee??

"And yet you would probably be in the que to slam Woodward if we let his contract run down and he left on a freebie."

No, because I doubt we would get much from either way, we don't really have a good record of getting good fees for our players.

If LVG has plans to keep Cleverly and use him then fair enough although I personally would prefer better quality.

VC

You do seem to keep assuming that all players don't want to sit on the bench and get a big wage.

Every player is different, just because you say you wouldn't doesn't mean all players feel the same. You read far too often about how players today think they've made it because of the large wages they make and have little motivation to succeed.

I'm not saying Cleverly is like that, the fact is I have no idea and neither does any of us.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 51 seconds ago
VC

You do seem to keep assuming that all players don't want to sit on the bench and get a big wage.

Every player is different, just because you say you wouldn't doesn't mean all players feel the same. You read far too often about how players today think they've made it because of the large wages they make and have little motivation to succeed.

I'm not saying Cleverly is like that, the fact is I have no idea and neither does any of us.
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So you're saying we should intentionally just lose a bit of money just in case he is like that?

I'm sorry but giving cleverly a new deal on the basis we might get a fee later on is not a good idea.

We keep hearing how strong we are financially. I think we should start using that strength to let a few go as well as signing players on massive fees.

Anderson and cleverly could leave for nothing and I'm pretty sure nobody would bat an eyelid.

Simple that is Cleverley neither has the ability or personality to play for our club on a consistent basis.
He has to go.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
VC

You do seem to keep assuming that all players don't want to sit on the bench and get a big wage.

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Yes, it comes from playing the game myself. All you want to be doing is be playing.

Obviously there will be the odd one or two that take the money. But not many.

It's a delicate balance in these cases. Either course of action could pay off or backfire.

I guess it comes down to whether they judge Cleverley truly worth the money he is on. If he is, we ought to be able to find a buyer if we don't have room for him. However, it's always a tricky situation when you say 'we think he's worth this but we don't want to pay it ourselves'.

*fact

comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm sorry but giving cleverly a new deal on the basis we might get a fee later on is not a good idea.

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It is if you are not an idiot, when it comes to finances.

You have had this clearly explained to you by two people.

Do you really think we should let our players go for free?

I'm saying if we have little use for cleverly which we might if a new CM is brought in the maybe it's best to get rid now.

comment by Wing_Genius_John_Aston (U19099)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple that is Cleverley neither has the ability or personality to play for our club on a consistent basis.
He has to go.

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We agree on that. He just doesn't have to go for free.

You do seem to keep assuming that all players don't want to sit on the bench and get a big wage.

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There are many examples of both approaches. I don't think we'd still have Anderson / Nani on our books if it weren't for their wages. On the other hand, Balotelli is supposedly ready to halve his pay to play for LFC.

Cleverley is on 40k

Do you really think he'd happily just sit on the bench instead of moving on for 40k?

Do you seriously think most other clubs in the PL can't afford that?

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
I'm saying if we have little use for cleverly which we might if a new CM is brought in the maybe it's best to get rid now.

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We may well do. Not sure how that changes anything.