Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
How can we expect to sell him for much money?
I would only keep cleverly if we have plans on using him, but bringing in any new CM in the next week will drastically reduce that.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
How can we expect to sell him for much money?
I would only keep cleverly if we have plans on using him, but bringing in any new CM in the next week will drastically reduce that.
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If we don't give him a new contract we have to pay him and then release him for nothing. We just lose money,
If we signs a new contract his wage over the next year willl still only be a couple million since he is on a low salary. Even selling him for cheap means we will make money rather than lose money,
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
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That still doesn't change anything that has been said here.
You will still lose money off him if he decides to walk next season, if you don't extend his contract.
If it was as easy as just saying you are not wanted eff off, we would have already done it.
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 17 seconds ago
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
............
I know I am right.
It isn't rocket science.
Altough you really are struggling with it.
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 24 seconds ago
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
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If the idea is he can leave next season for free than surely after the new contract you have to make the comparison with him still leaving in a year. He'd get about 2-3million in that time.
If we dont give him a new contract he will still get 2 million over the next year.
Either we make some money by giving him a new contract or we lose money by not doing so. It's not very difficult to understand.
Haha - if you think that's right then you are delusional bud.
I really can not believe you are still arguing this.
How old are you?
FORR - what if he doesn't move on and we are stuck with a poor CM taking up a squad place ???
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 1 minute ago
FORR - what if he doesn't move on and we are stuck with a poor CM taking up a squad place ???
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Why would he not move on when he is on 40k per week?
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 1 minute ago
Haha - if you think that's right then you are delusional bud.
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I clearley can't be that delusional when someone else can quite clearly see it, and the people who have made our club a multi million pound earning behemoth can clearly see it.
This is common sense. It is also why we tied Nani down to a new contract last season.
Because he'd rather 15 games a season for United than 25 at Cardiff, because he thinks he is good enough for United, because he doesn't fancy a move to the clubs interested or they can't offer the terms he wants, or he doesn't want to move for the area.
Many reasons.
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 14 seconds ago
Because he'd rather 15 games a season for United than 25 at Cardiff, because he thinks he is good enough for United, because he doesn't fancy a move to the clubs interested or they can't offer the terms he wants, or he doesn't want to move for the area.
Many reasons.
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If he is playing 15 games a season than the manager will obviously think he is a useful player. Then it wouldn't matter if he stays considering he is maybe our 4th choice midfielder.
And why would he only play 25 games at Cardiff?
I guess also by your logic we should just keep all our squad players (fletcher, fellaini, powell, anderson, nani after he returns, cleverley, young, valencia, hernandez) until their contracts run out. after all, if we try to sell them they might decide they do not want to leave.
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
Nani's situation is different as he cost us a fee plus is a better player and therefore likely to generate more interest and ultimately a bigger fee.
What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
I think we might have a decent chunk of any fee from a Cleverley sale to pay to Bradford
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 3 minutes ago
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
Nani's situation is different as he cost us a fee plus is a better player and therefore likely to generate more interest and ultimately a bigger fee.
What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
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DO you not think we can sell Cleverley for £2m?
Don't you think a big issue we currently have is not being able to get rid of mediocre players on good wages? 40k is still a big wage for a lesser team and I would imagine it will be even more.
It's also a bit childish to tell someone to stop debating when it's clear neither answer is obviously the right option as red Russian stated.
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 43 seconds ago
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
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What about them?
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Nani's situation is different
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No it isn't. It is exactly the same.
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What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
...............
Without my crystal ball, I couldn't tell you. But what I can, and have already told you, is if his contract runs down, then he will not generate any fee at all.
Forr has clearly, very clearly in fact, explained this to you as well.
Now, I have a question for you.
Why, when you have had something quite clearly explained to you, do you keep on ignoring it?
FORR - he would get games as would be taking up a valuable squad place and therefore limit space for a replacement CM and therefore dictate we use him.
I honestly believe he wouldn't be an ever present for any prem side. He is vey limited.
I would be very disappointed if we allowed fellaini Powell young or Valencia to within a year of their contract ending before selling. Anderson can go now for all the use he has been / will be for the next 12-18 months.
Anderson can go now for all the use he has been / will be for the next 12-18 months.
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Any of the players like Fletch, Clevs, Ando, Nani, Valencia can go now.
my point wasn't whether or not we should sell them. my point is what if they say no when we find a bidder and refuse to leave because they'd rather stay at united? this is the logic you have used with not giving cleverley an extension.
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained. Poor effort.
Nothing and been explained. An opinion has been offered and in my opinion not a very valid one.
Cleverly will be no more valuable after 12 months on the bench than he will be now. Why not sell him now for £2m rather than committing us to a 5 year contract, signing on fee, possibly increased terms to gamble someone will take him in a year or two?
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 46 seconds ago
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained. Poor effort.
Nothing and been explained. An opinion has been offered and in my opinion not a very valid one.
Cleverly will be no more valuable after 12 months on the bench than he will be now. Why not sell him now for £2m rather than committing us to a 5 year contract, signing on fee, possibly increased terms to gamble someone will take him in a year or two?
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Who exactly argued against selling him now?
You are the one who said we should let his contract run our next year and let him leave for free. That is what we have argued against.
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 59 seconds ago
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained.
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Your explanation was irrelevent. Utterly irrelevat. And thus completey ignored by me.
The fact that Nani cost a fee makes no differnce what so ever, and the fact that Nani is better than Cleverley was a childish comment with even less relevance.
The relevant issue is we tied Nani down to a contract so that he couldn't leave on a Bosman.
Exactly the same as tying down Cleverley. And Anderson last season.
All very simple.
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posted on 25/8/14
Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
How can we expect to sell him for much money?
I would only keep cleverly if we have plans on using him, but bringing in any new CM in the next week will drastically reduce that.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
How can we expect to sell him for much money?
I would only keep cleverly if we have plans on using him, but bringing in any new CM in the next week will drastically reduce that.
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If we don't give him a new contract we have to pay him and then release him for nothing. We just lose money,
If we signs a new contract his wage over the next year willl still only be a couple million since he is on a low salary. Even selling him for cheap means we will make money rather than lose money,
posted on 25/8/14
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
posted on 25/8/14
Because if he becomes surplus and we give him a new contract in 1 or 2 years with virtually no games his value will plummet while we will have given him these wages.
.....................
That still doesn't change anything that has been said here.
You will still lose money off him if he decides to walk next season, if you don't extend his contract.
If it was as easy as just saying you are not wanted eff off, we would have already done it.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 17 seconds ago
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
............
I know I am right.
It isn't rocket science.
Altough you really are struggling with it.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 24 seconds ago
VC - your right, let's give cleverly, a poor player, a 5 year deal worth around £10m in the hope we can get a fee in a year or two of maybe £5m by which time he has earned approx £2-4m.
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If the idea is he can leave next season for free than surely after the new contract you have to make the comparison with him still leaving in a year. He'd get about 2-3million in that time.
If we dont give him a new contract he will still get 2 million over the next year.
Either we make some money by giving him a new contract or we lose money by not doing so. It's not very difficult to understand.
posted on 25/8/14
Haha - if you think that's right then you are delusional bud.
posted on 25/8/14
I really can not believe you are still arguing this.
How old are you?
posted on 25/8/14
FORR - what if he doesn't move on and we are stuck with a poor CM taking up a squad place ???
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 1 minute ago
FORR - what if he doesn't move on and we are stuck with a poor CM taking up a squad place ???
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Why would he not move on when he is on 40k per week?
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 1 minute ago
Haha - if you think that's right then you are delusional bud.
...........
I clearley can't be that delusional when someone else can quite clearly see it, and the people who have made our club a multi million pound earning behemoth can clearly see it.
This is common sense. It is also why we tied Nani down to a new contract last season.
posted on 25/8/14
Because he'd rather 15 games a season for United than 25 at Cardiff, because he thinks he is good enough for United, because he doesn't fancy a move to the clubs interested or they can't offer the terms he wants, or he doesn't want to move for the area.
Many reasons.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 14 seconds ago
Because he'd rather 15 games a season for United than 25 at Cardiff, because he thinks he is good enough for United, because he doesn't fancy a move to the clubs interested or they can't offer the terms he wants, or he doesn't want to move for the area.
Many reasons.
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If he is playing 15 games a season than the manager will obviously think he is a useful player. Then it wouldn't matter if he stays considering he is maybe our 4th choice midfielder.
And why would he only play 25 games at Cardiff?
posted on 25/8/14
I guess also by your logic we should just keep all our squad players (fletcher, fellaini, powell, anderson, nani after he returns, cleverley, young, valencia, hernandez) until their contracts run out. after all, if we try to sell them they might decide they do not want to leave.
posted on 25/8/14
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
Nani's situation is different as he cost us a fee plus is a better player and therefore likely to generate more interest and ultimately a bigger fee.
What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
posted on 25/8/14
I think we might have a decent chunk of any fee from a Cleverley sale to pay to Bradford
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 3 minutes ago
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
Nani's situation is different as he cost us a fee plus is a better player and therefore likely to generate more interest and ultimately a bigger fee.
What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
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DO you not think we can sell Cleverley for £2m?
posted on 25/8/14
Don't you think a big issue we currently have is not being able to get rid of mediocre players on good wages? 40k is still a big wage for a lesser team and I would imagine it will be even more.
It's also a bit childish to tell someone to stop debating when it's clear neither answer is obviously the right option as red Russian stated.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 43 seconds ago
VC - and what about the many others saying your wrong?
................
What about them?
..............
Nani's situation is different
...............
No it isn't. It is exactly the same.
.................
What is cleverly going to do to generate interest and a decent fee in the next 2-3 years whilst picking up his £2m per year?
...............
Without my crystal ball, I couldn't tell you. But what I can, and have already told you, is if his contract runs down, then he will not generate any fee at all.
Forr has clearly, very clearly in fact, explained this to you as well.
Now, I have a question for you.
Why, when you have had something quite clearly explained to you, do you keep on ignoring it?
posted on 25/8/14
FORR - he would get games as would be taking up a valuable squad place and therefore limit space for a replacement CM and therefore dictate we use him.
I honestly believe he wouldn't be an ever present for any prem side. He is vey limited.
I would be very disappointed if we allowed fellaini Powell young or Valencia to within a year of their contract ending before selling. Anderson can go now for all the use he has been / will be for the next 12-18 months.
posted on 25/8/14
Anderson can go now for all the use he has been / will be for the next 12-18 months.
............
Any of the players like Fletch, Clevs, Ando, Nani, Valencia can go now.
posted on 25/8/14
my point wasn't whether or not we should sell them. my point is what if they say no when we find a bidder and refuse to leave because they'd rather stay at united? this is the logic you have used with not giving cleverley an extension.
posted on 25/8/14
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained. Poor effort.
Nothing and been explained. An opinion has been offered and in my opinion not a very valid one.
Cleverly will be no more valuable after 12 months on the bench than he will be now. Why not sell him now for £2m rather than committing us to a 5 year contract, signing on fee, possibly increased terms to gamble someone will take him in a year or two?
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 46 seconds ago
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained. Poor effort.
Nothing and been explained. An opinion has been offered and in my opinion not a very valid one.
Cleverly will be no more valuable after 12 months on the bench than he will be now. Why not sell him now for £2m rather than committing us to a 5 year contract, signing on fee, possibly increased terms to gamble someone will take him in a year or two?
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Who exactly argued against selling him now?
You are the one who said we should let his contract run our next year and let him leave for free. That is what we have argued against.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 59 seconds ago
VC - nani's situation is different as I explained.
..........
Your explanation was irrelevent. Utterly irrelevat. And thus completey ignored by me.
The fact that Nani cost a fee makes no differnce what so ever, and the fact that Nani is better than Cleverley was a childish comment with even less relevance.
The relevant issue is we tied Nani down to a contract so that he couldn't leave on a Bosman.
Exactly the same as tying down Cleverley. And Anderson last season.
All very simple.
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