The part if the tyre he hit isn't big and hard. It was the sidewall which is relatively weak in comparison. I have seen it where this kind of contact has resulted in little or no damage to the wing but still the tyre of the car you hit gets punctured.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 2 minutes ago
And losing a bug chunk if wing can be fixed the next time you can get into the pits. Which at relatively high speed is no big time penalty. Running round nearly the whole track on the longest circuit on the calendar, with a burst and shredding tyre lost Hamilton something like a minute in time and untold damage to his floor and a whole field of cars to then pass.
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again you are speaking in hindsight because you know the outcome -
-------- do you seriously think rosberg aimed his wing at hamiltons tire knowing he was 100% certain to lose all or a big chunk of his wing -
--------- do you honestly really believe any driver is so brain dead to actually do that ?

No I'm not saying that MA and you know it.
Rosberg had the presence of mind to take the car up the escape road, for whatever the reason or cause. No sign of pressure or panic there.... he drove to a safe place, stopped and then calmly reversed back down the escape road. Hardly the actions of someone who was under extreme pressure.

Martial why did Rosberg turn his steering out and then into the back of Hamilton's car?

And I didn't say he deliberately hit Hamilton. Point that claim out.
I said the the part of the tyre he hit is not as big and solid as the tread. Haven't you seen the way those tyres move sideways on the rim in those slo-mo videos?
Or if you prefer you could say the part of Hamilton's tyre that hit his wing..... And then you have to ask, why put your car into a place where you know you are going to get hit and cause your wing to get damaged?

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 5 minutes ago
No I'm not saying that MA and you know it.
Rosberg had the presence of mind to take the car up the escape road, for whatever the reason or cause. No sign of pressure or panic there.... he drove to a safe place, stopped and then calmly reversed back down the escape road. Hardly the actions of someone who was under extreme pressure.
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i dont think it actually made a difference whether he reversed or not -- if he even did reverse, as the mere fact he was stuck in the escape road meant the yellow flags had to come out because of the danger involved of another car going down there at speed -

comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 10 minutes ago
Martial why did Rosberg turn his steering out and then into the back of Hamilton's car?


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how am i supposed to understand all the little nuances that the microscopic slowmotion replay picks out when a driver is holding a steering wheel -
---------- as i said do you seriously believe any driver is brain dead enough to aim there front wing at somebodys tyre knowing they will lose all or a big chunk of that wing and the resulting poor race for him that will follow ?

The yellow flag was not put out when Rosberg drove into the escape road, nor when he stopped. Only when he put the car in reverse and started heading BACK to danger.
Are you now claiming he didn't start reversing?
I would pull up some videos to prove it but we all know that would be pointless don't we?

I knew you would respond that way. Goodbye martial

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 12 minutes ago
And I didn't say he deliberately hit Hamilton. Point that claim out.
I said the the part of the tyre he hit is not as big and solid as the tread. Haven't you seen the way those tyres move sideways on the rim in those slo-mo videos?
Or if you prefer you could say the part of Hamilton's tyre that hit his wing..... And then you have to ask, why put your car into a place where you know you are going to get hit and cause your wing to get damaged?
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the point is no driver purposely and knowingly will have his car damaged in any passing maneuver as the consequences to his race are normally terminal or a big loss of points -
if you are not saying he purposely hit hamilton then the only option was he obviously made a miscalculation which is acceptable when fighting for a place --

And who said you needed slo-mo to see him turn out then in? It could be seen at normal speed, and was no way microscopic.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
The yellow flag was not put out when Rosberg drove into the escape road, nor when he stopped. Only when he put the car in reverse and started heading BACK to danger.
Are you now claiming he didn't start reversing?
I would pull up some videos to prove it but we all know that would be pointless don't we?
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to be honest i cant remember exactly what happened after he went down the escape road , pull up a clip and we can both have a look

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 2 minutes ago
And who said you needed slo-mo to see him turn out then in? It could be seen at normal speed, and was no way microscopic.
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so he did purposely and cynically aim his wing at hamiltons tyre then knowing he would lose all or at the very least a big chunk of his wing ?

As I have said if you read my post. He deliberately put his car in that position. Irrespective of whether he turned out then in, he has admitted he did that. He also knew that if Hamilton stuck to the racing line the likelihood would be contact. He may have thought no damage would occur, but then you said 100% certain he would lose a big bit of his wing. Your words not mine.

Damaging your wing isn't terminal. And did it need ti cost him points?

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
As I have said if you read my post. He deliberately put his car in that position. Irrespective of whether he turned out then in, he has admitted he did that. He also knew that if Hamilton stuck to the racing line the likelihood would be contact. He may have thought no damage would occur, but then you said 100% certain he would lose a big bit of his wing. Your words not mine.
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it was clearly an intimidatory tactic then that resulted in contact that happens from time to time and will continue to happen until the fia ban all types of passing maneuvers -
--- intimidatory maneuvers have always been an acceptable part of F1 and will continue to be so until the fia ban such maneuvers hence why the fia took no further action against rosberg and deemed it a racing accident --

So MA, be honest now. If Hamilton had done the same thing would you have defended him so vehemently?
And could you please stop accusing me if saying things I haven't said.
Back to Monaco, did you see Rosberg reverse or not? You implied he may not have done?
If he did was that a deliberate act or did it happen by accident. And when were the yellow flags waived? As he entered the escape road in a controlled manner, when he stopped, or as he started reversing back towards danger.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 7 minutes ago
So MA, be honest now. If Hamilton had done the same thing would you have defended him so vehemently?
And could you please stop accusing me if saying things I haven't said.
Back to Monaco, did you see Rosberg reverse or not? You implied he may not have done?
If he did was that a deliberate act or did it happen by accident. And when were the yellow flags waived? As he entered the escape road in a controlled manner, when he stopped, or as he started reversing back towards danger.
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to be honest i have at times defended lewis on the various forums -- not often but i have done it if i believe him to be right , and if you read the gist of what i have said i agree that rosberg made a miscalculation at spa but i will not agree that rosberg or any other driver deliberately aims there wing at another drivers wheel -

as i said i cant actually remember what happened after rosberg veered off down the escape road at monaco but the yellow flags had to come out anyway because of the narrow confined space of the escape road and the carnage it would cause if another car went down there at qual speed whilst rosberg was stationed down there -

The Independent newspaper article on it says:

"On provisional pole by just 0.059secs from Hamilton after the opening quick laps, Rosberg locked up on entry to the right-hander at Mirabeau on his second and final attempt, and was forced to take the escape road.
An attempt to reverse, however, swiftly brought out the yellow flags.
And if you see Hamilton's post qualifying interview on the BBC he was very measured, not petulant or throwing his toys out of the pram as some claim.

And on board footage comparing Rosbergs pole setting lap and his last lap, show him moving his steering wheel from right to left (not minuscule or microscopic movements btw) in his last lap whilst on his pole lap he stays straight. This right left movement occurred before (possibly causing?) his lockup and subsequent need to use the escape road.

Again MA I NEVER said Rosberg deliberately aimed his wing at Hamilton's tyre. Please stop accusing me of saying things when I haven't. Ty.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 13 minutes ago
The Independent newspaper article on it says:

"On provisional pole by just 0.059secs from Hamilton after the opening quick laps, Rosberg locked up on entry to the right-hander at Mirabeau on his second and final attempt, and was forced to take the escape road.
An attempt to reverse, however, swiftly brought out the yellow flags.
And if you see Hamilton's post qualifying interview on the BBC he was very measured, not petulant or throwing his toys out of the pram as some claim.


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yeh i here what you are saying go cell but from the narrow confined dimensions of the escape road the yellow flags were always going to come out whatever rosberg was doing down there --

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 9 minutes ago
And on board footage comparing Rosbergs pole setting lap and his last lap, show him moving his steering wheel from right to left (not minuscule or microscopic movements btw) in his last lap whilst on his pole lap he stays straight. This right left movement occurred before (possibly causing?) his lockup and subsequent need to use the escape road.
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to be fair can we on here really judge what is deliberate or a miscalculation -
------- lets not forget from a racing drivers perspective everything is happening very quickly at monaco and we on here who are mere sunday afternoon drivers in comparison are in no position to judge specifically and exactly what is going on with slight hand movements from on board footage -

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 14 minutes ago
Again MA I NEVER said Rosberg deliberately aimed his wing at Hamilton's tyre. Please stop accusing me of saying things when I haven't. Ty.
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yeh ok fair play go - cell

but exactly what are you saying if you think rosberg did not deliberately aim his car at hamiltons tire -
-------- i am finding it hard to grasp exactly where you are coming from if you did not think it was a deliberate attempt to damage his and hamiltons machinery --

You really should look at the footage on the BBC MA. His position on the road leading up to his strange steering motions were almost identical on the two laps. They were not slight hand movements considering you don't need to turn far from lock to lock.
Also that Independent article says, as did other people at the time, that the flags were waived after he attempted reversing.