And MA that is a fair point MYDD just made, if he'd come out and said "I put my car in a position knowing and accident would happen" the FIA would have penalised him.
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
First of all there was no reason for him to take to the escape road, and secondly once on the escape road and out of danger to others, what possessed him to engage reverse and put his car back into a dangerous position and cause the yellow flags? It's not as if he could rejoin the track and go round for another attempt is it?
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when he messed up where was he supposed to go , he had two choices down the escape road or into the barrier --
Nothing wrong with him going down the escape road. The question was, why did he then proceed to reverse back into a dangerous position? You didn't answer that part MA.
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 23 seconds ago
To be fair MUDD he didn't admit to taking Hamilton out, just to leaving his car in a position where it was almost certainly cause an accident.
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If he had admitted he did it to take him out in public he could get disqualified from the championship. It's happened before.
I have no issues with nico putting his car there whatsoever, I just want people to stop making out he is a poor innocent boy who does nothing sneaky and underhanded
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but there is no evidence that rosberg is doing anything " sneaky and underhanded " unless two slight miscalculations qualify as cheating --
And did he really mess up? We never did find out what Hamilton was referring to when he said "if you could see the data" or words to that effect.
Two slight miscalculations?
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing wrong with him going down the escape road. The question was, why did he then proceed to reverse back into a dangerous position? You didn't answer that part MA.
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who knows what is going thru a drivers mind when he has just mucked up -- perhaps he thought he had time for another lap -
---- do you seriously think he had the presence of mind to know where hamilton was at the time and then cynically decided he would then purposely screw hamilton -
----------- does it happen these days with so much at stake for the teams especially at monaco -- has it ever happened ever in the history of f1 --
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
And did he really mess up? We never did find out what Hamilton was referring to when he said "if you could see the data" or words to that effect.
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just another example of hamilton spiting out his dummy no doubt --
He would have known he didn't have time for another lap, and he would have known exactly where Hamilton was at the time. He should have sat and waited till the qualifying had finished. And yes, of course it has happened before, and at Monaco. Schumacher deliberately stopped his car in a place that ensured the red flag was waved.
How was that spitting the dummy out? If the boot had been on the other foot would you have said Rosberg was petulant and childish?
MUDD is right.
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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think i muttered to myself what a pair of bell ends or something along those lines , then when seeing the replay thought both drivers were unlucky as a few millimetres the other way and there would have been no contact --
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 5 minutes ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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Stupid Rosberg was my initial reaction.
When you watch the onboard you see him turn out and then in, that shows clearly it was deliberate. Brundle and Davidson noticed it as well
I have to admit my first thought was "you effing cheat Nico".
And why? Because we could all see there was no reason for him to be there, he was never going to get past there.
Why not just sit behind till lap three and if he was so much quicker than Hamilton he would have had the added advantage of DRS too and sailed by him.
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 2 minutes ago
He would have known he didn't have time for another lap, and he would have known exactly where Hamilton was at the time. He should have sat and waited till the qualifying had finished. And yes, of course it has happened before, and at Monaco. Schumacher deliberately stopped his car in a place that ensured the red flag was waved.
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you are talking about a driver under the extreme pressure of a qual lap on the most unforgiving track on the planet so some latitude has to be given for errors on such a track and the thought process that comes directly after ---
------ and yes i also believe schumacher made an error back in 06 on the same track --
And then the onboard footage MUDD mentioned just re-enforced those thoughts.
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 5 minutes ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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Stupid Rosberg was my initial reaction.
When you watch the onboard you see him turn out and then in, that shows clearly it was deliberate. Brundle and Davidson noticed it as well
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that makes rosberg the stupidest driver in the history of F1 then manx if he purposely aimed his wing at somebody else"s rear tyre knowing he was going to get a big chunk of wing lopped off which would then fluck his whole race up --
Your words martial not mine
Schumacher did not make an error of judgement. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. And if drivers make that level of errors of judgement like you say, putting a car back into danger, risking tours and other people's lives, should they be driving at this level?
It's one thing making an error in the heat of a race where split seconds are the timescales, but to sit there and calmly put a car into reverse and potentially put others at risk is unforgivable.
Nelson Piquet Jnr. didn't get away with it in Singapore.
There's another example of deliberately cheating.
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 seconds ago
Your words martial not mine
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do you really think any driver is so brain dead as to purposely aim there very fragile front wing at somebody else"s big hard rear tire then manx knowing that they will lose a big chunk or all of that wing ?
----------- come on manx even you do not think that --
And losing a bug chunk if wing can be fixed the next time you can get into the pits. Which at relatively high speed is no big time penalty. Running round nearly the whole track on the longest circuit on the calendar, with a burst and shredding tyre lost Hamilton something like a minute in time and untold damage to his floor and a whole field of cars to then pass.
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
Schumacher did not make an error of judgement. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. And if drivers make that level of errors of judgement like you say, putting a car back into danger, risking tours and other people's lives, should they be driving at this level?
It's one thing making an error in the heat of a race where split seconds are the timescales, but to sit there and calmly put a car into reverse and potentially put others at risk is unforgivable.
Nelson Piquet Jnr. didn't get away with it in Singapore.
There's another example of deliberately cheating.
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what you are overlooking is the human element of extreme pressure of a qualifying lap on the most confined track on the planet when errors do occur, which by the way is a pressure that none of us mere mortals have ever experianced -
---- what you are effectively saying is every driver that has ever made an error in qualifying at monaco has done it on purpose then --
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posted on 31/8/14
Same
posted on 31/8/14
And MA that is a fair point MYDD just made, if he'd come out and said "I put my car in a position knowing and accident would happen" the FIA would have penalised him.
posted on 31/8/14
MYDD? Sorry MUDD...
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
First of all there was no reason for him to take to the escape road, and secondly once on the escape road and out of danger to others, what possessed him to engage reverse and put his car back into a dangerous position and cause the yellow flags? It's not as if he could rejoin the track and go round for another attempt is it?
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when he messed up where was he supposed to go , he had two choices down the escape road or into the barrier --
posted on 31/8/14
Nothing wrong with him going down the escape road. The question was, why did he then proceed to reverse back into a dangerous position? You didn't answer that part MA.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 23 seconds ago
To be fair MUDD he didn't admit to taking Hamilton out, just to leaving his car in a position where it was almost certainly cause an accident.
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If he had admitted he did it to take him out in public he could get disqualified from the championship. It's happened before.
I have no issues with nico putting his car there whatsoever, I just want people to stop making out he is a poor innocent boy who does nothing sneaky and underhanded
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but there is no evidence that rosberg is doing anything " sneaky and underhanded " unless two slight miscalculations qualify as cheating --
posted on 31/8/14
And did he really mess up? We never did find out what Hamilton was referring to when he said "if you could see the data" or words to that effect.
posted on 31/8/14
Two slight miscalculations?
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing wrong with him going down the escape road. The question was, why did he then proceed to reverse back into a dangerous position? You didn't answer that part MA.
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who knows what is going thru a drivers mind when he has just mucked up -- perhaps he thought he had time for another lap -
---- do you seriously think he had the presence of mind to know where hamilton was at the time and then cynically decided he would then purposely screw hamilton -
----------- does it happen these days with so much at stake for the teams especially at monaco -- has it ever happened ever in the history of f1 --
posted on 31/8/14
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
And did he really mess up? We never did find out what Hamilton was referring to when he said "if you could see the data" or words to that effect.
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just another example of hamilton spiting out his dummy no doubt --
posted on 31/8/14
He would have known he didn't have time for another lap, and he would have known exactly where Hamilton was at the time. He should have sat and waited till the qualifying had finished. And yes, of course it has happened before, and at Monaco. Schumacher deliberately stopped his car in a place that ensured the red flag was waved.
posted on 31/8/14
How was that spitting the dummy out? If the boot had been on the other foot would you have said Rosberg was petulant and childish?
MUDD is right.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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think i muttered to myself what a pair of bell ends or something along those lines , then when seeing the replay thought both drivers were unlucky as a few millimetres the other way and there would have been no contact --
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 5 minutes ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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Stupid Rosberg was my initial reaction.
When you watch the onboard you see him turn out and then in, that shows clearly it was deliberate. Brundle and Davidson noticed it as well
posted on 31/8/14
I have to admit my first thought was "you effing cheat Nico".
And why? Because we could all see there was no reason for him to be there, he was never going to get past there.
Why not just sit behind till lap three and if he was so much quicker than Hamilton he would have had the added advantage of DRS too and sailed by him.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 2 minutes ago
He would have known he didn't have time for another lap, and he would have known exactly where Hamilton was at the time. He should have sat and waited till the qualifying had finished. And yes, of course it has happened before, and at Monaco. Schumacher deliberately stopped his car in a place that ensured the red flag was waved.
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you are talking about a driver under the extreme pressure of a qual lap on the most unforgiving track on the planet so some latitude has to be given for errors on such a track and the thought process that comes directly after ---
------ and yes i also believe schumacher made an error back in 06 on the same track --
posted on 31/8/14
And then the onboard footage MUDD mentioned just re-enforced those thoughts.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 5 minutes ago
What was your first reaction when Rosberg and Hamilton touched resulting in a burst tyre for the latter? ..... that question to everyone.
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Stupid Rosberg was my initial reaction.
When you watch the onboard you see him turn out and then in, that shows clearly it was deliberate. Brundle and Davidson noticed it as well
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that makes rosberg the stupidest driver in the history of F1 then manx if he purposely aimed his wing at somebody else"s rear tyre knowing he was going to get a big chunk of wing lopped off which would then fluck his whole race up --
posted on 31/8/14
Your words martial not mine
posted on 31/8/14
Schumacher did not make an error of judgement. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. And if drivers make that level of errors of judgement like you say, putting a car back into danger, risking tours and other people's lives, should they be driving at this level?
It's one thing making an error in the heat of a race where split seconds are the timescales, but to sit there and calmly put a car into reverse and potentially put others at risk is unforgivable.
Nelson Piquet Jnr. didn't get away with it in Singapore.
There's another example of deliberately cheating.
posted on 31/8/14
Tours..... yours
posted on 31/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 seconds ago
Your words martial not mine
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do you really think any driver is so brain dead as to purposely aim there very fragile front wing at somebody else"s big hard rear tire then manx knowing that they will lose a big chunk or all of that wing ?
----------- come on manx even you do not think that --
posted on 31/8/14
And losing a bug chunk if wing can be fixed the next time you can get into the pits. Which at relatively high speed is no big time penalty. Running round nearly the whole track on the longest circuit on the calendar, with a burst and shredding tyre lost Hamilton something like a minute in time and untold damage to his floor and a whole field of cars to then pass.
posted on 31/8/14
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
Schumacher did not make an error of judgement. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. And if drivers make that level of errors of judgement like you say, putting a car back into danger, risking tours and other people's lives, should they be driving at this level?
It's one thing making an error in the heat of a race where split seconds are the timescales, but to sit there and calmly put a car into reverse and potentially put others at risk is unforgivable.
Nelson Piquet Jnr. didn't get away with it in Singapore.
There's another example of deliberately cheating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what you are overlooking is the human element of extreme pressure of a qualifying lap on the most confined track on the planet when errors do occur, which by the way is a pressure that none of us mere mortals have ever experianced -
---- what you are effectively saying is every driver that has ever made an error in qualifying at monaco has done it on purpose then --
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