comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 4 minutes ago
You really should look at the footage on the BBC MA. His position on the road leading up to his strange steering motions were almost identical on the two laps. They were not slight hand movements considering you don't need to turn far from lock to lock.
Also that Independent article says, as did other people at the time, that the flags were waived after he attempted reversing.
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yeh i must admit i did look at the footage on you tube ,
as i said for them everything is happening at blurring qual speed and under the extreme pressure of a monaco qual lap on the most confined track on the planet -
---------- so in all honesty i am always prepared to give the driver the benefit of the doubt under such extreme circumstances --

At Spa he deliberately tried to get past at a place he knew he would fail. He could have done what Vettel did in the same place on the previous lap and gone off the track. He chose not to. I wonder if his steering movements, to move out was to leave the track, then his move back was because he thought, no I'm staying right here. Which is basically what he admitted on the post rave team briefing. Whatever his reasoning he deliberately kept his car to the left of Hamilton who was taking the racing line. Whether or not he deliberately intended to cause damage is quite frankly irrelevant. The fact is he stayed there deliberately, a collision occurred, he damaged his car, he ended Hamilton's race and put another 18 points between them and allowed Ricciardo to close in on Hamilton. And he lost his team points.

Post rave..... I bet that was fun..... race obviously...

Can you explain then why he would have moved Wis wheel right then left whilst he was effectively on the same line as his pole setting lap?

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 6 minutes ago
At Spa he deliberately tried to get past at a place he knew he would fail. He could have done what Vettel did in the same place on the previous lap and gone off the track. He chose not to. I wonder if his steering movements, to move out was to leave the track, then his move back was because he thought, no I'm staying right here. Which is basically what he admitted on the post rave team briefing. Whatever his reasoning he deliberately kept his car to the left of Hamilton who was taking the racing line. Whether or not he deliberately intended to cause damage is quite frankly irrelevant. The fact is he stayed there deliberately, a collision occurred, he damaged his car, he ended Hamilton's race and put another 18 points between them and allowed Ricciardo to close in on Hamilton. And he lost his team points.
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to be honest i dont even believe he was trying to get past i believe it was more an intimidatory maneuver to rattle hamilton which obviously ended in tears for both drivers -
---------- its nothing new in f1 and will continue to happen and mistakes like this have always been an acceptable part of f1 and are normally filed under the racing accident folder --

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 7 minutes ago
Can you explain then why he would have moved Wis wheel right then left whilst he was effectively on the same line as his pole setting lap?
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as i said go cell i cant begin to understand every little nuance of what a driver is doing on a qual lap at monaco and i wont even pretend to imagine the pressure they are under while on such a lap -

-------- better drivers than rosberg , schumacher , hamilton have fallen off whilst going round monaco such is the nature of driving around the most unforgiving track on the planet --

Whatever the reason for having to use the escape road, the fact us he deliberately reversed, an act which in itself is deemed an illegal move. He knew what he was doing and knew it would stop Hamilton from beating him to pole.

It is funny that Rosberg according to some on here is praised for mental toughness but the same posters say on a hot lap or a race this toughness suddenly disappears bt he gains from the resulting antics.

I swear you could not make it up

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 37 minutes ago
Whatever the reason for having to use the escape road, the fact us he deliberately reversed, an act which in itself is deemed an illegal move. He knew what he was doing and knew it would stop Hamilton from beating him to pole.
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sorry go cell that sounds like a lame excuse to me mate , the yellow flags were coming out whether or not he reversed or not because of the confined area of the escape road so it mattered not one jot if he did reverse back a few feet --

comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 28 minutes ago
It is funny that Rosberg according to some on here is praised for mental toughness but the same posters say on a hot lap or a race this toughness suddenly disappears bt he gains from the resulting antics.

I swear you could not make it up
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mental toughness means refraining from blubbering and moaning about a fellow driver at every opportunity and moping about on the podiums with a face like a busted toilet when he gets beaten

--------- basically it means not acting like a 30 yr old petulant child that has just lost his little bag of liquorice allsorts everytime he gets beaten in qual or the race

Did you read that excerpt from the Independent I posted. The flags came out BECAUSE he was reversing towards the track. How the hell would you know they were coming out anyway. Do you have an informant from the Stewards / FIA?
If they were coming out anyway they would have come out as soon as he went into the escape road.

Rosberg blubs, Vettel blubs, Alonso blubs. Why are you just picking on Hamilton? It just proves your biased attitude.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 17 minutes ago
Did you read that excerpt from the Independent I posted. The flags came out BECAUSE he was reversing towards the track. How the hell would you know they were coming out anyway. Do you have an informant from the Stewards / FIA?
If they were coming out anyway they would have come out as soon as he went into the escape road.

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sorry go cell i dont believe they came out just because he reversed a few feet if indeed that is what he did , to be honest i need to see the footage to ascertain exactly what he did do when he parked it down the escape road -
------ think about it logically what difference would it have made if he backed up the car or few feet or not , he was still in a very dangerous position whether or not the car was right at the bottom of the escape road or a few feet away from the bottom -
--------- if another car came barreling down there at mach 10 it was still going to have hit the merc regardless of its position in the escape road
----------- hence the need for the yellow flags to come out in the first place

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 24 minutes ago
Rosberg blubs, Vettel blubs, Alonso blubs. Why are you just picking on Hamilton? It just proves your biased attitude.
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no -------- hamilton does it more than most , in fact he does it more than nigel mansell ever did and that is saying something --

I was right martial, English is not your first language becase you do not know what mental toughness means.

Keep on, keeping on

Logical or not I was only going on what was reported both in the Independent and on BBC and SKY at the time. If I am wrong and you can prove I am I will gladly apologise. Till then.....

Alonso moaned in nearly every race when he first went to Ferrari. He was always complaining about other drivers. But lets be honest we tend to hear what the TV producers want us to hear. Normally the top five or six. So how do you know others don't moan as much. Just your biased dislike of Hamilton.

The only F1 drivers on the grid who I have not heard moan are RIcciardo and Kimi, the rest of them moan and whine. Alonso being a whiner extraordinaire.

I remember a particular race he was so upset he said no more radio. Even Montizemolo had to tell him to stop whining at a point.

Selective bias, beautiful ain't it

And as for (latterly) fat boy Mansell, they didn't have any pit to driver communication other than the pit board. And why don't you listen to the BBC post qualifying interview with Hamilton at Monaco. Can you hear any moaning. No. If there was ever a reason to moan that was it.

Well said MUDD.

By the way, I only called Mansell fat boy because he couldn't fit into the Mclaren when he came back from Indycar.

Mate it is always selective when it comes to Hamilton. It is so laughably ridiculous, I always laugh at them when they do it.

You can bet your bottom dollar if Hamilton had hit Rosberg, martial and hobo's views will include insults about his intelligence and stupid driving.

How can one engage with such ridiculous views?

comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I was right martial, English is not your first language becase you do not know what mental toughness means.

Keep on, keeping on
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i know what it does"nt mean manx and clearly some drivers are lacking -
---------- call me old fashioned but i have always been a little dubious of any grown man of 30 and his character that wears dingly dangly spingly spangly earings in both lug holes

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 53 minutes ago
Logical or not I was only going on what was reported both in the Independent and on BBC and SKY at the time. If I am wrong and you can prove I am I will gladly apologise. Till then.....
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so you say --- strange there is no reported footage to show exactly who said what and when
-------- but never mind -

as i said it stands to reason that the safety car was going to come out whatever the position of the merc was in the escape road ,
just because he may or may not have reversed a few feet would not have stopped another car from smashing into the merc had another car gone down there at speed --

comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I was right martial, English is not your first language becase you do not know what mental toughness means.

Keep on, keeping on
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i know what it does"nt mean manx and clearly some drivers are lacking -
---------- call me old fashioned but i have always been a little dubious of any grown man of 30 and his character that wears dingly dangly spingly spangly earings in both lug holes
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Hamilton is 29 and what people decide to put in their lug holes has nothing to do with mental toughness.